Netanyahu causes uproar by linking Palestinians to Holocaust

[Phoenall]

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose

You asked me specific questions and I gave answers.

Did the Mufti encourage Hitler in the final solution? I'm saying unknown because I don't know what transpired between them. What I DO know, based on what historians have written, is that Hitler was already applying the final solution before he ever met the Mufti. The Mufti might have encouraged him but it made no difference - he was already doing it.

If you were asking if the Mufti supported the final solution? I would say yes - it's quite clear he wanted Jews killed and was willing to do it for Hitler.

Do you believe they discussed it? I put unknown, but you are right they would have discussed it.

Do you believe the Mufti wanted the Jews dead before Hitler? I put unknown because I did not know.

I'm not saying they never spoke of killing Jews - that is a big difference from saying the Mufti gave Hitler the idea and that Hitler was only innocently going to deport them prior to the Mufti. That is not supported by evidence and that is where Netanyahu's statements fall apart.

Nothing innocent about Hitler, but persecution, killing an arrests came prior to the final solution. After the mufti, there were written plans not just of the camps but for the building of the chambers and oven that would be active in the final solution holocaust. Hitler had not problem killing jew, but to burn in mass numbers leading to the death of 6 million was not part of his original plan.
Hitler had not plans for the middle east other than to keep the british frustrated by the arabs.
Mufti had been calling for the extermination of jews before hitler. Mufti was even by german accounts active in the planning of the extermination.
Just because the mufti suggested or instigated or just encouraged, he was an avid supporter of the death camps. Plans were put in place or accelerated after the mufti's face to face. Mufti carried on what hitler began even after the nazi surrender. They were both guilty, very guilty.

The same rhetoric begun by the mufti was used in Germany and still used by Palestinians. It goes full circle. The same calls for the total extermination of jews were ever they are found, not just in Palestine or Germany. Same calls that are coming from Iran and threatening Israel today.

It is all woven together with the same goal, another holocaust of jews, and in some cases of Christian as well.

Mufti is far from innocent in the planning of the final solution and just become the mufti want the jews dead and not deported does not absolve hitler of any guild what so ever. Same target, same goal, and same cremation, same solution. Hitler, Mufti, Himmler and the others were all part of the formal plans begin in Dec of '41. It was a collaborative effort.

Arafat, hamas and other carry on the same desire for not just the killing of jews but the extermination. You can't take the mufti out of the equation, and including the mufti in no way absolves hitler or the nazis. It just gives a clearer picture of event today.

The question everyone should be considering is how to break the cycle, not excuse it or justify it. How to teach people to end the anti-Semitism and accept them as humans with ties to the land no less than the claims the Palestinians want. How to get each a sense of security and get them each to make compromises that will lead to an agreement and future cooperation between the two groups. First decide who actually has a right to speak for the Palestinians. Can't have twenty groups each with the own very different demands. They also have to agree to recognize Israel and willingness to talk to them.

Jews are not demons, devils, pig, monsters, parasites or mass murders. Palestinians have to stop thinking in terms of wipe Israel and the jews off the face of the earth. Children are taught words don't hurt, but in the middle east calls for violence and kills do. Get the Palestinians to stop teaching every child that can walk how to kill jews, by any means.

Till you can un-teach the lessons of hitler and the mufti, you can't end the fear the jews have for their very existence.

Almost no historians lay the Final Solution at the Mufti's feet and that is what Netanyahu's statement does and by implication - tars all Palestinians as people that can never be negotiated with and can only be exterminated. There is plenty of hatred towards the Palestinians and Arabs from the Jews. It is taught. It is encouraged - perhaps not to the degree it is among the Palestinians, who are also living under an Occupation which I am sure colors their perception of the Jews, but it is there and statements like that of Netanyahu - the country's leader - validate that. How responsible is that? Is he any different from the Palestinian leaders? No.

Jews are not demons, devils, pigs, monsters, parasites or mass murderers. Neither are Palestinians.

What you mean is that none of the historians you are prepared to read place partial blame on the mufti for his part in the final solution. As that is what was actually said, not as you claim that the mufti was the one who issued the command to "KILL THE JEWS"

 

[Phoenall]

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose
Rashid 'Ali al-Kailani and Fawzi al-Qawuqji we just as ignorant of the jewish fate as the mufti? Hitler used them and they used hitler against the allies and against the jews.


Jewish conspiracy, world Jewry, jewish seizure of all Arab lands, enslave and exploit Arabs, corrupting the moral fabric of society, immutable characteristics and behaviors, infectious disease, microbes or bacilli, kill Jews wherever found,"removing" all the jews from the earth, the common interests of Germany and Italy with those of Arabs and Muslims. Nazi Germany was the natural ally of the Arab and Muslim world, Germany alone recognized the global threat of the "Jewish problem" and took steps to "solve" it globally...................... Not exactly bothers of the book or an ofter to share mint tea and honey cakes. Hitler is burning down synagogues and lets the mufti build an Islamic center in Berlin months after their first face to face.

Why do you thing the mufti was such a wanted man after the nazi surrender? Someone so well know using fake papers till he made it to cairo, even then they ended kicking him to the curb.

But the mufti and hitler did never collude in exterminating jews in europe or the middle east? Like hiter and mussolini never colluded either? Hitler had a better knack for organization but the anti-Semitism and desire for extermination was mutal.
But that was just coincidence as well?

>>During the Nuremberg Trials that followed World War II, Dieter Wisliceny, a deputy of Adolph Eichmann, described the Mufti as one of Eichmann’s closest confidants: “The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry...and had been the permanent collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan. According to my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who had been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews. He had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities...the extermination of European Jewry. He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures.” When Eichmann was captured and tried in Israel in 1961, Golda Meir called for Al Husseini to be tried, as well.<<



another book for you
Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam By David G. Dalin, John F. Rothmann, Alan M. Dershowitz

Most of this is complete fabrication, and anything Dershowitz is involved with, doubly so.

The trial was not dubious or fabricated and states the Mufti was the "initiator" of the extermination.

Th mufti's radio broadcasts from Berlin or his sermons and speeches in arab radio are not in doubt

Dotan Valley, near Nablus where the mufti planned his "crematoriums of the Auschwitz kind, to which the Jews of the Land of Israel as well as the Jews of Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, and even North Africa would be brought, so as to annihilate them with the methods used by the SS in the death camps of Europe"
Haviv Canaan, “Hamufti Tichnen Misrafot l’Yehudim b’Emek Dotan”

But any book, document or evidence be it in English, German, French or Hebrew is suspect to you? Even the Arabic broadcasts by the mufti are somehow fabricated?

The same things the mufti said were repeated time an again by Arafat

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You can't absolve the mufti or Arafat from the killing of all the jews "wherever you find them" then or now.

Are all these historians wrong? Are they lying?

Ir.

They are people with an agenda.

Netanyahu was spot on and he made a great point.

The arabs wanted to destroy Israel before Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza from Jordan and Egypt.

They wanted to destroy Israel when Israel was just a little sliver of land when it declared a state.

The arabs wanted to kill all the Jews before there was even an Israeli state in 1948.

This isn't a political war this is a religious one.

The arabs want to kill all the Jews because they exist.

No. Otherwise they'd be killing them all over the world. The war is a political one stemming from the founding of Israel and Arab nationalism. To say otherwise is to ignore history and white wash Israel's own contributions to the conflict.

Before Israel was a state - before the rise of Zionism, Jews and Arabs got along as well as any mixed religious group.

They are killing them all over the world, which is why the numbers are dropping in so many nations. The increasing numbers of hate crimes against the Jews are as a result of increased muslim migration as they parallel each other.
Before Israel was a state the muslims often went on murderfests to decimate the numbers of Christians and Jews in the M.E and Africa and these are well documented and have been produced on here, and still you deny the truth.

 

[Phoenall]

The Mufti wanted the Zionist invasion of Palestine to cease. As far as Zionist invaders being attacked by the Christians and Muslims, of course, foreign invaders are normally attacked by the native people being invaded.

What about the Christian invasion then, as the arab muslims have also ethnically cleansed 90% of them from Palestine in the last 10 years. Cant have been Israel as they would have also cleansed 90% of the arab muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

The mufti wanted all Jews dead.

The fact is that mo'mad wanted all the Jews dead and made it a religious command

 

[Phoenall]

On what planet were they getting along before Israel became a state?

As Netanyahu said the mufti wanted the Jews exterminated and they were consistently attacked by Arabs.

How did Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel divide Jews and Muslims?

In Europe in the 19th century, Jews, faced with a new form of racial and political anti-Semitism (building on the older, religiously-based anti-Semitism), sought solutions to what was called “the Jewish problem.” Zionism, as a means of escaping anti-Semitism, was one of the proposed remedies. The idea of a Jewish state in Palestine was one of several factors driving a wedge between Muslims and Jews in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, as Arabs, too, began to be imbued with the nationalist spirit. European-style anti-Semitism, a phenomenon imported from the Christian West, combined with Muslim anti-Zionism to erode whatever remained of the age-old coexistence of Jews and Muslims, even though Zionism, in its political form, was essentially a European-Jewish phenomenon and not deeply entrenched in the belief system of the Jews of the Arab world.

- See more at: Mark R. Cohen on ‘A History of Jewish-Muslim Relations’ (Book Q & A) : ISLAMiCommentary

You do realise that you have linked to a purely Islamic propaganda site that will of course push Islamic propaganda and ignore the truth. Here is a map showing just a few of the massacres of Jews by muslims since 11C

 

[Challenger]

The mufti wanted all Jews dead.

Prove it.

 

[Challenger]

nd yet there are scores of book in various languages, some in print others would be out of print by now, that very much do lay shared responsibility at the mufti's feet, even text of the mufti's own words.

Really? Care to share? Most biographies of the Mufti have been written by Zionists, determined to make a perpetual bogey man of him to demonise Palestinians. Those written by Muslims tend to take the opposite course and deify him as a saintly patriot, valiantly defending his homeland against the evil Jewish invader. Both are politically motivated, primarily because despite some appalling decisions, seen with hindsight, he is still seen as a hero to most Palestinians.

If the Mufti was as bad as he's painted, all Zionist Israel has to do is publish the Mufti's archive, which was stolen by Phalangists from the Mufti's Beirut home and transported to Israel, that will settle the matter once and for all, wouldn't it?

 

[Phoenall]

The mufti wanted all Jews dead.

Prove it.

Read the koran for starters, and then read the hadiths for clarification on what is meant by kill the unbeliever

 

[Coyote]

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose

You asked me specific questions and I gave answers.

Did the Mufti encourage Hitler in the final solution? I'm saying unknown because I don't know what transpired between them. What I DO know, based on what historians have written, is that Hitler was already applying the final solution before he ever met the Mufti. The Mufti might have encouraged him but it made no difference - he was already doing it.

If you were asking if the Mufti supported the final solution? I would say yes - it's quite clear he wanted Jews killed and was willing to do it for Hitler.

Do you believe they discussed it? I put unknown, but you are right they would have discussed it.

Do you believe the Mufti wanted the Jews dead before Hitler? I put unknown because I did not know.

I'm not saying they never spoke of killing Jews - that is a big difference from saying the Mufti gave Hitler the idea and that Hitler was only innocently going to deport them prior to the Mufti. That is not supported by evidence and that is where Netanyahu's statements fall apart.

Nothing innocent about Hitler, but persecution, killing an arrests came prior to the final solution. After the mufti, there were written plans not just of the camps but for the building of the chambers and oven that would be active in the final solution holocaust. Hitler had not problem killing jew, but to burn in mass numbers leading to the death of 6 million was not part of his original plan.
Hitler had not plans for the middle east other than to keep the british frustrated by the arabs.
Mufti had been calling for the extermination of jews before hitler. Mufti was even by german accounts active in the planning of the extermination.
Just because the mufti suggested or instigated or just encouraged, he was an avid supporter of the death camps. Plans were put in place or accelerated after the mufti's face to face. Mufti carried on what hitler began even after the nazi surrender. They were both guilty, very guilty.

The same rhetoric begun by the mufti was used in Germany and still used by Palestinians. It goes full circle. The same calls for the total extermination of jews were ever they are found, not just in Palestine or Germany. Same calls that are coming from Iran and threatening Israel today.

It is all woven together with the same goal, another holocaust of jews, and in some cases of Christian as well.

Mufti is far from innocent in the planning of the final solution and just become the mufti want the jews dead and not deported does not absolve hitler of any guild what so ever. Same target, same goal, and same cremation, same solution. Hitler, Mufti, Himmler and the others were all part of the formal plans begin in Dec of '41. It was a collaborative effort.

Arafat, hamas and other carry on the same desire for not just the killing of jews but the extermination. You can't take the mufti out of the equation, and including the mufti in no way absolves hitler or the nazis. It just gives a clearer picture of event today.

The question everyone should be considering is how to break the cycle, not excuse it or justify it. How to teach people to end the anti-Semitism and accept them as humans with ties to the land no less than the claims the Palestinians want. How to get each a sense of security and get them each to make compromises that will lead to an agreement and future cooperation between the two groups. First decide who actually has a right to speak for the Palestinians. Can't have twenty groups each with the own very different demands. They also have to agree to recognize Israel and willingness to talk to them.

Jews are not demons, devils, pig, monsters, parasites or mass murders. Palestinians have to stop thinking in terms of wipe Israel and the jews off the face of the earth. Children are taught words don't hurt, but in the middle east calls for violence and kills do. Get the Palestinians to stop teaching every child that can walk how to kill jews, by any means.

Till you can un-teach the lessons of hitler and the mufti, you can't end the fear the jews have for their very existence.

Almost no historians lay the Final Solution at the Mufti's feet and that is what Netanyahu's statement does and by implication - tars all Palestinians as people that can never be negotiated with and can only be exterminated. There is plenty of hatred towards the Palestinians and Arabs from the Jews. It is taught. It is encouraged - perhaps not to the degree it is among the Palestinians, who are also living under an Occupation which I am sure colors their perception of the Jews, but it is there and statements like that of Netanyahu - the country's leader - validate that. How responsible is that? Is he any different from the Palestinian leaders? No.

Jews are not demons, devils, pigs, monsters, parasites or mass murderers. Neither are Palestinians.

and yet there are scores of book in various languages, some in print others would be out of print by now, that very much do lay shared responsibility at the mufti's feet, even text of the mufti's own words.

Not all historians published I the last ten years or choose to soften history and its consequences today for "political correctness" (gad I'm getting sick of PC)

Jordan and Syrian, even Palestinians, had no problem with the Mufti's nazi connection or his plans to carry on the extermination. Why are westerners so touchy about it? Political charters still advocate the extermination. Modern broadcast is full of arab and muslims parroting hiter and the mufti.

Arafat's devotion to his uncle was never hidden or minimized. Why do people want to whitewash the mufti after so long? Check the streets of gaza or any moderate town and they will have pamphlets and tapes of the mufti's sermons and speeches and broadcasts. Probably right next to mien kamph, PoEZ and the little green book.

If Palestinians wanted to clean up their image, they would denounce violence and stop calling for the death of all jews and paying murders like war heroes.

I think accusing historians - well established and respected historians of "political correctness" is a cheap shot frankly. We're not talking about new revionists - altering history in the face of "political correctness" which is a modern phenomenum. In fact, the few historians who are trying to make the case that the Mufti surpassed or even equalled Hitler are products of a new "revisionist" trend.

It's not being "touchy" it's being honest, and it's calling Netanyahu out for spreading his own side's distorted message of hate. You'll call out the Palestinian leadership but never the Israeli's?

 

[Coyote]

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose

You asked me specific questions and I gave answers.

Did the Mufti encourage Hitler in the final solution? I'm saying unknown because I don't know what transpired between them. What I DO know, based on what historians have written, is that Hitler was already applying the final solution before he ever met the Mufti. The Mufti might have encouraged him but it made no difference - he was already doing it.

If you were asking if the Mufti supported the final solution? I would say yes - it's quite clear he wanted Jews killed and was willing to do it for Hitler.

Do you believe they discussed it? I put unknown, but you are right they would have discussed it.

Do you believe the Mufti wanted the Jews dead before Hitler? I put unknown because I did not know.

I'm not saying they never spoke of killing Jews - that is a big difference from saying the Mufti gave Hitler the idea and that Hitler was only innocently going to deport them prior to the Mufti. That is not supported by evidence and that is where Netanyahu's statements fall apart.

Nothing innocent about Hitler, but persecution, killing an arrests came prior to the final solution. After the mufti, there were written plans not just of the camps but for the building of the chambers and oven that would be active in the final solution holocaust. Hitler had not problem killing jew, but to burn in mass numbers leading to the death of 6 million was not part of his original plan.
Hitler had not plans for the middle east other than to keep the british frustrated by the arabs.
Mufti had been calling for the extermination of jews before hitler. Mufti was even by german accounts active in the planning of the extermination.
Just because the mufti suggested or instigated or just encouraged, he was an avid supporter of the death camps. Plans were put in place or accelerated after the mufti's face to face. Mufti carried on what hitler began even after the nazi surrender. They were both guilty, very guilty.

The same rhetoric begun by the mufti was used in Germany and still used by Palestinians. It goes full circle. The same calls for the total extermination of jews were ever they are found, not just in Palestine or Germany. Same calls that are coming from Iran and threatening Israel today.

It is all woven together with the same goal, another holocaust of jews, and in some cases of Christian as well.

Mufti is far from innocent in the planning of the final solution and just become the mufti want the jews dead and not deported does not absolve hitler of any guild what so ever. Same target, same goal, and same cremation, same solution. Hitler, Mufti, Himmler and the others were all part of the formal plans begin in Dec of '41. It was a collaborative effort.

Arafat, hamas and other carry on the same desire for not just the killing of jews but the extermination. You can't take the mufti out of the equation, and including the mufti in no way absolves hitler or the nazis. It just gives a clearer picture of event today.

The question everyone should be considering is how to break the cycle, not excuse it or justify it. How to teach people to end the anti-Semitism and accept them as humans with ties to the land no less than the claims the Palestinians want. How to get each a sense of security and get them each to make compromises that will lead to an agreement and future cooperation between the two groups. First decide who actually has a right to speak for the Palestinians. Can't have twenty groups each with the own very different demands. They also have to agree to recognize Israel and willingness to talk to them.

Jews are not demons, devils, pig, monsters, parasites or mass murders. Palestinians have to stop thinking in terms of wipe Israel and the jews off the face of the earth. Children are taught words don't hurt, but in the middle east calls for violence and kills do. Get the Palestinians to stop teaching every child that can walk how to kill jews, by any means.

Till you can un-teach the lessons of hitler and the mufti, you can't end the fear the jews have for their very existence.

Almost no historians lay the Final Solution at the Mufti's feet and that is what Netanyahu's statement does and by implication - tars all Palestinians as people that can never be negotiated with and can only be exterminated. There is plenty of hatred towards the Palestinians and Arabs from the Jews. It is taught. It is encouraged - perhaps not to the degree it is among the Palestinians, who are also living under an Occupation which I am sure colors their perception of the Jews, but it is there and statements like that of Netanyahu - the country's leader - validate that. How responsible is that? Is he any different from the Palestinian leaders? No.

Jews are not demons, devils, pigs, monsters, parasites or mass murderers. Neither are Palestinians.

Then you have read a different report to the rest of us as we see it as the mufti being placed on an equal footing with Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Bormann, Hess and Speer and many others. If it was a Jew that was being reported in this way you would be all for him and the rest of the Jews being branded as mass murderers wouldn't you.

Himmler, Goering etc are not on equal footing with Hitler but even they were bigger figures than the Mufti. I read reports by reputable historians.

And your only response is that criticism of Netanyahu is "it's da JOoooooooooos"? Get over it. They aren't any more angelic or demonic than the rest of us

 

[Indeependent]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

 

[montelatici]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

Israeli Jews as neighbors? Of course not.

 

[Indeependent]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

Israeli Jews as neighbors? Of course not.

Most people are terrified by Jews.

 

[montelatici]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

Israeli Jews as neighbors? Of course not.

Most people are terrified by Jews.

If you happen to live close to them, are unarmed and they have tanks and F16s known to bomb schools and murder 100s of children at a time you would be afraid too.

 

[Indeependent]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

Israeli Jews as neighbors? Of course not.

Most people are terrified by Jews.

If you happen to live close to them, are unarmed and they have tanks and F16s known to bomb schools and murder 100s of children at a time you would be afraid too.

Especially when your "brothers" won't lift a hand to help you because they're too busy murdering each other AND closing their borders in your face.

Your turn.

 

[montelatici]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

Israeli Jews as neighbors? Of course not.

Most people are terrified by Jews.

If you happen to live close to them, are unarmed and they have tanks and F16s known to bomb schools and murder 100s of children at a time you would be afraid too.

Especially when your "brothers" won't lift a hand to help you because they're too busy murdering each other AND closing their borders in your face.

Your turn.

Europeans don't murder each other anymore and their Governments (if not the people) and Americans support Israel, so there is no one with the requisite armed force to help the Palestinians. So the Israeli Jews are able to continue their wanton murdering of Christian and Muslim children..

 

[Phoenall]

do you believe the mufti encourage hitler and the final solution? (unknown?)
What of all the broadcasts made by the mufti? What of being paid in gold to carry on the final solution in the middle east?

do you believe they discussed it? (unknown?)
Why would hitler pay the mufti to kill jews if it was never discussed? Why was the mufti giving orders to his muslim SS troops if it was not discussed? And the Bosnian death camps under the mufti's SS? Just a potatoes farm?

do you believe the mufti want the jews dead before hitler?
He ordered the killing of jews back in the '20s. He preaching the killing in the mosque and on radio.

They both wanted the jews dead but they never spoke of their vision of a jew free world? Never mentioned it would be better to kill the jews instead? Never spoke of how to kill so many jews?
I'm sure you are smarter than that. You believe the change came by coincidence right after meeting the mufti? Something so critical to them both?
I suppose

You asked me specific questions and I gave answers.

Did the Mufti encourage Hitler in the final solution? I'm saying unknown because I don't know what transpired between them. What I DO know, based on what historians have written, is that Hitler was already applying the final solution before he ever met the Mufti. The Mufti might have encouraged him but it made no difference - he was already doing it.

If you were asking if the Mufti supported the final solution? I would say yes - it's quite clear he wanted Jews killed and was willing to do it for Hitler.

Do you believe they discussed it? I put unknown, but you are right they would have discussed it.

Do you believe the Mufti wanted the Jews dead before Hitler? I put unknown because I did not know.

I'm not saying they never spoke of killing Jews - that is a big difference from saying the Mufti gave Hitler the idea and that Hitler was only innocently going to deport them prior to the Mufti. That is not supported by evidence and that is where Netanyahu's statements fall apart.

Nothing innocent about Hitler, but persecution, killing an arrests came prior to the final solution. After the mufti, there were written plans not just of the camps but for the building of the chambers and oven that would be active in the final solution holocaust. Hitler had not problem killing jew, but to burn in mass numbers leading to the death of 6 million was not part of his original plan.
Hitler had not plans for the middle east other than to keep the british frustrated by the arabs.
Mufti had been calling for the extermination of jews before hitler. Mufti was even by german accounts active in the planning of the extermination.
Just because the mufti suggested or instigated or just encouraged, he was an avid supporter of the death camps. Plans were put in place or accelerated after the mufti's face to face. Mufti carried on what hitler began even after the nazi surrender. They were both guilty, very guilty.

The same rhetoric begun by the mufti was used in Germany and still used by Palestinians. It goes full circle. The same calls for the total extermination of jews were ever they are found, not just in Palestine or Germany. Same calls that are coming from Iran and threatening Israel today.

It is all woven together with the same goal, another holocaust of jews, and in some cases of Christian as well.

Mufti is far from innocent in the planning of the final solution and just become the mufti want the jews dead and not deported does not absolve hitler of any guild what so ever. Same target, same goal, and same cremation, same solution. Hitler, Mufti, Himmler and the others were all part of the formal plans begin in Dec of '41. It was a collaborative effort.

Arafat, hamas and other carry on the same desire for not just the killing of jews but the extermination. You can't take the mufti out of the equation, and including the mufti in no way absolves hitler or the nazis. It just gives a clearer picture of event today.

The question everyone should be considering is how to break the cycle, not excuse it or justify it. How to teach people to end the anti-Semitism and accept them as humans with ties to the land no less than the claims the Palestinians want. How to get each a sense of security and get them each to make compromises that will lead to an agreement and future cooperation between the two groups. First decide who actually has a right to speak for the Palestinians. Can't have twenty groups each with the own very different demands. They also have to agree to recognize Israel and willingness to talk to them.

Jews are not demons, devils, pig, monsters, parasites or mass murders. Palestinians have to stop thinking in terms of wipe Israel and the jews off the face of the earth. Children are taught words don't hurt, but in the middle east calls for violence and kills do. Get the Palestinians to stop teaching every child that can walk how to kill jews, by any means.

Till you can un-teach the lessons of hitler and the mufti, you can't end the fear the jews have for their very existence.

Almost no historians lay the Final Solution at the Mufti's feet and that is what Netanyahu's statement does and by implication - tars all Palestinians as people that can never be negotiated with and can only be exterminated. There is plenty of hatred towards the Palestinians and Arabs from the Jews. It is taught. It is encouraged - perhaps not to the degree it is among the Palestinians, who are also living under an Occupation which I am sure colors their perception of the Jews, but it is there and statements like that of Netanyahu - the country's leader - validate that. How responsible is that? Is he any different from the Palestinian leaders? No.

Jews are not demons, devils, pigs, monsters, parasites or mass murderers. Neither are Palestinians.

Then you have read a different report to the rest of us as we see it as the mufti being placed on an equal footing with Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Bormann, Hess and Speer and many others. If it was a Jew that was being reported in this way you would be all for him and the rest of the Jews being branded as mass murderers wouldn't you.

Himmler, Goering etc are not on equal footing with Hitler but even they were bigger figures than the Mufti. I read reports by reputable historians.

And your only response is that criticism of Netanyahu is "it's da JOoooooooooos"? Get over it. They aren't any more angelic or demonic than the rest of us

I never say " its da joooos" as I find it degrading and racist. It was the allies that refused to act against the Mufti and until the documents are released we will never know why. My personal view is he had something on the allies that could bring down nations to this day and open up cans of worms that the governments cant have made public knowledge

 

[Roudy]

Don't **** with Israelis, they will have nothing to do with you. Israelis don't joke around, nor do they ask permission for protecting their people.

 

[Phoenall]

Don't we all want to have serial killers as neighbors?

Israeli Jews as neighbors? Of course not.

Most people are terrified by Jews.

If you happen to live close to them, are unarmed and they have tanks and F16s known to bomb schools and murder 100s of children at a time you would be afraid too.

Especially when your "brothers" won't lift a hand to help you because they're too busy murdering each other AND closing their borders in your face.

Your turn.

Europeans don't murder each other anymore and their Governments (if not the people) and Americans support Israel, so there is no one with the requisite armed force to help the Palestinians. So the Israeli Jews are able to continue their wanton murdering of Christian and Muslim children..

Arab league with over 1 million armed services and state of the art weapons systems

 

[Coyote]

You asked me specific questions and I gave answers.

Did the Mufti encourage Hitler in the final solution? I'm saying unknown because I don't know what transpired between them. What I DO know, based on what historians have written, is that Hitler was already applying the final solution before he ever met the Mufti. The Mufti might have encouraged him but it made no difference - he was already doing it.

If you were asking if the Mufti supported the final solution? I would say yes - it's quite clear he wanted Jews killed and was willing to do it for Hitler.

Do you believe they discussed it? I put unknown, but you are right they would have discussed it.

Do you believe the Mufti wanted the Jews dead before Hitler? I put unknown because I did not know.

I'm not saying they never spoke of killing Jews - that is a big difference from saying the Mufti gave Hitler the idea and that Hitler was only innocently going to deport them prior to the Mufti. That is not supported by evidence and that is where Netanyahu's statements fall apart.

Nothing innocent about Hitler, but persecution, killing an arrests came prior to the final solution. After the mufti, there were written plans not just of the camps but for the building of the chambers and oven that would be active in the final solution holocaust. Hitler had not problem killing jew, but to burn in mass numbers leading to the death of 6 million was not part of his original plan.
Hitler had not plans for the middle east other than to keep the british frustrated by the arabs.
Mufti had been calling for the extermination of jews before hitler. Mufti was even by german accounts active in the planning of the extermination.
Just because the mufti suggested or instigated or just encouraged, he was an avid supporter of the death camps. Plans were put in place or accelerated after the mufti's face to face. Mufti carried on what hitler began even after the nazi surrender. They were both guilty, very guilty.

The same rhetoric begun by the mufti was used in Germany and still used by Palestinians. It goes full circle. The same calls for the total extermination of jews were ever they are found, not just in Palestine or Germany. Same calls that are coming from Iran and threatening Israel today.

It is all woven together with the same goal, another holocaust of jews, and in some cases of Christian as well.

Mufti is far from innocent in the planning of the final solution and just become the mufti want the jews dead and not deported does not absolve hitler of any guild what so ever. Same target, same goal, and same cremation, same solution. Hitler, Mufti, Himmler and the others were all part of the formal plans begin in Dec of '41. It was a collaborative effort.

Arafat, hamas and other carry on the same desire for not just the killing of jews but the extermination. You can't take the mufti out of the equation, and including the mufti in no way absolves hitler or the nazis. It just gives a clearer picture of event today.

The question everyone should be considering is how to break the cycle, not excuse it or justify it. How to teach people to end the anti-Semitism and accept them as humans with ties to the land no less than the claims the Palestinians want. How to get each a sense of security and get them each to make compromises that will lead to an agreement and future cooperation between the two groups. First decide who actually has a right to speak for the Palestinians. Can't have twenty groups each with the own very different demands. They also have to agree to recognize Israel and willingness to talk to them.

Jews are not demons, devils, pig, monsters, parasites or mass murders. Palestinians have to stop thinking in terms of wipe Israel and the jews off the face of the earth. Children are taught words don't hurt, but in the middle east calls for violence and kills do. Get the Palestinians to stop teaching every child that can walk how to kill jews, by any means.

Till you can un-teach the lessons of hitler and the mufti, you can't end the fear the jews have for their very existence.

Almost no historians lay the Final Solution at the Mufti's feet and that is what Netanyahu's statement does and by implication - tars all Palestinians as people that can never be negotiated with and can only be exterminated. There is plenty of hatred towards the Palestinians and Arabs from the Jews. It is taught. It is encouraged - perhaps not to the degree it is among the Palestinians, who are also living under an Occupation which I am sure colors their perception of the Jews, but it is there and statements like that of Netanyahu - the country's leader - validate that. How responsible is that? Is he any different from the Palestinian leaders? No.

Jews are not demons, devils, pigs, monsters, parasites or mass murderers. Neither are Palestinians.

Then you have read a different report to the rest of us as we see it as the mufti being placed on an equal footing with Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Bormann, Hess and Speer and many others. If it was a Jew that was being reported in this way you would be all for him and the rest of the Jews being branded as mass murderers wouldn't you.

Himmler, Goering etc are not on equal footing with Hitler but even they were bigger figures than the Mufti. I read reports by reputable historians.

And your only response is that criticism of Netanyahu is "it's da JOoooooooooos"? Get over it. They aren't any more angelic or demonic than the rest of us

I never say " its da joooos" as I find it degrading and racist. It was the allies that refused to act against the Mufti and until the documents are released we will never know why. My personal view is he had something on the allies that could bring down nations to this day and open up cans of worms that the governments cant have made public knowledge

I'll stick to known historical accounts.