My father has been in the ER for two days and nights waiting for a hospital bed

[Slyhunter]

At least he’s getting healthcare. The Republican plan of let them go to the emergency room or let them die quick is a terrible plan.

In a Perfect world, we would let genetics control who is allowed to breed with whom. Those with Genetic defects would not be allowed to breed. And the ones who need healthcare would be given it if they contribute enough to society to warrant it or otherwise be put out of their misery and turned into fertilizer.

 

[Slyhunter]

Taking the profit motive out of providing health insurance to people doesn't mean students will stop studying life sciences -- can you show me anywhere among the other developed countries in the world where people have just stopped learning about organic chemistry??

Why do you feel it is necessary for private insurance companies to make billions for their shareholders at the expense of the consumers is the only way we can insure kids will grow up to want to study biology or chemistry?

An Aspirin in a Hospital cost like $30. Not because some Insurance company is milking the profits. But because part of the cost of the Aspirin is providing healthcare to people who don't pay what it cost. Medicare and Medicaid recipients, illegal immigrants and the general poor. Those who pay, pay more because of those who don't pay.

You do understand you are basically making the case for universal healthcare right?

unless you think the better option is to not provide healthcare at all to people who can't afford to pay and somehow that will magically bring the cost of aspirin down??

By the way, this is what FoxBusiness says about those 30 bucks a pop aspirin pills....but what do they know...

"For starters, most emergency room prices are inflated based on the rates at which insurance companies will reimburse the hospital on a patient's behalf. That's why a single aspirin can cost $30 per pill in the E.R., which is more than six times the price for a bottle of them at the drug store."


Outrageous E.R. Hospital Charges: What to Do

The better option is to provide health care to those who can afford to pay what it cost to provide it and to give the rest free euthanasia.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Taking the profit motive out of providing health insurance to people doesn't mean students will stop studying life sciences -- can you show me anywhere among the other developed countries in the world where people have just stopped learning about organic chemistry??

Why do you feel it is necessary for private insurance companies to make billions for their shareholders at the expense of the consumers is the only way we can insure kids will grow up to want to study biology or chemistry?

An Aspirin in a Hospital cost like $30. Not because some Insurance company is milking the profits. But because part of the cost of the Aspirin is providing healthcare to people who don't pay what it cost. Medicare and Medicaid recipients, illegal immigrants and the general poor. Those who pay, pay more because of those who don't pay.

You do understand you are basically making the case for universal healthcare right?

unless you think the better option is to not provide healthcare at all to people who can't afford to pay and somehow that will magically bring the cost of aspirin down??

By the way, this is what FoxBusiness says about those 30 bucks a pop aspirin pills....but what do they know...

"For starters, most emergency room prices are inflated based on the rates at which insurance companies will reimburse the hospital on a patient's behalf. That's why a single aspirin can cost $30 per pill in the E.R., which is more than six times the price for a bottle of them at the drug store."


Outrageous E.R. Hospital Charges: What to Do

The better option is to provide health care to those who can afford to pay what it cost to provide it and to give the rest free euthanasia.

So kill people who can't afford healthcare?

Cool, hopefully republicans will campaign on that in 2020....I am sure it will be a real hit with the American people...it will definitely poll better than Trumpcare did...which isn't saying much since that plan had 12% approval...

Maybe your plan of killing people who can't afford health care is the solution we need...

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Answers like this last guy is the reason I have ZERO respect for Trumpers....

All they have to offer are idiotic dystopian fantasies that they think about while jerking off to Ayn Rand centerfolds

 

[Cecilie1200]

I’m just wondering what these proponents of single payer plan to do about the overcrowding of hospitals their system would bring.

Evidence of other such systems tell us that they would resort to rationing, although they don't want to admit it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In other words...no one.
How many electrical engineers will design new equipment if they don’t get paid for it?

The ones that are interested in designing new equipment.

Everything is about dollars and cents with you people.

Yup, because everything is usually about dollars and cents to people preparing for their career in life, too.

Pretty sure I don't want to count on obsessive fascination with one field of study to single-handedly provide enough doctors.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I’m just wondering what these proponents of single payer plan to do about the overcrowding of hospitals their system would bring.

Maybe you should ask why are capitalist based for profit hospitals overcrowded...

Because they accept patients who aren't all that profitable as well.

 

[Moonglow]

I’m just wondering what these proponents of single payer plan to do about the overcrowding of hospitals their system would bring.

Maybe you should ask why are capitalist based for profit hospitals overcrowded...

Because they accept patients who aren't all that profitable as well.

Suckers...

 

[Cecilie1200]

and when are we going to see seniors marching in the streets demanding that Medicare be privatized and they can get back to having the almighty profit motive make decisions about their health services???

For some reason, seniors keep on overwhelmingly loving their Medicare -- im thinking they most have become communist socialist traitors once they became AARP members

How many supplement plans do they need to cover everything?

If you are going to discuss Medicare maybe you should also add the government does not cover everything and seniors carry supplement plans at an extra charge or did you not know this?

If Medicare doesn't pay supplements don't either.

I'm not sure you're comprehending the concept of "Medicare supplements".

 

[Cecilie1200]

Taking the profit motive out of providing health insurance to people doesn't mean students will stop studying life sciences -- can you show me anywhere among the other developed countries in the world where people have just stopped learning about organic chemistry??

Why do you feel it is necessary for private insurance companies to make billions for their shareholders at the expense of the consumers is the only way we can insure kids will grow up to want to study biology or chemistry?

An Aspirin in a Hospital cost like $30. Not because some Insurance company is milking the profits. But because part of the cost of the Aspirin is providing healthcare to people who don't pay what it cost. Medicare and Medicaid recipients, illegal immigrants and the general poor. Those who pay, pay more because of those who don't pay.

You are correct. Right now, with Medicare only choosing to pay 80% of the cost of care, that means private insurance is getting charged more to take up the difference. If there's no private insurance, then what? Is the expense of providing the services going to go down just because the government decides it's not going to pay that much?

 

[Cecilie1200]

At least he’s getting healthcare. The Republican plan of let them go to the emergency room or let them die quick is a terrible plan.

In a Perfect world, we would let genetics control who is allowed to breed with whom. Those with Genetic defects would not be allowed to breed. And the ones who need healthcare would be given it if they contribute enough to society to warrant it or otherwise be put out of their misery and turned into fertilizer.

Not sure I would consider that a "perfect world".

 

[Cecilie1200]

I’m just wondering what these proponents of single payer plan to do about the overcrowding of hospitals their system would bring.

Maybe you should ask why are capitalist based for profit hospitals overcrowded...

Because they accept patients who aren't all that profitable as well.

Suckers...

To some extent, they don't exactly have a choice.

Take where I live, for example. Medicare and Medicaid both reimburse well under the actual cost of the service, as a matter of policy. But a hospital in Phoenix, AZ, refusing to accept Medicare and Medicaid? Retirement and homeless mecca that this is? Yeah, there's a public relations nightmare in the making.

And let us not forget that they are legally required to provide certain types of care, regardless of ability to pay.

 

[g5000]

He’s in Hackensack hospital in New Jersey. Was suffering from nausea and wasn’t able to eat for a few days so we took him to the hospital. Now my question is that if we implement a single payer system doesn’t conventional wisdom tell us our hospitals will be even more overcrowded and of even less quality than they are now?

Actually, with single payer the poor would no longer have to use ERs as their primary care provider.

 

[Mr Natural]

Actually, with single payer the poor would no longer have to use ERs as their primary care provider.

Good point.

 

[Slyhunter]

He’s in Hackensack hospital in New Jersey. Was suffering from nausea and wasn’t able to eat for a few days so we took him to the hospital. Now my question is that if we implement a single payer system doesn’t conventional wisdom tell us our hospitals will be even more overcrowded and of even less quality than they are now?

Actually, with single payer the poor would no longer have to use ERs as their primary care provider.

Nobody can force doctors and/or hospitals to take their insurance. Single payer will mean a large percentage of the population can't use certain Doctors and/or Hospitals without cash in hand.

 

[Gornoodle]

Single payer is far cheaper to the country. It is about half the cost in other industrial countries. It also covers everybody. That allows poor people to go to doctors regularly and treat pre-existing conditions like diabetes. They will not have to wait until they are so sick, they go to the ER. It eliminates the insurance companies whose profits are increased by refusing procedures you have paid for. They only add cost and complication to health services while making it an adversarial event. Our system is simply wrong and cruel. t is what for-profit always delivers. High prices, and slashing and cutting care while jacking up prices over and over.

 

[Rocko]

I’m just wondering what these proponents of single payer plan to do about the overcrowding of hospitals their system would bring.

Maybe you should ask why are capitalist based for profit hospitals overcrowded...

So giving everyone medical coverage is going to decrease the demand?

You’re right, the system socks now. Hospitals are understaffed and overwhelmed, but single payer is only going to make the problem worse.

 

[Rocko]

Actually, with single payer the poor would no longer have to use ERs as their primary care provider.

Good point.

Not really. A lot of poor people get treated in emergency rooms and then sent home. Maybe the ER’s would be less packed but the demand for people who want inpatient care will increase with single payer.

 

[MarathonMike]

When my mother-in-Law was suffering from infections she would occasionally wait for 2 or 3 days for a room.
Nassau County hospitals were swamped with illegals.

Imagine what border state hospitals are dealing with. All those sick people pouring over the border, and you can bet your bottom dollar every one of them needs some level of medical attention. I have to believe Liberals would quickly see the light if their Father was denied care because the hospital was at 100% capacity and 20% was taken up by illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with lack of compassion. It has everything to do with America's limited resources and who gets priority for those resources.

 

[Indeependent]

When my mother-in-Law was suffering from infections she would occasionally wait for 2 or 3 days for a room.
Nassau County hospitals were swamped with illegals.

Imagine what border state hospitals are dealing with. All those sick people pouring over the border, and you can bet your bottom dollar every one of them needs some level of medical attention. I have to believe Liberals would quickly see the light if their Father was denied care because the hospital was at 100% capacity and 20% was taken up by illegal immigrants. It has nothing to do with lack of compassion. It has everything to do with America's limited resources and who gets priority for those resources.

Liberals are irrational masochists.