Mexico's Ominous Debt To The USA

[toobfreak]

I was doing some thinking and a few calculations, and it came to me that Mexico has a large unpaid debt.

• Never mind the cost of all the crime they commit here.
• All the food they eat here and all the free housing and healthcare illegals cost us.
• Then there is all the money they send home to their family and friends from the USA instead of it being reinvested into our own economy.
• But the very act of illegally crossing our border and criminally invading us as an undocumented alien is a FEDERAL CRIME that by my estimates, comes to about $10,500 PER PERSON PER VIOLATION. This number was arrived at through an old 25 year old picture of an old customs sign at the border detailing the fines associated with violating 19 USC 1459 and 19 USC 1433.
  
  

Border Patrol and ICE used to estimate the total number of illegals in the country before Joe Biden to be between 12 million and 20 million. They estimate that Joe let another 12 million to 20 million in. That leaves us with up to 40 million illegal aliens. Some claim many more. But I just went with 40 million as the top base figure. Then, ignoring all the other costs, that still leaves an uncollected $10,500 per person (assuming only a single violation).

Plus, forget the current cost of sending these people home by jet plane. Or taking them home then bringing them back because of some stupid judge only to take them home eventually again. When is the last time you heard the USA collecting its $10,500 fine from a single illegal? Can you imagine if you had an unpaid parking ticket?

Adding all of this up, right now, Mexico owes us at least 420 BILLION DOLLARS in unpaid fines and fees, not even including any of these other costs (not to mention the destruction of cities like LA, Chicago and elsewhere by Mexican compatriots.

I hope someone raises this point with Trump soon. Mexico owes us big.

 

[toobfreak]

Perhaps as a solution, we could take the state of Sonora for 200 billion dollars, turn it into a big labor camp work factory for unpaid illegals, then they could live and work there making stuff and doing labor for the USA until their debt is paid off (minus the additional cost of housing and feeding them).

Half a trillion dollars. Worth looking into. Hard.

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[Winston]

• Never mind the cost of all the crime they commit here.

a robust body of research shows that welcoming immigrants into American communities not only does not increase crime, but can actually strengthen public safety. In fact, immigrants—including undocumented immigrants—are less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born. This is true at the national, state, county, and neighborhood levels, and for both violent and non-violent crime.Then there is all the money they send home to their family and friends from the USA instead of it being reinvested into our own economy.

The American Immigration Council compared crime data to demographic data from 1980 to 2022, the most recent data available. The data showed that as the immigrant share of the population grew, the crime rate declined. In 1980, immigrants made up 6.2 percent of the U.S. population, and the total crime rate was 5,900 crimes per 100,000 people. By 2022, the share of immigrants had more than doubled, to 13.9 percent, while the total crime rate had dropped by 60.4 percent, to 2,335 crimes per 100,000 people. Specifically, the violent crime rate fell by 34.5 percent and the property crime rate fell by 63.3 percent.

Debunking the Myth of Immigrants and Crime - American Immigration Council

Using Uniform Crime Reporting data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and population data from the U. S. Census Bureau, the Council created a report on the relationship between immigrants and crime.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Reported violent crime rate in the U.S.| Statista

In 2023, the violent crime rate in the United States was ***** cases per 100,000 of the population.

www.statista.com

I mean you got to wonder about all this immigration bullshit. The numbers don't lie. The linked graph tells the picture. As immigration has continued to increase crime rates have continued to fall. Funny, politicians like to take credit for a declining crime rate yet, wtf did they do? I mean even the tail end of that graph, the highest crime rate we have experienced in the last eight years was the last year of the Trump administration. If immigration grinds to a halt, if even a minimum amount of deportations take place, I would expect the crime rate to rise.

 

[Winston]

• All the food they eat here and all the free housing and healthcare illegals cost us.

This one really gets me. I mean go for it. Show me the studies that make the claim they are a drain on the economy. Every one, each and every one, is going to throw in the support of native born American citizens born to immigrants. I mean what would have the country to do? Sorry little child, you might have climbed out of the womb in the right place, you just climbed out of the wrong womb.

First of all, the United States would be suffering a negative VITAL index. You see, they call the ratio of births to deaths the VITAL index, because it is vital, for the survival of any society, no matter how small, no matter how big, that the VITAL index be positive. Without immigrants, the US vital index would be negative.

But second, the bulk of the expenses claimed to be for illegal immigrants is education expenses. Do we not allow immigrant children in our schools? Do you have an concept of what that would result in? Talk about gangs, talk about crime. I mean your anti-immigrant people really don't think things through.

 

[Moonglow]

The propaganda of the Trump zombies never ends; their hate is as enduring as Satan himself.

 

[Winston]

• Then there is all the money they send home to their family and friends from the USA instead of it being reinvested into our own economy.

Alright, this one absolutely boggles my mind. At the very basic level inflation is too many dollars chasing too few goods. Foreign remittances have been a strong barrier against domestic inflation. The receiving countries, on the other hand, can find inflows highly inflationary. Just off the top of my head, but foreign remittances account for about three percent of our GDP. Throw that three percent back into the domestic economy, you don't get more investment, you get more demand and yet there are no additional goods being produced. It would result in inflation.

 

[Winston]

But the very act of illegally crossing our border and criminally invading us as an undocumented alien is a FEDERAL CRIME that by my estimates, comes to about $10,500 PER PERSON PER VIOLATION. This number was arrived at through an old 25 year old picture of an old customs sign at the border detailing the fines associated with violating 19 USC 1459 and 19 USC 1433.

Again, more bullshit. First point, most "illegal" immigrants do not cross the border illegally. They fly in an airplane, land at an airport, present their VISA, but then they overstay. That IS NOT a crime.

Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws acrime?No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions thatmay be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presencealone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegalalien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is amisdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But manyundocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally butoverstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visasin some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumentedimmigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for theUnauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after anindividual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned withoutpermission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may bepunished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the UnitedStates alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,is not a crime under federal law

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

 

[Votto]

I was doing some thinking and a few calculations, and it came to me that Mexico has a large unpaid debt.

• Never mind the cost of all the crime they commit here.
• All the food they eat here and all the free housing and healthcare illegals cost us.
• Then there is all the money they send home to their family and friends from the USA instead of it being reinvested into our own economy.
• But the very act of illegally crossing our border and criminally invading us as an undocumented alien is a FEDERAL CRIME that by my estimates, comes to about $10,500 PER PERSON PER VIOLATION. This number was arrived at through an old 25 year old picture of an old customs sign at the border detailing the fines associated with violating 19 USC 1459 and 19 USC 1433.
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Border Patrol and ICE used to estimate the total number of illegals in the country before Joe Biden to be between 12 million and 20 million. They estimate that Joe let another 12 million to 20 million in. That leaves us with up to 40 million illegal aliens. Some claim many more. But I just went with 40 million as the top base figure. Then, ignoring all the other costs, that still leaves an uncollected $10,500 per person (assuming only a single violation).

Plus, forget the current cost of sending these people home by jet plane. Or taking them home then bringing them back because of some stupid judge only to take them home eventually again. When is the last time you heard the USA collecting its $10,500 fine from a single illegal? Can you imagine if you had an unpaid parking ticket?

Adding all of this up, right now, Mexico owes us at least 420 BILLION DOLLARS in unpaid fines and fees, not even including any of these other costs (not to mention the destruction of cities like LA, Chicago and elsewhere by Mexican compatriots.

I hope someone raises this point with Trump soon. Mexico owes us big.

Mexico is about as interested in paying off their debt as the US government is interested in paying off their debt that is growing trying to feed all the Mexican immigrants.

Creating debt is just another form of theft for those in government, but at some point, it will destroy their country.

 

[toobfreak]

This one really gets me. I mean go for it. Show me the studies that make the claim they are a drain on the economy.

Post #3 right above, dipshit. I would call hundreds of billions of dollars bled from our economy a drain.

 

[toobfreak]

Alright, this one absolutely boggles my mind.

Gee, now there's a shock.

At the very basic level inflation is too many dollars chasing too few goods.

No, at its most basic level, inflation is the government spending or losing more money than it takes in, causing the value of the economy spread between the remaining money thinner, devaluing the dollar.

 

[toobfreak]

First point, most "illegal" immigrants do not cross the border illegally. They fly in an airplane, land at an airport, present their VISA, but then they overstay. That IS NOT a crime.

Overstaying your VISA is not a crime? You sound like you are speaking from experience.

 

[MarathonMike]

Again, more bullshit. First point, most "illegal" immigrants do not cross the border illegally. They fly in an airplane, land at an airport, present their VISA, but then they overstay. That IS NOT a crime.

Is the fact of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws acrime?No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not,standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions thatmay be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presencealone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegalalien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading.Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is amisdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But manyundocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally butoverstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visasin some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumentedimmigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for theUnauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after anindividual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned withoutpermission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters,attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may bepunished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the UnitedStates alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry,is not a crime under federal law

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf

Violating the conditions of your Visa isn't a Felony but it certainly is grounds for immediate deportation.