Mohammed cartoon contest: Protest held outside Phoenix mosque

[Brian_1349]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

 

[Moonglow]

Rip off the Burka, grab a Budwieser and have sex with a Pagan...

 

[Geaux4it]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

 

[Sunni Man]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

All this ill conceived stunt did was alienate further the American muslim community. .......

 

[PaintMyHouse]

70 years ago they would have been protesting the Japs, and the Jews. American xenophobes, meaning mental children, at work.

 

[Czernobog]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Actually, I would respectfully disagree. The point of free speech isn't so that the flower children can run around spreading love, peace, happiness (yes, that was a "Hair" reference) to everyone. That speech doesn't need protecting - everyone's kinda okay with happy, sunshiny speech. No. The free speech clause of the first amendment is there to protect the Grand Dragon of the KKK, the leader of the Neo-NAZIs, the racist, the homophobe, the religious zealot, and the bigot. You see, it is their speeches that rational, reasonable, intelligent people find disgusting, hateful, and reprobate. Which makes it very easy to justify allowing people to silence them, and deny them their "fifteen minutes of fame". However, if we do not just as diligently defend that right for those whose speech we despise, and those with whom we, however violently, disagree then we are conceding that speech is not a "right", but a "privilege". And, if speech is a "privilege", then just who gets to be the arbiter who decides who is "worthy" of that privilege, and by what authority?

 

[Kondor3]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

All this ill conceived stunt did was alienate further the American muslim community. .......

That seems to be the idea...

 

[Geaux4it]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

All this ill conceived stunt did was alienate further the American muslim community. .......

BFD

 

[Kondor3]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Yes.

I'm not a fan of Islam - as a matter of fact, I think it's too alien and too incompatible with Western culture and democracy to survive here in its mainstream form - and I believe that it poses a worldwide danger to the peace over the coming decades.

Yet - this is a level of provocation - based purely on hatred - that even an anti-Islamic type like me, is willing to say that this was just plain wrong.

An art-contest? No problem. Caricaturizing Uncle Mo? No problem.

But, right outside a place of worship? Nope. Encouraging the participants to 'come packing' (firearms)? Nope.

Kristallnacht Lite?

Makes us look as bad as the Muslim Brotherhood types stirring-up shit outside of Coptic churches in Egypt, and others in the Middle East who persecute Christians.

Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing.

I know that same counter-argument has been used to try to slap down the original cartoon-contest some weeks ago, and I ignored the counter-argument then.

I don't really care.

The contest right outside a place of worship, coupled with the call to bring-along firearms, was, to my tiny little brain, taking it one or two notches too far.

Crossing a line that probably should not have been crossed.

Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing.

Which - for my money - is what happened here.

 

[rightwinger]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

You are judged on your speech

The protesters behavior does not put them in a good light

 

[Czernobog]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

You are judged on your speech

The protesters behavior does not put them in a good light

Irrelevant. The whole point of free speech is that you are also free to be a dick.

 

[Geaux4it]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

You are judged on your speech

The protesters behavior does not put them in a good light

Ok, so what? It's always been that way. One has to decide how they want to be judged by speech and or the company they keep

-Geaux

 

[rightwinger]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

You are judged on your speech

The protesters behavior does not put them in a good light

Irrelevant. The whole point of free speech is that you are also free to be a dick.

And others are free to point out what a dick you are

 

[rightwinger]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

You are judged on your speech

The protesters behavior does not put them in a good light

Ok, so what? It's always been that way. One has to decide how they want to be judged by speech and or the company they keep

-Geaux

If they were there to make a point that Muslims are violent....They didn't
If they wanted to make a point about religious intolerance .....They did, but not the point they wanted to make

 

[Czernobog]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Freedom of Speech

Next?

-Geaux

You are judged on your speech

The protesters behavior does not put them in a good light

Irrelevant. The whole point of free speech is that you are also free to be a dick.

And others are free to point out what a dick you are

Point it out? Yes. Try to stop it? No.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If they were there to make a point that Muslims are violent....They didn't
If they wanted to make a point about religious intolerance .....They did, but not the point they wanted to make

Yeppers...

Welcome to a long American tradition, denouncing the religion of the other guy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Yes.

I'm not a fan of Islam - as a matter of fact, I think it's too alien and too incompatible with Western culture and democracy to survive here in its mainstream form - and I believe that it poses a worldwide danger to the peace over the coming decades.

Yet - this is a level of provocation - based purely on hatred - that even an anti-Islamic type like me, is willing to say that this was just plain wrong.

An art-contest? No problem. Caricaturizing Uncle Mo? No problem.

But, right outside a place of worship? Nope. Encouraging the participants to 'come packing' (firearms)? Nope.

Kristallnacht Lite?

Makes us look as bad as the Muslim Brotherhood types stirring-up shit outside of Coptic churches in Egypt, and others in the Middle East who persecute Christians.

Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing.

I know that same counter-argument has been used to try to slap down the original cartoon-contest some weeks ago, and I ignored the counter-argument then.

I don't really care.

The contest right outside a place of worship, coupled with the call to bring-along firearms, was, to my tiny little brain, taking it one or two notches too far.

Crossing a line that probably should not have been crossed.

Just because we CAN do a thing does not mean that we SHOULD do a thing.

Which - for my money - is what happened here.

What is the "mainstream form" of Islam for American Muslims? Please describe it.

 

[rightwinger]

If they were there to make a point that Muslims are violent....They didn't
If they wanted to make a point about religious intolerance .....They did, but not the point they wanted to make

Yeppers...

Welcome to a long American tradition, denouncing the religion of the other guy.

In a nation founded on religious freedom we have a long tradition of "my religion is better than your religion"

 

[Delta4Embassy]

His T-shirt pretty much says it all: "F--- Islam." Some of the counterprotesters wore shirts that said, "Love Thy Neighbor."

Protests counterprotest outside Phoenix mosque - CNN.com

There is one little fact I want to draw your attention to. While protesters advocate pure hatred, counterprotesters preach for love and tolerance. I think it is easy to understand who is right and who is wrong in this situation. Hatred doesn't work and it never will. What do you think young Muslims, friendly to American society, will think about the United States after seeing these pictures and reading "F*** Islam" logos?

Fully support the activity last night. Until we show how some Muslims are so irrational and prone to violence by deliberately provoking them we can never have an honest discussion about the lunacy of ALL religions.

If you react violently because some dare make fun of your imaginary friends GFY.

While the group in question may well be a bigoted hate-group, that doesn't take away from their point. Nor does it invalidate it. Islam is the only major reliigon right now where if you mock it, some tend to get violent. If we need to hold up why religion is screwed up and dangerous by poking Islam and mocking mighty Mo' so be it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Organizer of Phoenix Anti-Islam Rally Going Into Hiding, Says ‘Tyranny Is in America’
by Josh Feldman | 11:23 pm, May 29th, 2015 video 1132








Jon Ritzheimer, the ex-Marine behind tonight’s anti-Islam rally in Phoenix, told reporters tonight that he’ll be going into hiding for his own safety and the safety of his family.


He said the rally was peaceful throughout, thanked the police for the job they’ve been doing, and said that there have been people “calling for folks to come and behead me,” which he decried as “tyranny” and “terrorism right here in America.”