More progress on batteries

[Old Rocks]

There are many new battery chemistries in development. Most. like the sodium batteries promise far less cost, but also less energy density. This one from China, looks to cost more per Kg, but because of weight, less per battery pack with far higher density and much less weight. They are projecting a 220 lb battery with 600 miles range. Right now the best ternary batteries have about 400 miles range on a 1300 lb battery. So even if the battery cost double to produce, by range and power it would be less costly than the present batteries. Of course, like all things battery, the trick is getting the manufacturing process down.

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[1srelluc]

The chi-coms can win that "race" for all I care and sell the tech here for a king's ransom.

The EV craze here needs to die as it's driving the cost of sane cars too high.....The automotive industry can't be a slave to two mistresses.

 

[marvin martian]

There are many new battery chemistries in development. Most. like the sodium batteries promise far less cost, but also less energy density. This one from China, looks to cost more per Kg, but because of weight, less per battery pack with far higher density and much less weight. They are projecting a 220 lb battery with 600 miles range. Right now the best ternary batteries have about 400 miles range on a 1300 lb battery. So even if the battery cost double to produce, by range and power it would be less costly than the present batteries. Of course, like all things battery, the trick is getting the manufacturing process down.

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Where are we going to dispose of all these massive, toxic batteries?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The chi-coms can win that "race" for all I care and sell the tech here for a king's ransom.

The EV craze here needs to die as it's driving the cost of sane cars too high.....The automotive industry can't be a slave to two mistresses.

If government stays out of the way, the market will sort it out.

 

[Old Rocks]

Where are we going to dispose of all these massive, toxic batteries?

LOL By weight, those batteries are a very high grade ore.

 

[Old Rocks]

The chi-coms can win that "race" for all I care and sell the tech here for a king's ransom.

The EV craze here needs to die as it's driving the cost of sane cars too high.....The automotive industry can't be a slave to two mistresses.

The average cost of a new ICE car is now over 50K. And that has nothing to do with EV's.

 

[Viacheslav]

There are many new battery chemistries in development. Most. like the sodium batteries promise far less cost, but also less energy density. This one from China, looks to cost more per Kg, but because of weight, less per battery pack with far higher density and much less weight. They are projecting a 220 lb battery with 600 miles range. Right now the best ternary batteries have about 400 miles range on a 1300 lb battery. So even if the battery cost double to produce, by range and power it would be less costly than the present batteries. Of course, like all things battery, the trick is getting the manufacturing process down.

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So what is the final energy density? Just in case, remember that energy density is measured not in kilometers, but in Watt-hours per kilogram or megajoules per kilogram.

 

[fncceo]

Where are we going to dispose of all these massive, toxic batteries?

Blue cities.

 

[Captain Caveman]

If government stays out of the way, the market will sort it out.

Yes, I agree, keep governments out of cars and leave it to the market. That way, EV's will quietly die away.

 

[Old Rocks]

So what is the final energy density? Just in case, remember that energy density is measured not in kilometers, but in Watt-hours per kilogram or megajoules per kilogram.

There are three measurements of concern for batteries. Safety, price, and energy density. Many of the new chemistries will not catch fire or explode. Several of them are far less costly than present Lithium batteries, even though they are less energy dense. For urban travel, they do not need large range. And a few of the batteries promise far higher energy densities.

Of course, as with anything else, getting from the lab to mass production is far more difficult than just building a prototype. However, we are already seeing sodium batteries being produced, LFP batteries have replaced standard lithium in many applications because of price and safety. And if someone can start producing a less costly much higher energy density battery that is safe, they are instantly wealthy.

 

[marvin martian]

Blue cities.

Great idea!

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, I agree, keep governments out of cars and leave it to the market. That way, EV's will quietly die away.

LOL

9.2%

How​

In 2024, electric vehicles (EVs) accounted for 9.2% of all new car registrations in the U.S., an increase from 1.2 percentage points from 2023. This represents a significant shift from the 90.3% market share of gas-powered vehicles in the same month. The EV market is projected to grow at a 10.54% compound annual growth rate (CAGR) through 2029, reaching an estimated value of $156.3 billion. This growth reflects the increasing acceptance and adoption of electric vehicles as a core part of the American automotive landscape.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=24cb...N2E1MTYwM2IyNmNhMzBhOTZiMzVjMDI3NTZkMTc&ntb=1
As the batteries get more energy dense, safer, and less costly, we will see consumers shifting to EV's because of cost and cost of fuel. Also, they are already building EV's that can power your home or become part of grid storage. ICE cars are simply too complex and wear out too quickly to compete with the EV's we will see in the next 5 years.

 

[Captain Caveman]

LOL

9.2%

How​

In 2024, electric vehicles (EVs) accounted for 9.2% of all new car registrations in the U.S., an increase from 1.2 percentage points from 2023. This represents a significant shift from the 90.3% market share of gas-powered vehicles in the same month. The EV market is projected to grow at a 10.54% compound annual growth rate (CAGR) through 2029, reaching an estimated value of $156.3 billion. This growth reflects the increasing acceptance and adoption of electric vehicles as a core part of the American automotive landscape.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=24cb...N2E1MTYwM2IyNmNhMzBhOTZiMzVjMDI3NTZkMTc&ntb=1
As the batteries get more energy dense, safer, and less costly, we will see consumers shifting to EV's because of cost and cost of fuel. Also, they are already building EV's that can power your home or become part of grid storage. ICE cars are simply too complex and wear out too quickly to compete with the EV's we will see in the next 5 years.

Are you sure it's just the batteries getting more dense. If 33% of motorists can't charge an EV from home, what makes you think the EV will power the house?

"Just going to work luv"

"Sorry honey you can't, I flattened the car battery cooking the chicken and ironing your underpants last night"

 

[Captain Caveman]

Old Rocks when you worked in the factory, who in there paid your wage?

Just gauging your depth of knowledge and subjects.

 

[Viacheslav]

There are three measurements of concern for batteries. Safety, price, and energy density.

The main characteristic of a battery is energy density/capacity, which is what you need to take into account, and I didn’t find the energy density value for a battery in your article. But the fact that they talk about some kilometers speaks more about manipulation or an illiterate journalist. Because in that case, there's a lot of room for speculation: we don't know what kind of electric car it was, or under what conditions the test was conducted (maybe it was constantly driving downhill). The Guinness Book of Records lists a record for a diesel Skoda driving 2,831 kilometers on a single tank, or a consumption of 2.61 liters per hundred kilometers. But that's just a record, and it's a very precise test of driving that has nothing to do with everyday driving.

 

[Old Rocks]

Are you sure it's just the batteries getting more dense. If 33% of motorists can't charge an EV from home, what makes you think the EV will power the house?

"Just going to work luv"

"Sorry honey you can't, I flattened the car battery cooking the chicken and ironing your underpants last night"

99% of ICE motorists cannot power their cars from home at present. So if 67% of motorists with EV's can power their cars from home, that will be a very big improvement on the ability to power one's vehicle from home. Unless there is a grid failure, why would one power your whole house from your vehicle? And most vehicle batteries would be good for at least two days of power for the house. But I am sure that you can find other reasons that EV's surely cannot work, as you stand in the horse turds by the road, shouting "Get a Horse!" LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

The main characteristic of a battery is energy density/capacity, which is what you need to take into account, and I didn’t find the energy density value for a battery in your article. But the fact that they talk about some kilometers speaks more about manipulation or an illiterate journalist. Because in that case, there's a lot of room for speculation: we don't know what kind of electric car it was, or under what conditions the test was conducted (maybe it was constantly driving downhill). The Guinness Book of Records lists a record for a diesel Skoda driving 2,831 kilometers on a single tank, or a consumption of 2.61 liters per hundred kilometers. But that's just a record, and it's a very precise test of driving that has nothing to do with everyday driving.

That is correct. So here is one of the Chinese battery manufactures claims for their battery;

"Chinese automaker Chery has revealed a breakthrough solid-state battery module boasting 600 Wh/kg of energy density, nearly double that of today’s best lithium-ion EV packs. The company claims the technology could enable a driving range of up to 1,300 km (808 miles) on a single charge, setting a new benchmark in the race toward next-generation batteries."

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[kyzina]

If government stays out of the way, the market will sort it out.

But the gov never stays out of the way.

 

[Viacheslav]

Chinese automaker Chery has revealed a breakthrough solid-state battery module boasting 600 Wh/kg of energy density, nearly double that of today’s best lithium-ion EV packs. The company claims the technology could enable a driving range of up to 1,300 km (808 miles) on a single charge, setting a new benchmark in the race toward next-generation batteries."

It sounds promising, with an energy density three to four times greater than lithium batteries. Let's wait until they enter production so we can buy these batteries.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Where are we going to dispose of all these massive, toxic batteries?

Land fill.