miss me yet ?

[blu]

Do you really not see the intellectual dishonesty in that statement? Not being rude, just wondering is all.

just because bush did it at a slower rate than obama doesn't change the overall numbers (I assume that is what you are referring to)

So you do recognize the intellectual dishonesty. OK. At least you admit that yer comparing apples to oranges. Carry on with your fallacy then.

so when I say bush has appointed more I am still correct right

 

[RadiomanATL]

just because bush did it at a slower rate than obama doesn't change the overall numbers (I assume that is what you are referring to)

So you do recognize the intellectual dishonesty. OK. At least you admit that yer comparing apples to oranges. Carry on with your fallacy then.

so when I say bush has appointed more I am still correct right

Yes, you are correct. Intellectually dishonest and purposefully deceitful as well.

Funny how the two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[ElmerMudd]

So you do recognize the intellectual dishonesty. OK. At least you admit that yer comparing apples to oranges. Carry on with your fallacy then.

so when I say bush has appointed more I am still correct right

Yes, you are correct. Intellectually dishonest and purposefully deceitful as well.

Funny how the two are not mutually exclusive.

At this point Bush and Obama have appointed about the same number of czars. Obama may never appoint another, he may appoint 50 more. This is a discussion for the end of his term.

The point is all these people criticizing Obama for appointing so many czars never criticized Bush for it.
That is intellectual dishonesty.

I criticized Bush on many issues but not for the number of czars he appointed.

 

[RadiomanATL]

so when I say bush has appointed more I am still correct right

Yes, you are correct. Intellectually dishonest and purposefully deceitful as well.

Funny how the two are not mutually exclusive.

At this point Bush and Obama have appointed about the same number of czars. Obama may never appoint another, he may appoint 50 more. This is a discussion for the end of his term.

The point is all these people criticizing Obama for appointing so many czars never criticized Bush for it.
That is intellectual dishonesty.

I criticized Bush on many issues but not for the number of czars he appointed.

It took Bush 8 years to appoint that many. It's taken Obama 250 days. To claim that the two are similar is intellectual dishonesty.

And I'm not criticizing either Obama or Bush for appointing as few or as many as they want. Czars are nothing more than presidential advisors in my book, and presidents can have as many as they want. I don't care. If a president wants to open themselves up to a defacto presidency by committee, thats their prerogative. It's their head on the chopping block, not the czars.

What I do care about is keeping the argument honest. And claiming b-b-b-b-b-but BOOOOOOSSSHHH is doing anything but that. Especially when the two situations are not comparable.

 

[k2skier]

at selling out, i mean apologizing for america ?

at appointing czars ?

at increasing deficits ?

at political scare tactics ?

at weakening our national defense ?

at being buddy buddy with brutal dictators ?

at uniting our country ?

at bi-partisanship ?

at making talk show appearances ?

at building cars ?



Wait, i got it:

At community organizing !

At reaching out to the world countries. the countries of the world except for Israel have more respect and a higher opinion of the USA than they have since prior to the Bush administration
He has appointed less czars than Bush
The deficits were started by Bush but Obama must pull back on the deficits over the next 3 years we will see what he does.
Political scare tactics?
He has refocused our war assets to Afghanistan where they should have been all along. He is bucking his parties request to pull out of Afghanistan by increasing troops in Afghanistan. He is refocusing strategies such as the missle defence to areas they will be more effective.
Every country in the world has more respect for the US including countries with brutal dictators. He has not given them anything. We have an opportunity to negotiate human rights in the countries with brutal dictators. We did not have this opportunity under Bush.
This country is torn on bipartisan lines. I don't think this is the result of Obama. All politicians are responsible.
He is visible to his constituents which Bush was not
The US car companies are building more cars than they were when he came into office.
He is a great community organizer.

What is your point except you do not really know what is going on in American politics

Oh neat, someone studied their obamabot talking points memo !

goodie, someone is barfing up repub propaganda...

 

[driveby]

At reaching out to the world countries. the countries of the world except for Israel have more respect and a higher opinion of the USA than they have since prior to the Bush administration
He has appointed less czars than Bush
The deficits were started by Bush but Obama must pull back on the deficits over the next 3 years we will see what he does.
Political scare tactics?
He has refocused our war assets to Afghanistan where they should have been all along. He is bucking his parties request to pull out of Afghanistan by increasing troops in Afghanistan. He is refocusing strategies such as the missle defence to areas they will be more effective.
Every country in the world has more respect for the US including countries with brutal dictators. He has not given them anything. We have an opportunity to negotiate human rights in the countries with brutal dictators. We did not have this opportunity under Bush.
This country is torn on bipartisan lines. I don't think this is the result of Obama. All politicians are responsible.
He is visible to his constituents which Bush was not
The US car companies are building more cars than they were when he came into office.
He is a great community organizer.

What is your point except you do not really know what is going on in American politics

Oh neat, someone studied their obamabot talking points memo !

goodie, someone is barfing up repub propaganda...

you should get a free USMB bumper sticker for your contribution to this thread ....

 

[rightwinger]

Lets see.....
A recent poll of historians had George Bush ranked 39 out of 43 Presidents. He ranked lower than LBJ, Nixon, Carter or any modern president.

Miss him?

Not by a long shot. Obama is correcting much of the damage inflicted by Bush but still has a long way to go to remove the "Stink of Bush"

Bush destroyed what once was the Grand Old Party and his negative impact on his party will last a generation

 

[amrchaos]

Honestly never thought i would, but the clown currently in charge is making me reconsider.......

Hell no---and wish your name become as cursed as Judas name is to the Catholics!

 

[The Rabbi]

He's been top notch at telling false anecdotes.
He's been Number One in alienating people not drinking his kool aid.
He's done a bang up job letting others set his policies.
He's first rate at poll watching.
He has no peer when it comes to selling allies down the river.
He is A Number One at appointing morons, tax cheats, and America-Haters to positions of authority
Yup, Obama is definitely better than Bush!

 

[MaggieMae]

At being President

at selling out, i mean apologizing for america ?

at appointing czars ?

at increasing deficits ?

at political scare tactics ?

at weakening our national defense ?

at being buddy buddy with brutal dictators ?

at uniting our country ?

at bi-partisanship ?

at making talk show appearances ?

at building cars ?



Wait, i got it:

At community organizing !

At reaching out to the world countries. the countries of the world except for Israel have more respect and a higher opinion of the USA than they have since prior to the Bush administration
He has appointed less czars than Bush
The deficits were started by Bush but Obama must pull back on the deficits over the next 3 years we will see what he does.
Political scare tactics?
He has refocused our war assets to Afghanistan where they should have been all along. He is bucking his parties request to pull out of Afghanistan by increasing troops in Afghanistan. He is refocusing strategies such as the missle defence to areas they will be more effective.
Every country in the world has more respect for the US including countries with brutal dictators. He has not given them anything. We have an opportunity to negotiate human rights in the countries with brutal dictators. We did not have this opportunity under Bush.
This country is torn on bipartisan lines. I don't think this is the result of Obama. All politicians are responsible.
He is visible to his constituents which Bush was not
The US car companies are building more cars than they were when he came into office.
He is a great community organizer.

What is your point except you do not really know what is going on in American politics

What's the point of trying (again and again and again) to explain it, Elmer. That lame list simply proves, again, that people like Driveby don't have a clue how much the entire landscape has changed since the economy tanked. And of course they're grasping at straws with the allegations that the country isn't safe anymore, blah blah blah.

It's pointless. So let the little children play.

 

[MaggieMae]

I already knew the answer, i wanted the other n00b to answer it since he made the stupid claim that Bush appointed more czars than Obama " would ever dream of ". How do you guys know how many czars Obama dreams of ? Anyway, kudos to you for the sooper dooper "homework" you did looking up your info on wiki, it's truely dazzling. I thought you moonbats liked welfare anyway ? ......

so you wanted me to give you numbers just so you could trash the post? what is the point of that? also are you going to make any sense in this thread and address the stuff from page 1 or just keep posting nonsense? who brought up welfare?

I don't think he knows any numbers. Facts just get in his way, obviously, or he wouldn't have posted such a dumb list of meaningless crap.

 

[MaggieMae]

Barry is excellent at insulting allies.

Sure, that's why he's got Russia on board to support new sanctions against Iran. The only reason he hasn't won over Hu (China) is because Iran is one of its biggest trade outlets.

Which ally has been insulted?

 

[rightwinger]

Barry is excellent at insulting allies.

Sure, that's why he's got Russia on board to support new sanctions against Iran. The only reason he hasn't won over Hu (China) is because Iran is one of its biggest trade outlets.

Which ally has been insulted?

Where have you been?

The British almost declared war because Michelle put her arm around the Queen

 

[MaggieMae]

No one respects him, except commie lefty loons and his acorn slaves!! Hope they have buyers remorse!!! In office almost a year and has done nothing!!!!! Show me the money er birth certificate!!! Lol

You're too retarded for me to bear. Neg'd.

She has exclusive membership.

 

[The Rabbi]

Lets see.....
A recent poll of historians had George Bush ranked 39 out of 43 Presidents. He ranked lower than LBJ, Nixon, Carter or any modern president.

Miss him?

Not by a long shot. Obama is correcting much of the damage inflicted by Bush but still has a long way to go to remove the "Stink of Bush"

Bush destroyed what once was the Grand Old Party and his negative impact on his party will last a generation

Most of his policies are continuations of what Bush did.
So how is that "correcting" the damage?

 

[rightwinger]

Lets see.....
A recent poll of historians had George Bush ranked 39 out of 43 Presidents. He ranked lower than LBJ, Nixon, Carter or any modern president.

Miss him?

Not by a long shot. Obama is correcting much of the damage inflicted by Bush but still has a long way to go to remove the "Stink of Bush"

Bush destroyed what once was the Grand Old Party and his negative impact on his party will last a generation

Most of his policies are continuations of what Bush did.
So how is that "correcting" the damage?

Lets see????

Reversed the relaxation of environmental restrictions
Reinstated worker protections
Passed stimulus legislation
Banned Torture
Repaired the damaged US reputation around the globe
Reinstated the war on terrorism by plussing up Afghanistan

 

[The Rabbi]

Please cite all those.

Stimulus legislation has been a joke. About 10% of it has been spent, mostly wasted btw.
Banned torture? What torture? He has set up a witch hunt of Bush personnel that will reduce the effectiveness of the CIA and other intelligence branches.
How did he repair damage to US reputation? The French are disgusted with him. The Czechs and Poles are disgusted with him. If you mean with Ghaddafi, who calls him "my son" you might have a point. But who wants that loon as a friend?
Reinstated the war on terrorism? He banned the use of the term! He has changed the mission in Afghanistan and made parameters such that it is unwinnable. He is ignoring the advice of his own generals.

More like:
Increased the deficit 4-fold beyond Bush.
Affirmed Bush's policy on detentions
Affirmed the military's dont ask dont tell
Affirmed Bush's policy on Iraq
Affirmed Bush's bail out policies on the auto industry
Need more?

 

[MaggieMae]

It took Bush 8 years to appoint that many. It's taken Obama 250 days. To claim that the two are similar is intellectual dishonesty.

And I'm not criticizing either Obama or Bush for appointing as few or as many as they want. Czars are nothing more than presidential advisors in my book, and presidents can have as many as they want. I don't care. If a president wants to open themselves up to a defacto presidency by committee, thats their prerogative. It's their head on the chopping block, not the czars.

What I do care about is keeping the argument honest. And claiming b-b-b-b-b-but BOOOOOOSSSHHH is doing anything but that. Especially when the two situations are not comparable.

They're not comparable, because some of the "czars" in the Obama administration are labeled that by Glenn Beck. It is (was) not their "titles" at all. Each of the ones that Beck went after turned out to be czars in name only--provided courtesy of Glenn Beck.

Czar is a nick name, not a job title
September 14, 2009
The Assoiciated Press

With the spin by the right wing media on the use of the word "Czar", a certain demographic of our country now believes people are actually holding jobs in the White House that have the title "Czar" in their job description.

The right wing talking heads play gloomy music while talking about Obama's "Czar‘s" and equating the job to Russia, or more to the point, communism.

That's right Fox News Channel wants you to think that Obama is hiring communists, socialists, Stalinists and all the other "ists" to work for him as a “Czar“.

Sean Hannity recently said of Obama‘s advisers that “they were unconfirmed, un-vetted and a shadow government“, in “The Land of the Czars“.

Then there is Glenn Beck, he’s on a personal jihad and targeting the President’s advisers with smears and lies.

Van Jones, the White House Council on Environmental Quality's Special Advisor for Green Jobs, or as Beck called him “the Green Czar”, a couple of weeks ago resigned after relentless smears by Fox news and Glenn Beck in particular. Jones said he became to much of a distraction and felt it was best for him to resign.

Now with Jones resignation Beck feels empowered and recently posted a message on his twitter account looking for what ever he can find on three more of President Obama‘s advisers, this is what the twit twittered: “Watch Dogs: FIND EVERYTHING YOU CAN ON CASS SUNSTEIN, MARK LLOYD AND CAROL BROWNER“

Cass Sunstein was confirmed last week by the Senate to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, or as Beck calls him, “the Regulatory Czar”, according to Beck, Cass Sunstein wants to allow lawyers for animals in courts. Beck said, "The day may not be far off, animal lawyers say, when animals are not only present in the court room but participating in the proceedings." This is typical crazy talk from Beck , but this dribble is everyday fodder for this man.

Back in July of this year the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) announced that Mark Lloyd had been named associate general counsel and chief diversity officer, or as Beck calls him, “the Diversity Czar”. And Carol Browner is the White House Coordinator of Energy and Climate Policy, or as Fox news calls her, "the Climate Czar".

The first use of the word “Czar” in the form the word is being used now, came from President Richard Nixon, when he was talking to William Simon, his Energy adviser and called him, my Energy Czar, a nick name, not a job title.

Every President since has had advisers whom the media dubs “Czars”, in fact most of the positions that President Obama’ has filled were created by previous Presidents.

Most of those adviser positions have never required a Senate confirmation like Hannity and Beck are demanding (which by the way is nonsensical) to be held for those who advise the President. Hannity and Beck never made such demands when Bush was President, his Fox buddy Karl Rove, was Bush‘s adviser, and they never demanded that he or any other Bush adviser go through a Senate confirmation.

But then again, the right wing spin machine has been making several outrageous demands of this President that they have never asked from any previous President, at least not the Republican ones.

Czar is a nick name, not a job title

 

[MaggieMae]

He's been top notch at telling false anecdotes.
He's been Number One in alienating people not drinking his kool aid.
He's done a bang up job letting others set his policies.
He's first rate at poll watching.
He has no peer when it comes to selling allies down the river.
He is A Number One at appointing morons, tax cheats, and America-Haters to positions of authority
Yup, Obama is definitely better than Bush!

Is that supposed to be an intellectual list as opposed to the stupid one?

 

[The Rabbi]

He's been top notch at telling false anecdotes.
He's been Number One in alienating people not drinking his kool aid.
He's done a bang up job letting others set his policies.
He's first rate at poll watching.
He has no peer when it comes to selling allies down the river.
He is A Number One at appointing morons, tax cheats, and America-Haters to positions of authority
Yup, Obama is definitely better than Bush!

Is that supposed to be an intellectual list as opposed to the stupid one?

For you there's no difference.
Point out what's wrong on it and we can talk. You might be right that Carter excelled in some of those things.