Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR15 ownership

[HereWeGoAgain]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

 

[progressive hunter]

shall make no law is the 1st not the 2nd A,,,

and since the credit comes after purchase how are you dependent on them???

and you are not required to get the credit,,,

of course its a gimmick law, but the credit is a valid issue,,I would just make it no taxs on the purchase and a deduction since its a rights issue

The first is what sets the basis and tone for the entire Bill of Rights. It provides that these amendments are protections of the citizen, not permissions of the government.

The tax credit is an inducement. Additionally, the 2nd Amendment also implies, though it does not explicitly state, that if you don't wish to exercise your right to own a firearm, you have that right too.

No, this is a bad bill and should be shredded an burned, preferably before this guys eyes.

NOOO,,,the 1st is very specific and only concerns the 5 listed things stated in it and has nothing to do with any of the others,,

you do know its a gimmick law that is never meant to pass???

but as I said the taxs required on current purchases is an infringement today and should be removed,,,

Of course it pertains to the enumerated items in the amendment, but it also adheres to the concept found in all the other amendments known as the Bill of Rights. It cements the concept that these amendments are limitations on government.

I know that the only thing I want to hear from the government when it comes to My ownership of firearms is, "Sorry to have bothered you sir."

although I agree with the 2nd part,,,

the first part is off the wall,,each amendment is specific unto itself and has nothing to do with the others,,as to the first 10 they are specific as to what they say, some require the government not be involved while others give clear instruction as to what the government must do as per the 5th which has both instruction and restriction,,
trying to cross them over is what the progs have been doing to change it, and has caused the problems we currently have

Okay, I don't know why you have a blind spot here, but let Me try it this way.

The Bill of Rights is a limitation on Government, yes?

How do we know that they are limitations of government?

Because of how they are written.

Each one places a restriction on government, i.e., Shall not be infringed, Shall make no law, The right of the people, retained by the people., and so on and so on.

thats almost right,,as I said with the 5th,, it requires the government to give due process, but it also says they cant force us to testify against ourselves, so it has both requirements of government as well as restriction on government,,,

and each one is specific unto itself and has nothing to do with the others

 

[progressive hunter]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Nope,just like the AR comes in different calibers.

 

[Darkwind]

The first is what sets the basis and tone for the entire Bill of Rights. It provides that these amendments are protections of the citizen, not permissions of the government.

The tax credit is an inducement. Additionally, the 2nd Amendment also implies, though it does not explicitly state, that if you don't wish to exercise your right to own a firearm, you have that right too.

No, this is a bad bill and should be shredded an burned, preferably before this guys eyes.

NOOO,,,the 1st is very specific and only concerns the 5 listed things stated in it and has nothing to do with any of the others,,

you do know its a gimmick law that is never meant to pass???

but as I said the taxs required on current purchases is an infringement today and should be removed,,,

Of course it pertains to the enumerated items in the amendment, but it also adheres to the concept found in all the other amendments known as the Bill of Rights. It cements the concept that these amendments are limitations on government.

I know that the only thing I want to hear from the government when it comes to My ownership of firearms is, "Sorry to have bothered you sir."

although I agree with the 2nd part,,,

the first part is off the wall,,each amendment is specific unto itself and has nothing to do with the others,,as to the first 10 they are specific as to what they say, some require the government not be involved while others give clear instruction as to what the government must do as per the 5th which has both instruction and restriction,,
trying to cross them over is what the progs have been doing to change it, and has caused the problems we currently have

Okay, I don't know why you have a blind spot here, but let Me try it this way.

The Bill of Rights is a limitation on Government, yes?

How do we know that they are limitations of government?

Because of how they are written.

Each one places a restriction on government, i.e., Shall not be infringed, Shall make no law, The right of the people, retained by the people., and so on and so on.

thats almost right,,as I said with the 5th,, it requires the government to give due process, but it also says they cant force us to testify against ourselves, so it has both requirements of government as well as restriction on government,,,

and each one is specific unto itself and has nothing to do with the others

I have never said they did. They follow the same germane thought.

Okay, I'm done with this. I'm sure if you think about it, you'll get the point I'm making.

When the wording in the majority of the Bill of Rights places restrictions on government, it is obvious that we do not need government permission to exercise these rights.

That means if government says to Me, "Hey, I think you should own a gun and btw, I'll even give you a tax credit for it!" My reply is going to be simple.

Fuck off! I don't need your permission or approval.

 

[JGalt]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Ruger also made a Mini-30 in 7.62x39, not sure if they still do.

Mini-14's are pretty-looking but I wouldn't want another one. been there, done that. The early models had problem with barrel whip when they got warm, and the POI was all over the place.

I wanted a Mini-14 really badly when I lived in Texas, back in the early 2000's. I found a pawn shop that had a Korean-rework M1 Garand for $280. Evidently they had priced it too low and had just put it on the rack, so I bought it. I made a stupid trade by trading it to a gun shop for a Mini-14 with a 4X fixed scope. The darned thing wouldn't do 4" at 100 yards after the barrel got warm.

Stupid trade.

 

[progressive hunter]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Nope,just like the AR comes in different calibers.

thats because AR's are barbie dolls and you can change the barrel like a pair of shoes,

a mini-14 is and has always been a 223 or 556 which is the same thing

a mini-30 can do 30 caliber thats why they call it a 30

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Personally I love the AR platform.
More accurate than the mini and just as reliable.
I've shot thousands of rounds through my Sig AR and can count the number of failure to fire on one hand and they were due to cheap ammo.

 

[progressive hunter]

NOOO,,,the 1st is very specific and only concerns the 5 listed things stated in it and has nothing to do with any of the others,,

you do know its a gimmick law that is never meant to pass???

but as I said the taxs required on current purchases is an infringement today and should be removed,,,

Of course it pertains to the enumerated items in the amendment, but it also adheres to the concept found in all the other amendments known as the Bill of Rights. It cements the concept that these amendments are limitations on government.

I know that the only thing I want to hear from the government when it comes to My ownership of firearms is, "Sorry to have bothered you sir."

although I agree with the 2nd part,,,

the first part is off the wall,,each amendment is specific unto itself and has nothing to do with the others,,as to the first 10 they are specific as to what they say, some require the government not be involved while others give clear instruction as to what the government must do as per the 5th which has both instruction and restriction,,
trying to cross them over is what the progs have been doing to change it, and has caused the problems we currently have

Okay, I don't know why you have a blind spot here, but let Me try it this way.

The Bill of Rights is a limitation on Government, yes?

How do we know that they are limitations of government?

Because of how they are written.

Each one places a restriction on government, i.e., Shall not be infringed, Shall make no law, The right of the people, retained by the people., and so on and so on.

thats almost right,,as I said with the 5th,, it requires the government to give due process, but it also says they cant force us to testify against ourselves, so it has both requirements of government as well as restriction on government,,,

and each one is specific unto itself and has nothing to do with the others

I have never said they did. They follow the same germane thought.

Okay, I'm done with this. I'm sure if you think about it, you'll get the point I'm making.

When the wording in the majority of the Bill of Rights places restrictions on government, it is obvious that we do not need government permission to exercise these rights.

That means if government says to Me, "Hey, I think you should own a gun and btw, I'll even give you a tax credit for it!" My reply is going to be simple.

Fuck off! I don't need your permission or approval.

I dont think they are giving permission or approval ,,,that already exists as written in the 2nd

and this is about the 2nd and none of the others, they are separate and should be discussed in that way

 

[progressive hunter]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Personally I love the AR platform.
More accurate than the mini and just as reliable.
I've shot thousands of rounds through my Sig AR and can count the number of failure to fire on one hand and they were due to cheap ammo.

I agree on all of that except the reliable part,,after 20yrs and a lot of ammo I have not had a single jam, and I use mostly surplus ammo in 223 and 556,,it just dont matter which

the benefit of the ar is the removable barrel during combat where you can change it everyday,,a trigger change on a mini is prolly faster than the ar

 

[deannalw]

I love my "barbie doll". It's as accurate and trouble free as anyone could wish out of any firearm.

I can shoot a beetles butt at a billion feet.

Probably.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Ruger also made a Mini-30 in 7.62x39, not sure if they still do.

Mini-14's are pretty-looking but I wouldn't want another one. been there, done that. The early models had problem with barrel whip when they got warm, and the POI was all over the place.

It's made in three calibers that I know of.
And you're right about the barrel whip,they are known to be inaccurate due to that fact.
I'll take any mil spec AR over the mini everytime.

 

[progressive hunter]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Ruger also made a Mini-30 in 7.62x39, not sure if they still do.

Mini-14's are pretty-looking but I wouldn't want another one. been there, done that. The early models had problem with barrel whip when they got warm, and the POI was all over the place.

I wanted a Mini-14 really badly when I lived in Texas, back in the early 2000's. I found a pawn shop that had a Korean-rework M1 Garand for $280. Evidently they had priced it too low and had just put it on the rack, so I bought it. I made a stupid trade by trading it to a gun shop for a Mini-14 with a 4X fixed scope. The darned thing wouldn't do 4" at 100 yards after the barrel got warm.

Stupid trade.

who wouldnt want an M-1,,,you can crawl out of a mud bog and just start shooting

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Republicans are dumb....

 

[progressive hunter]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Ruger also made a Mini-30 in 7.62x39, not sure if they still do.

Mini-14's are pretty-looking but I wouldn't want another one. been there, done that. The early models had problem with barrel whip when they got warm, and the POI was all over the place.

It's made in three calibers that I know of.
And you're right about the barrel whip,they are known to be inaccurate due to that fact.
I'll take any mil spec AR over the mini everytime.

the mini -14 is made in one caliber,,,thats why its a 14 and not a 30

 

[JGalt]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Ruger also made a Mini-30 in 7.62x39, not sure if they still do.

Mini-14's are pretty-looking but I wouldn't want another one. been there, done that. The early models had problem with barrel whip when they got warm, and the POI was all over the place.

It's made in three calibers that I know of.
And you're right about the barrel whip,they are known to be inaccurate due to that fact.
I'll take any mil spec AR over the mini everytime.

But you'd have to admit, they looked kinda cool on the A-Team television shows. Except with all that shooting they did, they never seemed to hit anyone.

 

[MAGAman]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

No.

If the government is required to purchase your rights for you, then you are beholden to them.

The Second Amendment says I have a right to bear arms. It does NOT say I have a right to have anyone pay for it.

This is as bad as a gun ban bill.

What next? A bill requiring you to vote and some cash to go vote too?

a tax credit is not them buying it for you,,,in fact it would fall under your right of not being infringed by costing you money,,,paying taxs on arms is an infringement,,,

and you dont need money to vote,,just walk your happy ass to the booth and vote

1. They allow you to keep more of your money. Sounds like a bribe to Me.

2. Congress shall make no law.....and 'Shall not be infringed'.

Handing out tax credits is making a law, and more important, you will now be dependant upon the government for your second amendment rights.


You have the right to bear arms. You have this right not because of government, but because it is a right.

Don't let government into the equation at all.

Correct

Government doesn't grant rights.

Governments protect rights or ignore them.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Missouri lawmaker introduces bill that would require AR-15 ownership
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) – A bill introduced in Missouri would require residents to own AR-15 guns.
Andrew McDaniel (R-Deering) introduced House Bill 1108 late last month. The bill would establish the McDaniel Militia Act, “which requires every person between 18 and 35 years of age who can legally possess a firearm to own an AR-15 and authorizes a tax credit for a purchase of an AR-15.”







Even if it goes nowhere the guy put it out there, the laws are getting crazy why in the hell couldn't it work.
Now this is one guy whose talking. Reminds me of Switzerland where everyone is required to own a gun they have the lowest crime rates in the world oh imagine that. I wonder why that might be......Duuuuh.

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Personally I love the AR platform.
More accurate than the mini and just as reliable.
I've shot thousands of rounds through my Sig AR and can count the number of failure to fire on one hand and they were due to cheap ammo.

I agree on all of that except the reliable part,,after 20yrs and a lot of ammo I have not had a single jam, and I use mostly surplus ammo in 223 and 556,,it just dont matter which

the benefit of the ar is the removable barrel during combat where you can change it everyday,,a trigger change on a mini is prolly faster than the ar

Trigger changes are rare. They'll usually last the life of the rifle.
My biggest problem with the mini is inaccuracy. I wouldnt want to face an AR with a mini at distance just like I wouldnt want to face an .338 Lapua at distance with an AR.

 

[rightwinger]

I’d rather have a big stick with a nail in it

B

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

AR's are just barbie dolls for men,,,give me a mini-14 anyday

In what caliber?

last I heard a mini-14 has only one caliber

Ruger also made a Mini-30 in 7.62x39, not sure if they still do.

Mini-14's are pretty-looking but I wouldn't want another one. been there, done that. The early models had problem with barrel whip when they got warm, and the POI was all over the place.

It's made in three calibers that I know of.
And you're right about the barrel whip,they are known to be inaccurate due to that fact.
I'll take any mil spec AR over the mini everytime.

the mini -14 is made in one caliber,,,thats why its a 14 and not a 30

So what does the 14 denote?
While they may call it by a different name it's still the same rifle.
Just like a .300 blackout in an AR platform