Myths about ObamaCare

[Greenbeard]

So you know exactly what Pelosi was thinking?

You don't need to read her mind, you need only to read what she said. Speaking to a group of county officials (who make up the backbone of most of the nation's public health infrastructure), she said:

"We have to do this in partnership [across levels of government], and I wanted to bring up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.

"You've heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don't know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention -- it's about diet, not diabetes. It's going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Senator Scott Brown, who won office vowing to be the 41st vote to block President Obama’s health care law and who has since voted three times to repeal it, acknowledged Monday that he takes advantage of it to keep his elder daughter on his congressional health insurance plan.

“Of course I do,’’ the Massachusetts Republican told the Globe."

PROBAMACARE!!!!​

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[healthmyths]

"You have to pass the bill to see what's inside" - Nancy Pelosi

"We know the public doesn't like it, the question is whether or not the Congress can do it" -ObamaCare architect on CSPAN




*) Everyone in the U.S. will be covered by health care.
FALSE
Those who do not purchase health care or receive free coverage from the government will not have access to all services.

*) Everyone will pay their fair share.
FALSE
50% of total health care costs are incurred by 5% of the population.
Illegal aliens will not be required to purchase health insurance.
Walfare recipients will not be required to pay , ...or pay low amounts

*) Having my medical records centralized will be geatly beneficial for me.
FALSE
The health care industry will determine what proceedure you need and every doctor you see will have the same information.
The days of getting a second opinion are over.


*) Health care premiums will go down
FALSE
According to the current program you can be charged up to 9.5% of your income, which would be a significant increase for most Americans, and percentage rates can be raised at any time.
The health care industry will be able to bill any and all expenses to the public.

*) RomneyCare is different from ObamaCare.
FALSE
According to a Massachusetts ObamaCare architect, RomneyCare was the state prototype and trial-run for ObamaCare


*) When i'm on ObamaCare all of my expenses will be covered.
FALSE
There is nothing in the bill that says they can not raise your premiums(up to 9.5% of your income).

*) When i'm on ObamaCare all my needed proceedures will be covered.
FALSE
The validity of your proceedures will be determined by the IPAB "death panels", who answer to no one, and have the sole purpose of slashing costs.


*) ObamaCare saves the country money.
FALSE
Obama has already stated that the cost will be double what it was originally projected (900billion x 2)
Currently the plan is stealing from the Medicare fund.


*) The ObamaCare Mandate is Constitutional.
FALSE
Whether or not our corrupt Supreme Court makes the right ruling , which it probably won't , the government is drawing the power from a Supreme Court ruling from the 40's where a farmer was ordered not to plant crops on the idea it harmed the intire market.
No one present at the creation of the Constituion would approve of the ObamaCare mandate.

*) Big business Health Insurance companies don't like the plan.
FALSE
Health Insurance companies sent out notices that they were going to raise rates by 300% in an effort to scare the public into dropping opposition to the bill.
Health Insurance companies will receive 40 million new customers because of the mandate.

*) No one can be turned down for health care coverage,especially for pre-existing problems.
TRUE
Everyone will be welcome to pay for insurance.
Whether or not you get the care you think you need is a different story.
The validity of your procedures will be determined by the IPAB "death panels", who answer to no one, and have the sole purpose of slashing costs.

*) The rich will pay their fair share for the nation.
FALSE
Just like Social Security, businesses will be capped at certain amounts so they DON'T pay their fair share.

*) Doctors will like this new system.
FALSE
The government and the health care industries will be more heavily involved with wages that doctors are paid.
Doctors that handle customers that earn the median wages are already scheduled to take a large pay decrease.
Doctors will be forced to aim for health care guidelines instead of suggested treatments.

*) Obama said i can keep the current plan if i want to.
FALSE
Your current plan will be viewed as a luxury.
Companies will be seeking government minimums to keep costs at the lowest rates.
There will be complete changes to the system.

*) ObamaCare is a Socialist system.
TRUE AND FALSE
Because the system is not fully run by the government it is not Socialist Communist , but instead it forced the country to patron big business, and therefor would be "Socialist Capitalist"


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There are 3 fundamental myths far more "Mythical" then what you've offered!
A) There ARE NOT 47 million "uninsured" when 10 million counted as "uninsured" are NOT citizens.. When 14 million counted as "uninsured" ARE covered by Medicaid and the biggest myth.. of the remaining 23 million "uninsured" 17.5 million are counted BUT don't WANT health insurance! They are under 34 make more then $50K a year and still refuse employer offered insurance because they don't NEED it!

B) next biggest myth malpractice insurance considered part of skyrocketing health care costs! Supporters of Obama care counter the FACT that $600 billion a year in health care costs ARE because lawyers are lawsuit happy! Yet Obamacare supports consider that physicians are complaining about malpractice insurance as "defensive medicine" and they couldn't be more wrong!
90% of physicians intereviewed said they send $1 of $4 in claims wastefully because they are afraid of LaWSUITS!!!

C) next big myth... Medicare is efficient! Hahhahaahahah!!!
On average hospitals have about $47 billion a year in "uncompensated" care costs, i.e. taking Uninsured!
YET these hospitals PAD and pass on to medicare outrageous markups I've seen as high as 6,000% !
YET where is the outrage?
medicare could cut $100 billion a year JuST in NOT willingly paying these gross markups!
AND why does Medicare do this?
Look up EMTALA a 1986 law that forces hospitals IF they take Medicare to take the uninsured! It sounded like a good idea and has been come another example of good intentions create BAD outcome!!!

Everything I wrote is totally substantiated!
Less the 5 million truly need health coverage.. NOT 47 MILLION!
$600 billion wasted on duplicate tests, specialist referrals, WASTED
Billions of Medicare wasted because of EMTALA and padding and passing!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

B) next biggest myth malpractice insurance considered part of skyrocketing health care costs! Supporters of Obama care counter the FACT that $600 billion a year in health care costs ARE because lawyers are lawsuit happy! Yet Obamacare supports consider that physicians are complaining about malpractice insurance as "defensive medicine" and they couldn't be more wrong!

90% of physicians intereviewed said they send $1 of $4 in claims wastefully because they are afraid of LaWSUITS!!!

Yeah.....that's bullshit, alright......​

"The health economists and independent legal experts who study the issue, however, don’t believe that’s true. They say that malpractice liability costs are a small fraction of the spiraling costs of the U.S. health care system, and that the medical errors that malpractice liability tries to prevent are themselves a huge cost– both to the injured patients and to the health care system as a whole.

“It’s really just a distraction,” said Tom Baker, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School and author of “The Medical Malpractice Myth.” “If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care.”

Insurance costs about $50-$60 billion a year, Baker estimates. As for what’s often called “defensive medicine,” “there’s really no good study that’s been able to put a number on that,” said Baker."

Tort Reform = Bogus/Bullshit Issuehttp://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs​

 

[healthmyths]

As I said you Obamacare supporters are totally wrong regarding "Defensive medicine" and confusing it with the stupid arguement about malpractice insurance!
Malpractice insurance ISN'T the issue idiot!


HERE read what the actual people that CREATE the $600 billion a year in total wasted "defensive medicine" report:
Doctors Practice Medicine in Fear, New Study Finds

Why defensive medicine ...
If 1,231 physicians...(90%) Ninety percent of physicians surveyed said
"doctors overtest and overtreat to protect themselves from malpractice lawsuits.
"Defensive medicine is when doctors order multiple tests, MRIs and other procedures, not because the patient needs them, but to protect against litigation based on allegations that something should have been done but wasn’t. according to the survey published Monday in Archives of Internal Medicine.

90% of surveyed physicians SAY THEY CREATE the $600 billion in WASTED Duplicate tests!

1) More than half (53 percent) of emergency physicians reported that fear of lawsuits is the main reason for ordering the number of tests they do.
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NOW I"M Going to SHOUT YOU IDiOTS it is NOT malpractice insurance but the $600 billion a year in DEFENSIVE MEDICINE caused by FEAR of lawsuits!!!

PLEASE comprehend this simple FACT it is the $600 billion DEFENSIVE MEDICINE
not the $60 billion malpractice insurance!
THAT IS A PHONY argument!