Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

Every cost associated with the making and selling of burgers had increased over the past 20 years except the minimum wage. Burger chains are recording record profits and yet somehow, the work for the people who make and sell the burgers is not worth more. That's some twisted logic you conservatives have got going there.

and yet somehow, the work for the people who make and sell the burgers is not worth more.

That could be related to supply and demand. If you allow millions of low-skilled illegal aliens to compete for those jobs, the higher supply of possible workers keeps wages from rising.
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it
so what do propose as a answer?

Instead of just complain about it?

What I think is the following

1. A two tier minimum wage:

One for teens 16 to 18 say $8.00 bucks an hour

One for Adults say $12 bucks an hour

2. No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

But you liberals don't want to talk about common sense just what you are spoon feed by your handlers at your favorite huffpost IE the topic of the day we must raise MW across the board .
 
I said it a few times on here, a company can pay a CEO what ever they like as long as it's not 20 times over the lowest employees

It helps small company's to compete against the big guys

A two tier MW helps teens get a job , hope in the hell holes of blue state cities
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it
so what do propose as a answer?

Instead of just complain about it?

What I think is the following

1. A two tier minimum wage:

One for teens 16 to 18 say $8.00 bucks an hour

One for Adults say $12 bucks an hour

2. No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

But you liberals don't want to talk about common sense just what you are spoon feed by your handlers at your favorite huffpost IE the topic of the day we must raise MW across the board .


No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

And the government has the right to dictate this why?

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

So they outsource the low paying jobs to independent contractors.
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it
so what do propose as a answer?

Instead of just complain about it?

What I think is the following

1. A two tier minimum wage:

One for teens 16 to 18 say $8.00 bucks an hour

One for Adults say $12 bucks an hour

2. No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

But you liberals don't want to talk about common sense just what you are spoon feed by your handlers at your favorite huffpost IE the topic of the day we must raise MW across the board .


No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

And the government has the right to dictate this why?

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

So they outsource the low paying jobs to independent contractors.
again do you have an Idea for a solution or are you part of the problem? And just wine and *****?
 
We need ideas dumb ***** and quit being the problem
 
Just now, I saw another report about the topic of minimum wage increase. This one was on CNN, hosted by Julie Banderas. She was talking to Scott Gamm, of HelpSaveMyDollars.com, a financial website focused on helping consumers save and learn about money. They were talking about the recent 14-1 vote by the city of Los Angeles to raise the minimum wage to $15 by 2020.

Scott might be well versed on various aspects pertaining to consumer finances but, on the minimum wage raise, he is waaay off the mark. He said three things about the minimum wage raise topic. And he was WRONG on all three. Gamm merely recited the 3 most commonly heard (and programmed) descriptions about minimum wage raises.

1. He said it would cause jobs to be lost. FALSE! Employers function with a number of employees that bring them the most income/profit. They CANNOT reduce staff. Any more or less employees results in SALES and income reduction. Layoffs result in losses, not gains.

2. He (and Banderas too) said prices would be raised (or fees created) to compensate for the wage losses, and these losses would just be "passed on" to the customers. More FALSE! scare talk. Businesses CANNOT raise prices because they are already fixed at a market price, related to maximization of sales/income. Any change in price (up or down) results in reduction of SALES and income.

3. He said businesses will move away from LA. FALSE! (in most cases). Does Gamm think that closing down a business and moving to another location can be done scott (no pun intended) free ? Depending on the business, moving costs can vary from just barely economical, to completely UNeconomical, and the latter is much more often the case. Imagine a machine shop with over 100 large production machines, having to pack then all up and move miles away. Some businesses could do it. Not many.

So here's the real crux of all this. As in 1000 other media reports I've seen on minimum wage increases, the most important aspect of this is NEVER MENTIONED. Not a word. That is the increase in DISPOSABLE INCOME resulting in INCREASES SALES$$$. All businesses get this, and generally it far outweighs labor increases, since the number of wage raised consumers (not just those at the minimum wage) by far outnumbers any one employer's workers who are getting wage increases.

Then there's also the fact that many business, while receiving this big SALES boost, do NOT have any wage loss at all. These are businesses who are mom & pop and have no employees, those whose workers are all working just on sales commission (car lots, furniture, real estate, insurance, etc), and third, those with skilled workers (ex. machine shops) whose workers all already get well over $15 hour, or whatever the MW would be raised to.

I think back to when I owned a business. I paid my commission salespeople $350/hour (in 2015 dollars), and they still were only receiving 15% of the sale. In all, I made fine profits and expanded the business. Biggest downer ? All the people who called in and said > "Sorry. I can't afford it." Of course they can't. Not one somebody out there is paying them a low minimum wage. To be successful in business, you have a lot fo things to do. But you can't do anything, if the public around you doesn't have money in their pockets to buy what you're trying to sell.

This is why Conservatives who support raising the MW nationwide, outnumber Conservatives who don't, 54% to 44%.

the most important aspect of this is NEVER MENTIONED. Not a word. That is the increase in DISPOSABLE INCOME resulting in INCREASES SALES$$$.

If I pay my employees another $500,000 a year, are my sales supposed to increase by $500,000?
Is that supposed to be an even trade?
I don't understand how you can be so dense. The economic benefits of raising the minimum wage would occur because the change would happen in the entire economy. Overall, a good portion of the economy would have more disposable income, so yeah, business in general would see an increase in demand.
LOL
What percentage of workers are at min wage? compare to the rest of the work force? entire economy?please!!!
 
He said it would cause jobs to be lost. FALSE! Employers function with a number of employees that bring them the most income/profit. They CANNOT reduce staff. Any more or less employees results in SALES and income reduction. Layoffs result in losses, not gains.

Where is the chart that shows employers the precise number of employees they should hire in order to get the most income/profit?


He (and Banderas too) said prices would be raised (or fees created) to compensate for the wage losses, and these losses would just be "passed on" to the customers. More FALSE! scare talk. Businesses CANNOT raise prices because they are already fixed at a market price, related to maximization of sales/income. Any change in price (up or down) results in reduction of SALES and income.
Where is the chart that shows employers the precise price level they need in order to get the most sales/income?

He said businesses will move away from LA. FALSE! (in most cases). Does Gamm think that closing down a business and moving to another location can be done scott (no pun intended) free ?

Did anyone say moving was free?

Depending on the business, moving costs can vary from just barely economical, to completely UNeconomical, and the latter is much more often the case. Imagine a machine shop with over 100 large production machines, having to pack then all up and move miles away.

Imagine a machine shop with over 100 large production machines, having to pay higher wages than the business could support. Imagine that business running at a loss, just because some politicians, who couldn't pass an Econ 101 class, created a stupid law.
Do you even realize how hollow this response is? You don't even have an argument. Any idiot taking an Econ class knows that consumer spending is what drives this economy. Consumer spending comes from paychecks. This isn't hard to grasp.

My refutation of the OP was shallow?
Hallow. It's nothing. No substance.
What came 1st,the job or the paycheck?
 
I see you never refuted my two tier MW is a great idea and I ripped it off from the liberals

If your up on your news the teen un employment is off the charts ridiculous high, but liberals don't care

16 to 17 years old can't vote

For that matter neither do republicans
 
What else are they gonna say? They'll always claim the 'Sky is Falling' if they have to pay someone a decent wage. Same ole same ole there. But the reality is, life will go on. The sky won't fall. They'll ***** & moan for awhile about having to pay better, and then they'll shut up and deal with it. It is what it is.
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it
so what do propose as a answer?

Instead of just complain about it?

What I think is the following

1. A two tier minimum wage:

One for teens 16 to 18 say $8.00 bucks an hour

One for Adults say $12 bucks an hour

2. No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

But you liberals don't want to talk about common sense just what you are spoon feed by your handlers at your favorite huffpost IE the topic of the day we must raise MW across the board .


No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

And the government has the right to dictate this why?

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

So they outsource the low paying jobs to independent contractors.
again do you have an Idea for a solution or are you part of the problem? And just wine and *****?

again do you have an Idea for a solution

Seal the border and deport 12 million illegals.
Reducing the supply of low-skilled workers will raise the wages of our low-skilled workers.
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it
so what do propose as a answer?

Instead of just complain about it?

What I think is the following

1. A two tier minimum wage:

One for teens 16 to 18 say $8.00 bucks an hour

One for Adults say $12 bucks an hour

2. No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

But you liberals don't want to talk about common sense just what you are spoon feed by your handlers at your favorite huffpost IE the topic of the day we must raise MW across the board .


No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

And the government has the right to dictate this why?

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

So they outsource the low paying jobs to independent contractors.
again do you have an Idea for a solution or are you part of the problem? And just wine and *****?

again do you have an Idea for a solution

Seal the border and deport 12 million illegals.
Reducing the supply of low-skilled workers will raise the wages of our low-skilled workers.
I agree, But we still have to figure more out
 
What else are they gonna say? They'll always claim the 'Sky is Falling' if they have to pay someone a decent wage. Same ole same ole there. But the reality is, life will go on. The sky won't fall. They'll ***** & moan for awhile about having to pay better, and then they'll shut up and deal with it. It is what it is.
They will deal with it, by reducing hours, laying off workers and raising prices. You simply can't raise a company's operating cost by a significant amount and have no impact whatsoever. If you could, why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Obviously, you can't.
 
I have seen the price of burgers increase dramatically over the last year. The wages did not go up, the price of beef did

Prices were raised accordingly and the market adjusted to the new price of hamburgers. Same thing happens with wages

The market "adjusted," which means sales declined.

They stayed in business. Every burger chain had to raise pric s the same. Same as when wages increase
 
What else are they gonna say? They'll always claim the 'Sky is Falling' if they have to pay someone a decent wage. Same ole same ole there. But the reality is, life will go on. The sky won't fall. They'll ***** & moan for awhile about having to pay better, and then they'll shut up and deal with it. It is what it is.
They will deal with it, by reducing hours, laying off workers and raising prices. You simply can't raise a company's operating cost by a significant amount and have no impact whatsoever. If you could, why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Obviously, you can't.

Ha, they do that anyway. So don't worry about the whiny hype. They'll be angry about it for a short time, and then they'll shut up and move on. The sky won't be falling. Bet on that.
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it

Stock holders own the company and its profits, which includes many public union pension plans, you know the largest donors to the Democratic party.
 
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What else are they gonna say? They'll always claim the 'Sky is Falling' if they have to pay someone a decent wage. Same ole same ole there. But the reality is, life will go on. The sky won't fall. They'll ***** & moan for awhile about having to pay better, and then they'll shut up and deal with it. It is what it is.
They will deal with it, by reducing hours, laying off workers and raising prices. You simply can't raise a company's operating cost by a significant amount and have no impact whatsoever. If you could, why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Obviously, you can't.

Ha, they do that anyway. So don't worry about the whiny hype. They'll be angry about it for a short time, and then they'll shut up and move on. The sky won't be falling. Bet on that.
And teenagers will find it just a bit harder to get that first job, and unemployment among the young will increase just a bit more, but we don't care about that, because we feel good about ourselves. And again, why not just raise it to $100/hr?
 
First increase profit margins, then we can discuss increasing the minimum wage.
Profit margins have increased...wages have not

Corporations are in record growth....employees don't see any of it
so what do propose as a answer?

Instead of just complain about it?

What I think is the following

1. A two tier minimum wage:

One for teens 16 to 18 say $8.00 bucks an hour

One for Adults say $12 bucks an hour

2. No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

But you liberals don't want to talk about common sense just what you are spoon feed by your handlers at your favorite huffpost IE the topic of the day we must raise MW across the board .


No cooperation can pay say a CEO or owner more then 20 times over the lowest worker at his or her business

And the government has the right to dictate this why?

Yea I know it's socialism but it makes it fair

So they outsource the low paying jobs to independent contractors.
again do you have an Idea for a solution or are you part of the problem? And just wine and *****?

Yes, focus on the real problem the lying lowlife scum liberals and democrats who destroy jobs that pay more with their thousands of jobs killing regulations, taxes, and fees.
 
What else are they gonna say? They'll always claim the 'Sky is Falling' if they have to pay someone a decent wage. Same ole same ole there. But the reality is, life will go on. The sky won't fall. They'll ***** & moan for awhile about having to pay better, and then they'll shut up and deal with it. It is what it is.
They will deal with it, by reducing hours, laying off workers and raising prices. You simply can't raise a company's operating cost by a significant amount and have no impact whatsoever. If you could, why not just raise the MW to $100/hr and be done with poverty altogether? Obviously, you can't.

Ha, they do that anyway. So don't worry about the whiny hype. They'll be angry about it for a short time, and then they'll shut up and move on. The sky won't be falling. Bet on that.
And teenagers will find it just a bit harder to get that first job, and unemployment among the young will increase just a bit more, but we don't care about that, because we feel good about ourselves. And again, why not just raise it to $100/hr?

All that's gonna happen regardless of paying workers better. We've got Millions & Millions of Illegals invading. Good-paying jobs are gonna become harder & harder to find. And once this current President's disastrous trade deal is passed, American Workers will struggle even more.

And btw, your beloved Republicans are strongly behind the President's current trade deal proposal. So, paying workers a bit more isn't gonna significantly alter anything. The course has been set. We're heading down that road.
 
I have seen the price of burgers increase dramatically over the last year. The wages did not go up, the price of beef did

Prices were raised accordingly and the market adjusted to the new price of hamburgers. Same thing happens with wages

The market "adjusted," which means sales declined.

They stayed in business. Every burger chain had to raise pric s the same. Same as when wages increase

They stayed in business, but they didn't hire as many people. That's means people were unemployed as a result.
 
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