More bad news for Tesla!!

[skookerasbil]

Electric cars a probably good for people who drive short distances to work.
They are cheaper to drive per mile than gas cars.
People can recharge them in their garage.

Electric Cars vs Gas Cars: What Do They Cost? | EnergySage

A 2018 study from the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute found that electric vehicles cost less than half as much to operate as gas-powered cars. The average cost to operate an EV in the United States is $485 per year, while the average for a gasoline-powered vehicle is $1,117.

Yeah but the public doesnt want them. Way too expensive. Nobody wants to stop to charge up for an hour at some shithole rest stop. Too, in the future, the ones that can go 500 miles and be decent cars will cost a fortune.

Anyway....Ford sold more Focus sedans and hatchbacks than all EV sales combined. People still love their gas powered vehicles.

 

[SSDD]

Ooooopsie......more downsizing. And the dopey-ass Tesla head, Musk now admitting that competing with conventional cares " going to be difficult." Well doy....I've been saying that for 10 years s0n.

Tesla shares plunge after job cuts, as Elon Musk sees a 'very difficult' road ahead

Does prove that even the most pronounced bubble dwellers have some hope.....

Yeah, any business built on government support.. is a bad business model.

Plus, any business built on assumed market prices, is a bust too.

Years ago Exxon Mobile issued a report on why the company was not investing into big green energy programs like BP and Chevron.

The answer was pretty clean. They did a risk assessment.
1. The risk of oil prices continuing to climb (this was the mid-2000s when oil prices were high), and due to higher prices, having a lower demand.
2. The risk of oil prices dropping, and rendering green energy investments into a unprofitable loss.

They determined there was a far greater risk of prices dropping, and resulting in a massive loss, than there was a risk of losing revenue from much higher prices.

I just filled up for $1.86 /gal. Exxon was right. Elon Musk was wrong.

If gas prices had continued up over $4/gal, Elon's bet might have paid off. He was wrong. It's no more complex or interesting than that.

Well at some point we likely will have to go bio diesel or electric.
There just is not even 20 years worth of oil left.
But we do have several hundred years worth of coal.

We will never run out of oil...it is created in the mantle of the earth...how long has it been since anyone even mentioned "peak oil".

 

[Crick]

Petroleum is NOT created in the mantle of the Earth. It will become more and more rare and more and more expensive to extract. This is more trolling.

How long has it been since anyone mentioned "peak oil"?

Peak oil - Wikipedia

 

[Crepitus]

About two years ago, a couple of climate crusaders were telling us that electric Harleys were gonna be the next big thing!

Electric motorcycles are much more powerful than Harley's.

Don't sound the same though.

So why are you kids thrilled that a company is having trouble? IIThought you were all about the big corps over the little guy?

 

[jc456]

Ooooopsie......more downsizing. And the dopey-ass Tesla head, Musk now admitting that competing with conventional cares " going to be difficult." Well doy....I've been saying that for 10 years s0n.

Tesla shares plunge after job cuts, as Elon Musk sees a 'very difficult' road ahead

Does prove that even the most pronounced bubble dwellers have some hope.....

Yeah, any business built on government support.. is a bad business model.

Plus, any business built on assumed market prices, is a bust too.

Years ago Exxon Mobile issued a report on why the company was not investing into big green energy programs like BP and Chevron.

The answer was pretty clean. They did a risk assessment.
1. The risk of oil prices continuing to climb (this was the mid-2000s when oil prices were high), and due to higher prices, having a lower demand.
2. The risk of oil prices dropping, and rendering green energy investments into a unprofitable loss.

They determined there was a far greater risk of prices dropping, and resulting in a massive loss, than there was a risk of losing revenue from much higher prices.

I just filled up for $1.86 /gal. Exxon was right. Elon Musk was wrong.

If gas prices had continued up over $4/gal, Elon's bet might have paid off. He was wrong. It's no more complex or interesting than that.

Well at some point we likely will have to go bio diesel or electric.
There just is not even 20 years worth of oil left.
But we do have several hundred years worth of coal.

how do you know this? there could be oil for eternity. you have no idea how it is created. If you believe it is from dinosaurs, I laugh at you.

 

[skookerasbil]

Petroleum is NOT created in the mantle of the Earth. It will become more and more rare and more and more expensive to extract. This is more trolling.

How long has it been since anyone mentioned "peak oil"?

Peak oil - Wikipedia

s0n........Ive said for a long long time you are a deep matrix guy. You'd buy a bag of dog doo for $5,000 if it was put on display just right!!

Wikipedia

"Peak oil" is a myth........doy.

 

[skookerasbil]

Peak Oil: Theory or Myth?

Not Wikipedia

 

[SSDD]

Petroleum is NOT created in the mantle of the Earth. It will become more and more rare and more and more expensive to extract. This is more trolling.

How long has it been since anyone mentioned "peak oil"?

Peak oil - Wikipedia

Interesting how you are always a dupe for large corporations who have something to sell and use fear as a means to keep the price up...

 

[SSDD]

Petroleum is NOT created in the mantle of the Earth. It will become more and more rare and more and more expensive to extract. This is more trolling.

How long has it been since anyone mentioned "peak oil"?

Peak oil - Wikipedia

s0n........Ive said for a long long time you are a deep matrix guy. You'd buy a bag of dog doo for $5,000 if it was put on display just right!!

Wikipedia

"Peak oil" is a myth........doy.

He is a dupe for any major corporation who has something they want to sell for a lot of money and uses fear as a means to keep the price up.

 

[Wuwei]

We will never run out of oil...it is created in the mantle of the earth...how long has it been since anyone even mentioned "peak oil".

That's right, we will never run out of oil. But we will stop using it well before it reaches $10,000 a barrel. Even if there is oil deep in the mantle, we will stop mining it when the energy required for extraction equals the energy we get from the oil extracted.

 

[Pilot1]

That's right, we will never run out of oil. But we will stop using it well before it reaches $10,000 a barrel. Even if there is oil deep in the mantle, we will stop mining it when the energy required for extraction equals the energy we get from the oil extracted.

We have centuries of accessible and inexpensive fossil fuels in the United States. You do realize that a lot of Natural Gas, and Oil also goes to the production of PLASTIC to make things like your precious I Phone, or car parts, and most other products.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Worse news is competitors vehicles are on the showfloors and drawing rave reviews....

 

[Wuwei]

That's right, we will never run out of oil. But we will stop using it well before it reaches $10,000 a barrel. Even if there is oil deep in the mantle, we will stop mining it when the energy required for extraction equals the energy we get from the oil extracted.

We have centuries of accessible and inexpensive fossil fuels in the United States. You do realize that a lot of Natural Gas, and Oil also goes to the production of PLASTIC to make things like your precious I Phone, or car parts, and most other products.

This chart of Energy Return on Energy Investment a great way to understand the real costs of different technologies without using a monetary system. This measure tells us how much energy is needed to extract, process, and transport energy by various technologies. Once the ERoEI reaches 1, there is no point in using that technology. This is a great article published 2014.

EROEI = Energy Delivered / Energy Required to Deliver that Energy

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301421513003856

In the early 1900's the energy of only one barrel of oil was needed to get 100 barrels out of the ground. Note in the chart how much oil production looses efficiency as time goes on. Off-shore rigs require a lot of energy to get oil. Tar sands (not shown here) are only around 5. Biofuels are almost worthless as an energy source.

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[skookerasbil]

That's right, we will never run out of oil. But we will stop using it well before it reaches $10,000 a barrel. Even if there is oil deep in the mantle, we will stop mining it when the energy required for extraction equals the energy we get from the oil extracted.

We have centuries of accessible and inexpensive fossil fuels in the United States. You do realize that a lot of Natural Gas, and Oil also goes to the production of PLASTIC to make things like your precious I Phone, or car parts, and most other products.

Progressives are fine going to wooden phones.

 

[mamooth]

We have centuries of accessible and inexpensive fossil fuels in the United States. You do realize that a lot of Natural Gas, and Oil also goes to the production of PLASTIC to make things like your precious I Phone,

Great. Another Apple fanboi.

But then, all the deniers here also appear to be abiotic oil cranks, so they'll clearly fall for anything.

 

[Pilot1]

Fossils fuels RUN THE WORLD. Why demonize them? Don't like them? YOU give them up first. Stop trying to force YOUR will on others for every issue.

 

[skookerasbil]

Fossils fuels RUN THE WORLD. Why demonize them? Don't like them? YOU give them up first. Stop trying to force YOUR will on others for every issue.

Well put.....these mutherfuckers are miserable human racists. Thankfully, they are fringe mutherfuckers.

 

[Old Rocks]

About two years ago, a couple of climate crusaders were telling us that electric Harleys were gonna be the next big thing!

LiveWire Electric Motorcycle | Harley-Davidson USA

While not the big thing, definately a thing this year. But not competitive with a Lightning.

 

[Old Rocks]

Most businesses setting out to make the world more culturally "good", have a problem with survival.

It is not an abstraction. There simply is not enough oil.
It can't be continued very long.

But electric vehicles do not solve anything either, as there still has to be some source of energy.
With oil, it was ancient sunlight.
Coal also is ancient sunlight.
But fracking natural gas is even dirtier than coal.

I prefer bio diesel, but that will compete with food for agricultural space.

Silly ass, here is the answer to your nonsense.

Levelized Cost of Energy and Levelized Cost of Storage 2018

Lazard’s latest annual Levelized Cost of Energy Analysis (LCOE 12.0) shows a continued decline in the cost of generating electricity from alternative energy technologies, especially utility-scale solar and wind. In some scenarios, alternative energy costs have decreased to the point that they are now at or below the marginal cost of conventional generation.

Additional highlights from LCOE 12.0:

The low end levelized cost of onshore wind-generated energy is $29/MWh, compared to an average illustrative marginal cost of $36/MWh for coal. The levelized cost of utility-scale solar is nearly identical to the illustrative marginal cost of coal, at $36/MWh. This comparison is accentuated when subsidizing onshore wind and solar, which results in levelized costs of energy of $14/MWh and $32/MWh, respectively.

 

[Old Rocks]

Two things are driving this.

1. People realize Man Made Climate Change is a Hoax, and a government Scam.

2. Energy prices, including gasoline, are low due in part to increased U.S. fossil fuel production.

One thing, you are evidently a scientifically ignorant ass. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that say that AGW is real, and that it is a clear and present danger.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/8191...limate-change-clear-present-danger-poll-shows

Americans' attitudes toward climate change have changed quite dramatically in just a few years, with almost half now seeing it as an immediate threat.

In a poll released Tuesday, 48 percent of Americans said that people in the U.S. are being harmed by climate change "right now," Axios reports. This is an increase of 16 percentage points since that question was asked in March 2015, and an increase of nine points since it was asked in March 2018. Going back even further, in January 2010, only 24 percent of Americans said climate change was currently causing harm.

Americans, according to this poll, no longer simply see climate change as a problem that their kids or their grandkids will have to deal with. Instead, 49 percent said they believe they will be personally harmed by it. Additionally, 72 percent of Americans said climate change is an important issue for them, up from 63 percent last year and 55 percent in 2013. And 69 percent said they're very or somewhat worried about it, up from 52 percent in March 2015.

Overall, 73 percent said that climate change is occurring, compared to 57 percent in 2010, while just 14 percent said it's not occurring. This shift in attitude correspondents with Americans growing more informed on the issue, as 57 percent now acknowledge that most scientists agree climate change is happening, up from 40 percent in March 2015 and 33 percent in 2010.