Natalee Holloway Case

[archangel]

on the Dutch youth whos father is a judge in Aruba....two more vehicles were seized from the youths home...belonging to the parents...humm!

 

[archangel]

this abomination of justice...this Island is some 6x19 miles wide and long...after all the searches to include"Death Dogs" still no sign of Natalee..
What I am wondering is how come we hear no comment as to polygraphs being administered to the three front suspects...kinda makes one wonder!
I am really starting to believe that Natalee was possibly raped by the "Anger Management" challenged Dutch youth...then sold to the the "Sex slave trade" in Venezuela...via the downtown prostitution businesses...what else could this lack of body being found be?...Then again I suppose she could have been fed to the sharks...not likey though...or buried in a place that would not be examined...taking that aside I will go with the analysis that she is in the "Sex Slave trade" industry...
I say break these youths now...the harder they are interrogated the better...take the gloves off! :firing:

ps: She could also have been traded for a drug debt..by the Dutch youth to the "Columbia Cartel"

 

[archangel]

Another suspect has been arrested..."SGC" 26 year old male...and a helicopter has been reported as searching for remains with negative results...
This case has to be one of the weirdest...Incompetence on the part of the Aruba police comes to mind....the father of the Dutch boy is" not considered "a suspect according to recent reports...yet he was mentioned...why?...and why can they not find remains on this tiny Island...or locate her if she is being held there...maybe because she was transported somewhere else...hummm...ya think maybe we have a conspiracy here?

 

[krisy]

archangel,I have to say something doesn't smell right. This police investigation is a joke. I don't understand where the FBI is in all this. Aren't they still down there? I heard something on the news about them trying to let the police there take care of as much as they could on their own,and the FBI just guiding them through it. I say....let them help,please!!!!! They obviously have no idea what they are doing...literally.

I was wondering if anyone saw the story on Fox about the other young girl that went missiing from that area and a serviceman ran into her in Venezuela(sp?) maybe. She told him her name and seemed to be distressed. She has been missing for a while now. Sorry,can't remember to many of the details. She just kept telling the guy her name. It sounded as if she had been sold into this sex slave thing. I guess he didn't know she was missing at the time and wasn't quite sure what to do.

 

[OCA]

I've been staying away from this case but now will state the obvious......this chick is sharkbait, she was dumped in the sea. Maybe 1 day a hipbone of hers will show up in a fishing net but in any case she's dead.

 

[no1tovote4]

I've been staying away from this case but now will state the obvious......this chick is sharkbait, she was dumped in the sea. Maybe 1 day a hipbone of hers will show up in a fishing net but in any case she's dead.

I still have hope that they will find her in the slave trade in Venzuela. Regardless, something terrible has happened to her. I do wonder why this is the girl that goes missing there that we hear about, what made her so special? There are many more people than her that have gone missing in that area.

 

[archangel]

Reporters from Aruba radio station Top95 launched their own search before police arrived,(Marriott search) finding a pair of torn pink-and-white-polka dot panties and three condums,two of them used,said one of the journalists,Albert Vrolijk.He said they also found some duct tape wrapped around a tree.The reporters handed their findings over to police,who refused comment..... www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/15/94458.shtml

Don't know about y'all but this Aruba Police Department is really starting to sound incompetent or are covering something up ...imo...I wonder if they even submitted the condums and panties for DNA tests! :scratch:

 

[Gabriella84]

I've been staying away from this case but now will state the obvious......this chick is sharkbait, she was dumped in the sea. Maybe 1 day a hipbone of hers will show up in a fishing net but in any case she's dead.

My feelings exactly. Especially since the French media has reported that this was a common way to dispose of bodies in Aruba.

I feel immensely for Natalee's friends and family. But I feel this was an incident that could have easily been avoided. Natalee spent several nights prior to her abduction partying with guys she didn't know, getting extremely intoxicated and often wandering off with guys. She was also known to carry large sums of money on her person.
Which leads me to believe that a group of sleezeballs robbed her, raped her, killed her and dumped her body in the ocean.

 

[archangel]

My feelings exactly. Especially since the French media has reported that this was a common way to dispose of bodies in Aruba.

I feel immensely for Natalee's friends and family. But I feel this was an incident that could have easily been avoided. Natalee spent several nights prior to her abduction partying with guys she didn't know, getting extremely intoxicated and often wandering off with guys. She was also known to carry large sums of money on her person.
Which leads me to believe that a group of sleezeballs robbed her, raped her, killed her and dumped her body in the ocean.

That easily fooled for points...by the way her wallet,passport etc were left in her hotel room...and as for the French police assessment..sorry this is Dutch territory not French...and for the "shark theory" well sharks do not eat the entire body...iearts would be left for discovery...and the tides in Aruba would not support being pulled out to sea...one would have to go behond the tide pool area in order to have the currents pull a body out to sea...thus a boat would be needed...however I will give you the theory and comment as to her bad choices in companions! :coffee3:

 

[Gabriella84]

I have read that Aruba was a French territory, but I could be wrong. In any instance, the French media has written about the case. Bodies are often carried out to sea, weighted down and dumped in areas where they can be tore apart by the tides and consumed by sea life.

 

[archangel]

I have read that Aruba was a French territory, but I could be wrong. In any instance, the French media has written about the case. Bodies are often carried out to sea, weighted down and dumped in areas where they can be tore apart by the tides and consumed by sea life.

Sorry but I actually did investigations for a career...not a professional student..
get out in the real world before you make assessments...and study a little harder before you make guesses based on "French" media reports! What the hell do they teach at Berkley anyhoo...(pun) how to BS101! :scratch:

 

[GotZoom]

I have read that Aruba was a French territory, but I could be wrong. In any instance, the French media has written about the case. Bodies are often carried out to sea, weighted down and dumped in areas where they can be tore apart by the tides and consumed by sea life.

Dutch - not French

Aruba's Government Detailed Information

The Kingdom of the Netherlands is a hereditary constitutional monarchy. The system of Government in Aruba is based on Western democratic principles and the structure of the Aruban government is now as follows:

The Governor is appointed by the Queen of the Kingdom for a term of six years and acts as the sovereign's representative on the island.

The Legislature consists of a 21-member parliament, elected by popular vote for a four-year term of office.

The Council of Ministers, presided over by the Prime Minister, forms the executive power.

Legal jurisdiction lies with a Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Antilles Netherlands and a Supreme Court of Justice in Netherlands.

 

[archangel]

Dutch - not French

Aruba's Government Detailed Information

The Kingdom of the Netherlands is a hereditary constitutional monarchy. The system of Government in Aruba is based on Western democratic principles and the structure of the Aruban government is now as follows:

The Governor is appointed by the Queen of the Kingdom for a term of six years and acts as the sovereign's representative on the island.

The Legislature consists of a 21-member parliament, elected by popular vote for a four-year term of office.

The Council of Ministers, presided over by the Prime Minister, forms the executive power.

Legal jurisdiction lies with a Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Antilles Netherlands and a Supreme Court of Justice in Netherlands.

I did not want to embarrass her that much...however a lesson in civics was warranted...kudos to ya! :whip3:

 

[Bonnie]

So many questions spring to mind, like...Where were the thirty parents who were there keeping an eye on the kids? Where were all her girlfriends and what did she tell them about her new island boyfriend and his friends??? Why can't they get three stupid spoiled teens to crack under interrogation??

This whole thing is not only heartbreaking for her parents but it's so bizzare!!

 

[krisy]

So many questions spring to mind, like...Where were the thirty parents who were there keeping an eye on the kids? Where were all her girlfriends and what did she tell them about her new island boyfriend and his friends??? Why can't they get three stupid spoiled teens to crack under interrogation??

This whole thing is not only heartbreaking for her parents but it's so bizzare!!

I think we are all wondering those things.I saw one of the "chaperones" on Fox,and she said they weren't there to watch them,but be there in the event of an emergency because they couldn't keep up with 125 kids. I was also very curious like you as to why no one has got these boys to crack. From what I saw on t.v. yesterday,the Arubian police want to do as much as possible on their own,and the FBI just assist when asked. I guess there proud or something.

 

[Bonnie]

I think we are all wondering those things.I saw one of the "chaperones" on Fox,and she said they weren't there to watch them,but be there in the event of an emergency because they couldn't keep up with 125 kids. I was also very curious like you as to why no one has got these boys to crack. From what I saw on t.v. yesterday,the Arubian police want to do as much as possible on their own,and the FBI just assist when asked. I guess there proud or something.

That's very lame chaperoning, why bother going then??

And yes either the Aruban police are comepletely innept or those are some of the savviest teens on the planet.
If I were that mother I'd be screaming bloody murder, which Im sure she is when the cameras aren't rolling.

Who are they going to arrest next, the bag boy at the local market?? Although this party- boat/DJ sounds like an interesting person, and he does have a boat, sort of shakes out with archangel's sex slavery theorum.... :scratch:

 

[Annie]

That's very lame chaperoning, why bother going then??

And yes either the Aruban police are comepletely innept or those are some of the savviest teens on the planet.
If I were that mother I'd be screaming bloody murder, which Im sure she is when the cameras aren't rolling.

Who are they going to arrest next, the bag boy at the local market?? Although this party- boat/DJ sounds like an interesting person, and he does have a boat, sort of shakes out with archangel's sex slavery theorum.... :scratch:

Or dumping her body into the shark infested waters...

 

[archangel]

Three weeks into this case and still no concrete results...It has been reported that no polygraph can be used since it is not allowed in the Aruba Court system....so the FBI was allowed to send a group of profilers to sit in on the interrogations...also the parents are receiving help from a private Texas Search group...they are bringing "Corpse dogs" and sonar to search the coastal waters...

And now I will wait for some more non-intelligent comments from G84...stating this would never happen if the missing person was not a cute white female.....Heres Gabby! :baby4:

 

[GotZoom]

And now, the parents might sue ....

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Members of a Texas search and rescue team were headed to Aruba Tuesday to aid in the search for missing U.S. teen Natalee Holloway.

Meanwhile, the family of the Alabama high school honors student said they were preparing a lawsuit that demands Aruban authorities share what evidence they have.

Aruban authorities have come under fire as media reports have portrayed the Caribbean island's efforts in the investigation as less than satisfactory.

A spokeswoman for the island's prosecutor's office defended the pace of the probe on Tuesday. "We are still keeping all our options open. ... We are working as fast as our system allows us to work and still be meticulous," Mariaine Croes told FOX News.

A judge on Monday ruled that the fourth suspect arrested in the case, Steve Gregory Croes, be held until at least next Tuesday. The 26-year-old party boat disc jockey was arrested last week in connection with Holloway's disappearance May 30.

Mariaine Croes, no relation to the suspect, confirmed on Tuesday that a third suspect, Deepak Kalpoe, 21, was moved to prison Monday night. Already in jail are his brother, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and a 17-year-old Dutch teen, Joran van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot and the two Surinamese brothers were among the last people reported to be with Holloway the night she disappeared. The Kalpoe brothers told police they took Holloway to a northern beach but dropped her off at her hotel, where they claim she was approached by a security guard.

Croes said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being held in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, according to Marcus Wiggins, Croes' employer on the party boat Tattoo. It was not known what other connection he may have had to either the brothers or to van der Sloot, the son of a justice official in Aruba. The boat Tattoo docks near the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.

Meanwhile, a source close to the investigation told FOX News that evidence taken from two cars impounded from the van der Sloot residence will be taken to The Netherlands for testing.

The source also said the FBI only helped with the exterior search of the Dutch teen's home but did not go inside the structure.

The FBI is now swapping out agents who have been there since early June. Two agents from Birmingham, Ala., will now be joining the team, which specializes in evidence collection and processing.

Early in the investigation a sample from the backseat of the teen's car was sent to an FBI lab in Virginia. The source said the Aruban authorities are increasingly relying on Dutch forensics teams instead of the FBI.

The family of the missing girl has been frustrated by the lack of unity and the slow pace of the search. Holloway's uncle, Paul Reynolds, told Court TV Monday that the family has contracted the Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team (search) to carry out a search of the island.

"They are going to help us search for Natalee in ways we couldn't before," Reynolds said without offering details.

Texas EquuSearch, made up of volunteers, said on its Web site that a team is traveling to Aruba this week.

The missing honor student's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told The Associated Press on Monday that the family has contracted an Aruban lawyer and was preparing a lawsuit demanding access to all information and potential evidence that police and prosecutors have gathered.

"I want to see the police record from May 30th," said Holloway Twitty, who has insisted the three young men hold the key to the investigation and that authorities should press them harder to tell the truth.

Croes, the attorney general's spokeswoman, said a judge would not rule on such a suit until any suspects were indicted.

In an interview with FOX News' Greta Van Susteren, Natalee's mother said she is confident van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know what happened to her daughter.

"I have absolutely no doubt at all" that these three men know what happened to Natalee, Holloway Twitty said.

"When van der Sloot approached the vehicle I was seated in he had the most condescending, arrogant ... attitude of any 17-year-old I've ever seen," Holloway Twitty said when recounting an early encounter she had with the Dutch teen after arriving on Aruba.

Holloway Twitty said she was holding a photo of her daughter and said, "I told him 'I want my daughter' and he said, 'What do you want me to do.'"

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a five-day school trip with 124 students celebrating their high school graduation. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.

Investigators refuse to say whether they believe Holloway is dead. Holloway Twitty has said she will continue to believe her daughter is alive until she has proof to the contrary.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160168,00.html

 

[Annie]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

Natalee's Mom Confronts Suspect's Parents

Wednesday, June 22, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — In an emotional meeting Tuesday, Natalee Holloway's (search) mother — who has pledged not to leave the island without her daughter — confronted the parents of one of the suspects in the case of the missing 18-year-old.

Beth Holloway Twitty (search), whose daughter disappeared May 30 in Aruba, went to the home of Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teen who is now behind bars. She was hoping to speak with the parents of the boy, whom she had earlier described as having "the most arrogant ... attitude of any 17-year-old I've ever seen."

Holloway Twitty got more than she expected — a 90-minute conversation inside the van der Sloots' home.

Holloway Twitty told FOX News' Greta Van Susteren that she wanted to meet with the van der Sloots. The pair traveled to the van der Sloots' residence where Van Susteren captured exclusive footage of Holloway Twitty calling into the home to determine if anyone was there. After spotting someone behind a bush, she urged him to come out and take one of the prayer cards she has been distributing.

Shortly thereafter, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the suspect's father who has been questioned in the case — emerged from behind the shrub, approached the gate and invited Holloway Twitty and Van Susteren inside and asked for the cameras to be turned off.

During the emotional scene in the home, Holloway Twitty repeatedly asked the van der Sloots to tell her anything they knew about Natalee's disappearance.

An hour and a half later, the van der Sloots escorted Holloway Twitty out of their home. Anita van der Sloot kissed Natalee's mother goodbye.

In an earlier interview with Van Susteren, Natalee's mother had said she was confident Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects know what happened to her daughter.

"I have absolutely no doubt at all" that these three men know what happened to Natalee, Holloway Twitty said.

"When van der Sloot approached the vehicle I was seated in he had the most condescending, arrogant ... attitude of any 17-year-old I've ever seen," Holloway Twitty said, recounting an early encounter she had with the Dutch teen after arriving on Aruba.

Holloway Twitty said she was holding a photo of her daughter and said, "I told him 'I want my daughter' and he said, 'What do you want me to do?'"

The meeting between Holloway Twitty and the van der Sloots came as the investigation into Natalee's disappearance continues. But frustration is mounting in the Holloway camp regarding the pace and openness of the probe. The family of the Alabama high school honors student said they were preparing a lawsuit demanding Aruban authorities share what evidence they have.

A spokeswoman for the island's prosecutor's office defended the speed of the probe on Tuesday.

"We are still keeping all our options open. ... We are working as fast as our system allows us to work and still be meticulous," Mariaine Croes told FOX News.

A judge on Monday ruled that the fourth suspect arrested in the case, Steve Gregory Croes, be held until at least next Tuesday. The 26-year-old party boat disc jockey was arrested last week in connection with Holloway's disappearance May 30.

Mariaine Croes, no relation to the suspect, confirmed on Tuesday that a third suspect, Deepak Kalpoe, 21, was moved to prison Monday night. Already in jail are his brother, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Joran van der Sloot.

Also Tuesday, members of a Texas search and rescue team, Texas EquuSearch, headed to Aruba to aid in the search for missing teen.

Van der Sloot and the two Surinamese brothers were among the last people reported to be with Holloway the night she disappeared. The Kalpoe brothers told police they took Holloway to a northern beach but dropped her off at her hotel, where they claim she was approached by a security guard.

Croes said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being held in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, according to Marcus Wiggins, Croes' employer on the party boat Tattoo. It was not known what other connection he may have had to either the brothers or to van der Sloot, the son of a justice official in Aruba. The boat Tattoo docks near the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.

Meanwhile, a source close to the investigation told FOX News that evidence taken from two cars impounded from the van der Sloot residence will be taken to The Netherlands for testing.

The source also said the FBI only helped with the exterior search of the Dutch teen's home but did not go inside the structure.

The FBI is now swapping out agents who have been there since early June. Two agents from Birmingham, Ala., will now be joining the team, which specializes in evidence collection and processing.

Early in the investigation a sample from the backseat of the teen's car was sent to an FBI lab in Virginia. The source said the Aruban authorities are increasingly relying on Dutch forensics teams instead of the FBI.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a five-day school trip with 124 students celebrating their high school graduation. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.

Investigators refuse to say whether they believe Holloway is dead. Holloway Twitty has said she will continue to believe her daughter is alive until she has proof to the contrary.