Necessary Lies

[ColonelAngus]

You guys think the Pennsylvania voters will believe that Biden wont hurt the natural gas industry?

 

[postman]

This article says 13%. You are off by almost 200%.

Biden's federal fracking ban prompts warnings from big energy

Biden's fracking ban could erase decades of U.S. energy progress.

www.foxbusiness.com

Do you really want to quibble about percentages by posting from Fox News as a source? I've seen estimates of from 3 - 11%.

 

[Gdjjr]

They are in many cases.

They are in all cases. That you disagree with someone else's principles is immaterial. If they act on a belief they acted on their principle- principle is defined by the user- not the observer. The observer can, and usually is, affected by anothers principle(s), especially politically, but that doesn't change the definer or his principle or his or your opinion of what is what- it is what it is-

principle: a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

Now, one can question "truth", but since truth is constant and knowledge evolves what exactly is the user of a principles truth? Was it true yesterday? Is it true today? Will it be true tomorrow? If it doesn't meet that criteria it is simple knowledge based belief, which is subject to change with an evolution of the knowledge used.

To go further and deeper- reason(ing) is a sound explanation for- whatever.
Excuse is an attempt to justify- whatever.

A users "reasoning" is affected and effected by knowledge- knowledge evolves. Therefore, if a principle is based on knowledge and held as a belief, that is a shaky and shifting "foundation", which, at some point, will leave the "principled" person adrift in a sea not of his conscious choosing- "his" being key, not your opinion.

 

[ColonelAngus]

This article says 13%. You are off by almost 200%.

Biden's federal fracking ban prompts warnings from big energy

Biden's fracking ban could erase decades of U.S. energy progress.

www.foxbusiness.com

Do you really want to quibble about percentages by posting from Fox News as a source? I've seen estimates of from 3 - 11%.

FoxBusiness. I also linked to WAPO. WHY DIDNT YOU MENTION THAT? WAPO ISNT LEFT WING ENOUGH FOR YOU.

Hey, if you claim it wont hurt Biden in PA, I believe you.

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

1. There is the belief that the one person you cannot lie to is yourself. That’s a lie. The greatest ability we humans have is the ability to rationalize the correctness of any view that benefits us. Rationalize is a lying term for lie.

If it were not the case, there would be far, far fewer Democrats.



2. The following is a distillation of both the Democrat Debates, and of news headlines:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,
socialism,
infanticide,
opposition to free speech,
substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,
support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,
and anti-Semitism… it is the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

But no thinking, self-respecting individual will admit to himself that that is what he will vote for. Hence, the affectation: necessary lies.



3. First, a lie of omission: pretend not to recognize, realize, that that is the Democrat agenda, and what you support. When it is brought up, as I do at every opportunity, there is the sort of Democrat who will simply ignore the reference and move on.


4. The second sort of reprobate will admonish the one who brings it up….not denying any of it….merely admonishing not to mention the incriminations. This:

“Since Trump is going to need democrat votes, please keep calling them dumb. The more insulting, the better. Let's hear it.” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals
See that.....you are making the mistake if you bring it up, not the evil inherent in the agenda itself.
More twists in that lie than in Nadia Comaneci's floor routine!



5. But, of course, the most common response, due to the lack of character and integrity of the sort who support Democrats, is to outright lie.

“And then the infantacide referring to the comments made by the Gov of Virginia who was discussiung babies born with zero hope of survival..” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals

Not unexpected, either, is the indication one gets based on the spelling. We have all seen how truly dumb so many Democrats are.

And just to spotlight what a lie that is, any murder of babies is part of the Democrat doctrine, here is the actual quote:
In an interview on WTOP, a Washington D.C. radio station, [Democrat] Northam said, “So in this particular example if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” The “discussion” refers to ending the baby’s life or not, even though it had been born — another radical step to the left.

... Roman parents would kill the child as a form of birth control. What Northam said is no different than what the evil Roman empire would do to newly-born children. "
The Modern-Day Democratic Party Treats The Unborn The Same Way The Roman Empire Did


For Democrats, any child is eligible for this….’consideration'....infanticide.

And any lies are acceptable to hide what they, and their party, stand for.

When rationalization becomes irrational we delve into the psychological realm of Cognitive Distortion. The liberal mind appears to have difficulty recognizing and controlling what is referred to in psychology as Cognitive Distortion.

 

[postman]

FoxBusiness. I also linked to WAPO. WHY DIDNT YOU MENTION THAT? WAPO ISNT LEFT WING ENOUGH FOR YOU.

I just read the wall street article, it didn't mention anything about percentages of fracking that the federal government had control over.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-fracking-unions-pennsylvania/2020/10/22/447d31de-12cf-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html

Apparently you didn't read the article.

 

[ColonelAngus]

FoxBusiness. I also linked to WAPO. WHY DIDNT YOU MENTION THAT? WAPO ISNT LEFT WING ENOUGH FOR YOU.

I just read the wall street article, it didn't mention anything about percentages of fracking that the federal government had control over.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-fracking-unions-pennsylvania/2020/10/22/447d31de-12cf-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html

Apparently you didn't read the article.

And you didnt read the tweet and watch the video? He said he is going away from fossil fuel and wil not issue any new permits.

Come on man!

What really matter is that Biden is fucked if he loses PA,and I am sure no one in PA is concerned about what Joe said about fracking. Good for Joe.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You didn't mention that Obama was saying that to a US citizen.

So of course, "you're a citizen yourself" was to be taken literally.

Gee.....a lie!

He was telling that to one who claimed to be speaking for illegal aliens.

And Obama answer the question to her. Not to who she was speaking for. Which is why Obama used "YOU" and not "THEY".

You know Obama knows the best words, and would not use the wrong pronouns when responding to a question.

"you're a citizen yourself"

Words to be taken literally.

She clearly states she was asking as an illegal alien....and Obama tells them to go and vote.

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

 

[ColonelAngus]

I believe Joe. He is going to crush the oil industry in America.

I am sure this will not affect voters.

 

[pknopp]

They are in many cases.

They are in all cases. That you disagree with someone else's principles is immaterial. If they act on a belief they acted on their principle- principle is defined by the user- not the observer. The observer can, and usually is, affected by anothers principle(s), especially politically, but that doesn't change the definer or his principle or his or your opinion of what is what- it is what it is-

principle: a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

Now, one can question "truth", but since truth is constant and knowledge evolves what exactly is the user of a principles truth? Was it true yesterday? Is it true today? Will it be true tomorrow? If it doesn't meet that criteria it is simple knowledge based belief, which is subject to change with an evolution of the knowledge used.

To go further and deeper- reason(ing) is a sound explanation for- whatever.
Excuse is an attempt to justify- whatever.

A users "reasoning" is affected and effected by knowledge- knowledge evolves. Therefore, if a principle is based on knowledge and held as a belief, that is a shaky and shifting "foundation", which, at some point, will leave the "principled" person adrift in a sea not of his conscious choosing- "his" being key, not your opinion.

I never argued about people having different principle's than me. I have no problem with that.

My problem is when they change based upon their politics. Those are not principles.

 

[DGS49]

A "lie" is a statement, purportedly of a FACT, that the speaker knows is false when the statement is made. That's it.

"You can keep your insurance policy if you like it." This infamous statement was known by the speaker to be false when it was uttered. The new law would make a number of broad demands on insurance companies and introduce mandates in coverage that NO EXISTING INSURANCE POLICY complied with. Hence, it was not possible for an existing policy to be retained, even if the policyholder liked the hell out of it. It was therefore a LIE.

With the simple definition stated above - which I hold is manifestly correct - 98% of the "20,000 Trump lies" are extinguished. The other two percent are debatable.

Democrats lie as a matter of course. You can't follow the news for a single day without seeing two or three whoppers coming out of the mouth of Chuck Schumer alone. Biden lies repeatedly, but to be fair it is not sure whether his lies are a matter of simple-mindedness rather than intentional deception. Pelosi? Does she ever tell the truth? Only by happenstance.

The odious Democrat platform is a cornucopia of lies and deceptions, as anyone taking the time to read it can surely see.

In short: Democrats are evil. Simple as that.

 

[BlindBoo]

Chatty Kathy's at it again.

Parroting her Demo-hoax list of all thing she says Democrats are.

Again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Chatty Kathy's at it again.

Parroting her Demo-hoax list of all thing she says Democrats are.

Again.

So, once again, nothing you can find to dispute.


You have my permission to continue lying for Democrats.

 

[BlindBoo]

Chatty Kathy's at it again.

Parroting her Demo-hoax list of all thing she says Democrats are.

Again.

So, once again, nothing you can find to dispute.


You have my permission to continue lying for Democrats.

Everything you parroted has been disputed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Rule #2 is the explanation for the Democrats/Liberals claiming that Trump is responsible for thousands of lies.


Rule #2
To know what the Left is guilty of, just watch what they blame the other side of doing.


One classic example centered on a hurricane that hit Puerto Rico some time back, where the Left lied about thousands of deaths and claimed that Trump lied about same.....

....where, in fact, they did the lying.


"Washington (CNN) Nearly 3,000 people died in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. President Donald Trump denied this reality as a hurricane barrels toward the Carolinas.

[Quoting President Trump:]
"3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000," he said in a tweet Thursday morning as Carolinians prepared to be pummeled by Hurricane Florence.” Trump falsely claims nearly 3,000 Americans in Puerto Rico 'did not die' - CNNPolitics


The original reports of death amounted to double digits....
Now.....with midterm elections on the horizon.....that number ballooned!!!

(CNN) — Puerto Rico’s true death toll from Hurricane Maria remains elusive as the storm’s one-year anniversary approaches.
The island government raised the official death toll to 2,975 on Tuesday after maintaining for months that 64 people had died as a result of the storm.
But the higher figure, based on the findings of researchers from George Washington University in a study commissioned by the US commonwealth’s government, is only an approximation, not a concrete list of names, according to Gov. Ricardo Rossello.

“This number can change,” Rossello said. “It could be less, it could be more, as time passes.” How Puerto Rico’s death toll climbed from 64 to 2,975 in Hurricane Maria



Somehow....without on site reporting, these are the findings:
”Researchers at George Washington University’s Milken Institute School of Public Health, commissioned by Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló, in a report last month estimated there were 2,975 excess deaths in Puerto Rico from September 2017 through February 2018 stemming from last year’s hurricane. That far surpassed the original official count.

Puerto Rico’s government—led by a governor with the island’s pro-statehood party who is also a Democrat…” Trump Denies Heavy Death Toll in Puerto Rico From Hurricane Maria
“….only an approximation, not a concrete list of names,…”…..no list of the names of any beyond about 64…..



If you asked for the names of those who died at Pearl Harbor….you could get it.

Or at the Twin Towers, in NYC…..no prob.


But….then, the Left didn’t have to blame those on Trump.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Chatty Kathy's at it again.

Parroting her Demo-hoax list of all thing she says Democrats are.

Again.

So, once again, nothing you can find to dispute.


You have my permission to continue lying for Democrats.

Everything you parroted has been disputed.

Why don't you try, liar?

 

[TheParser]

1. There is the belief that the one person you cannot lie to is yourself. That’s a lie. The greatest ability we humans have is the ability to rationalize the correctness of any view that benefits us. Rationalize is a lying term for lie.

If it were not the case, there would be far, far fewer Democrats.



2. The following is a distillation of both the Democrat Debates, and of news headlines:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,
socialism,
infanticide,
opposition to free speech,
substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,
support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,
and anti-Semitism… it is the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

But no thinking, self-respecting individual will admit to himself that that is what he will vote for. Hence, the affectation: necessary lies.



3. First, a lie of omission: pretend not to recognize, realize, that that is the Democrat agenda, and what you support. When it is brought up, as I do at every opportunity, there is the sort of Democrat who will simply ignore the reference and move on.


4. The second sort of reprobate will admonish the one who brings it up….not denying any of it….merely admonishing not to mention the incriminations. This:

“Since Trump is going to need democrat votes, please keep calling them dumb. The more insulting, the better. Let's hear it.” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals
See that.....you are making the mistake if you bring it up, not the evil inherent in the agenda itself.
More twists in that lie than in Nadia Comaneci's floor routine!



5. But, of course, the most common response, due to the lack of character and integrity of the sort who support Democrats, is to outright lie.

“And then the infantacide referring to the comments made by the Gov of Virginia who was discussiung babies born with zero hope of survival..” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals

Not unexpected, either, is the indication one gets based on the spelling. We have all seen how truly dumb so many Democrats are.

And just to spotlight what a lie that is, any murder of babies is part of the Democrat doctrine, here is the actual quote:
In an interview on WTOP, a Washington D.C. radio station, [Democrat] Northam said, “So in this particular example if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” The “discussion” refers to ending the baby’s life or not, even though it had been born — another radical step to the left.

... Roman parents would kill the child as a form of birth control. What Northam said is no different than what the evil Roman empire would do to newly-born children. "
The Modern-Day Democratic Party Treats The Unborn The Same Way The Roman Empire Did


For Democrats, any child is eligible for this….’consideration'....infanticide.

And any lies are acceptable to hide what they, and their party, stand for.

I usually agree with the OP, except on this topic.

I think that abortion is the second best thing after family planning (thank you, Ms. Sanger).

Thanks to abortion, we do NOT have more robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, & murderers on the street than we already do.

 

[ColonelAngus]

1. There is the belief that the one person you cannot lie to is yourself. That’s a lie. The greatest ability we humans have is the ability to rationalize the correctness of any view that benefits us. Rationalize is a lying term for lie.

If it were not the case, there would be far, far fewer Democrats.



2. The following is a distillation of both the Democrat Debates, and of news headlines:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,
socialism,
infanticide,
opposition to free speech,
substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,
support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,
and anti-Semitism… it is the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

But no thinking, self-respecting individual will admit to himself that that is what he will vote for. Hence, the affectation: necessary lies.



3. First, a lie of omission: pretend not to recognize, realize, that that is the Democrat agenda, and what you support. When it is brought up, as I do at every opportunity, there is the sort of Democrat who will simply ignore the reference and move on.


4. The second sort of reprobate will admonish the one who brings it up….not denying any of it….merely admonishing not to mention the incriminations. This:

“Since Trump is going to need democrat votes, please keep calling them dumb. The more insulting, the better. Let's hear it.” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals
See that.....you are making the mistake if you bring it up, not the evil inherent in the agenda itself.
More twists in that lie than in Nadia Comaneci's floor routine!



5. But, of course, the most common response, due to the lack of character and integrity of the sort who support Democrats, is to outright lie.

“And then the infantacide referring to the comments made by the Gov of Virginia who was discussiung babies born with zero hope of survival..” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals

Not unexpected, either, is the indication one gets based on the spelling. We have all seen how truly dumb so many Democrats are.

And just to spotlight what a lie that is, any murder of babies is part of the Democrat doctrine, here is the actual quote:
In an interview on WTOP, a Washington D.C. radio station, [Democrat] Northam said, “So in this particular example if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” The “discussion” refers to ending the baby’s life or not, even though it had been born — another radical step to the left.

... Roman parents would kill the child as a form of birth control. What Northam said is no different than what the evil Roman empire would do to newly-born children. "
The Modern-Day Democratic Party Treats The Unborn The Same Way The Roman Empire Did


For Democrats, any child is eligible for this….’consideration'....infanticide.

And any lies are acceptable to hide what they, and their party, stand for.

I usually agree with the OP, except on this topic.

I think that abortion is the second best thing after family planning (thank you, Ms. Sanger).

Thanks to abortion, we do NOT have more robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, & murderers on the street than we already do.

Abortion is amazing for racists. Over 30 million black babies aborted in the past 40 years.

Thats 5 times as many Jews that Hitler Killed. 30 million dead babies is Stalin numbers....and thats just black babies.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. There is the belief that the one person you cannot lie to is yourself. That’s a lie. The greatest ability we humans have is the ability to rationalize the correctness of any view that benefits us. Rationalize is a lying term for lie.

If it were not the case, there would be far, far fewer Democrats.



2. The following is a distillation of both the Democrat Debates, and of news headlines:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,
socialism,
infanticide,
opposition to free speech,
substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,
support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,
and anti-Semitism… it is the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

But no thinking, self-respecting individual will admit to himself that that is what he will vote for. Hence, the affectation: necessary lies.



3. First, a lie of omission: pretend not to recognize, realize, that that is the Democrat agenda, and what you support. When it is brought up, as I do at every opportunity, there is the sort of Democrat who will simply ignore the reference and move on.


4. The second sort of reprobate will admonish the one who brings it up….not denying any of it….merely admonishing not to mention the incriminations. This:

“Since Trump is going to need democrat votes, please keep calling them dumb. The more insulting, the better. Let's hear it.” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals
See that.....you are making the mistake if you bring it up, not the evil inherent in the agenda itself.
More twists in that lie than in Nadia Comaneci's floor routine!



5. But, of course, the most common response, due to the lack of character and integrity of the sort who support Democrats, is to outright lie.

“And then the infantacide referring to the comments made by the Gov of Virginia who was discussiung babies born with zero hope of survival..” This Is Why We Can't Explain The Facts To Liberals

Not unexpected, either, is the indication one gets based on the spelling. We have all seen how truly dumb so many Democrats are.

And just to spotlight what a lie that is, any murder of babies is part of the Democrat doctrine, here is the actual quote:
In an interview on WTOP, a Washington D.C. radio station, [Democrat] Northam said, “So in this particular example if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen, the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” The “discussion” refers to ending the baby’s life or not, even though it had been born — another radical step to the left.

... Roman parents would kill the child as a form of birth control. What Northam said is no different than what the evil Roman empire would do to newly-born children. "
The Modern-Day Democratic Party Treats The Unborn The Same Way The Roman Empire Did


For Democrats, any child is eligible for this….’consideration'....infanticide.

And any lies are acceptable to hide what they, and their party, stand for.

I usually agree with the OP, except on this topic.

I think that abortion is the second best thing after family planning (thank you, Ms. Sanger).

Thanks to abortion, we do NOT have more robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, & murderers on the street than we already do.

Well, then, P.....let's hash this out.

1. Abortion is the murder of another human being.
2. The unborn is a unique and separate human with its own DNA, formed at the moment of conception.
3. Nearly every case of abortion is done simply for convenience....convenience, the sort of thing like having your groceries delivered rather than going shopping by yourself.
4. Family planning would be using birth control, not murder.
5.Perhps there is an alternative to reducing the numbers of "robbers, sucker punchers, looters, rapists, & murderers on the street..." I can provide some suggestions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. The Democrats/Liberals/Leftists often provide some explanation that there acolytes can claim to believe,….such as the denial/non-denial that the laptop is Hunter Biden’s and that Joe hasn’t sold out to Ukraine, China and Russia.

But they don’t really believe it…..once the media covered for the Bidens, they knew the truth.



"The deniers first deceive themselves that they are sincere in their adherence to falsehoods. Thus they cannot be faulted for acting on genuinely held views. But in truth, they have cultivated an ignorance of the facts, what Thomas Aquinas called ignorantia affectata. An ignorance so useful that one protects it at all costs, in order to continue using it in one’s own self interest. This ignorance is not exculpatory, but inculpatory. Forgive them not, for they know full well what they do.'
RICHARD BADALAMENTE



….it is the modus operandi of the Left: a lie. 'a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth 'the definition of lie


Lies are their way of life.

It is essential to recognize that the word has 'lie' has two different meaning to the Left and to the Right.
When applied to the Right, it is taken as an insult, to be responded to, to be proven incorrect.
To the Left it is to be shrugged at, an acceptable mode of debate. They don't care.
They don't care if they are known to be liars.
You'll see that time and again in their posts.