Mass shooting versus AR-15

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Because they fear the populace and want more control. The AR/AK/ "assault rifle" bull shyte is just the first step. Handguns will follow, then any gun they choose to add to the list. Short term, I think they plan to use Red Flag edicts to selectively censor and or punish political enemies. They'll find that it won't work in many states because their actions will be too overt to deny.
 

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Fact check: AR-15 style rifles used in 11 mass shootings since 2012 (yahoo.com)

according to this article the AR-15 was used in 11 mass shootings in the last 9 years.

But, according to CNN: US mass shootings: At least 45 in the month starting with the Atlanta spa shootings - CNN , there have been 45 mass shootings in the last month.

Tell me again...

Why are they trying to ban AR-15s?


There haven't been 45 mass public shootings......they are lying...

They use the term "mass shooting" because they know most Americans will add the word "Public," when they hear "mass shooting." Mass public shootings are not the same as gang members shooting at each other, or criminals shooting at each other....

Americans know that if they don't associate with actual criminals, or live in democrat party controlled voting districts, the chances they will experience any kind of shooting is just about zero.

So....in order to scare uninformed Americans into giving them the power to ban and confiscate guns, anti-gun extremists have to lie about "Mass Public Shootings....." the only kind of shooting that most Americans are actually concerned about....even though they are more rare than getting hit by lightning....twice.........

2018...12 mass public shootings

2019....10

2020....1

In a country of over 350 million people........those are the actual numbers for actual mass public shootings......it is hard to stampede uninformed people into giving them power with numbers that low.....

So...what do you do?

You lie, and throw in every shooting by every criminal and then call them "mass shootings," with the full knowledge that uninformed people will hear "mass shooting," and think that that means a random stranger walked into a random public gun free zone and started shooting innocent people...When in fact, those shootings are gang members shooting at rivals, and criminals murdering other criminals...with no connection to innocent Americans.

This is why anti gun-extremists can never be trusted.....the truth, the facts and reality don't support their irrational fear of guns and gun owners......so they lie......
 

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Fact check: AR-15 style rifles used in 11 mass shootings since 2012 (yahoo.com)

according to this article the AR-15 was used in 11 mass shootings in the last 9 years.

But, according to CNN: US mass shootings: At least 45 in the month starting with the Atlanta spa shootings - CNN , there have been 45 mass shootings in the last month.

Tell me again...

Why are they trying to ban AR-15s?


Some facts about actual mass public shootings in the U.S....

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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  • Here is a description of the criteria we use:
    • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
    • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
    • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.)
    • Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
    • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
    • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.


Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017


795



knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591
Rifle murder....

2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285

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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones.......tell me Mother Jones is part of the NRA moron.....

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...

I have put obama's updated number in parenthesis..........

we will see....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...


Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 90

Lawnmowers kill more people than bears or sharks or alligators each year

Falling off ladder deaths...300...

Ladder Safety.

2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760
 

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Fact check: AR-15 style rifles used in 11 mass shootings since 2012 (yahoo.com)

according to this article the AR-15 was used in 11 mass shootings in the last 9 years.

But, according to CNN: US mass shootings: At least 45 in the month starting with the Atlanta spa shootings - CNN , there have been 45 mass shootings in the last month.

Tell me again...

Why are they trying to ban AR-15s?


There haven't been 45 mass public shootings......they are lying...

They use the term "mass shooting" because they know most Americans will add the word "Public," when they hear "mass shooting." Mass public shootings are not the same as gang members shooting at each other, or criminals shooting at each other....

Americans know that if they don't associate with actual criminals, or live in democrat party controlled voting districts, the chances they will experience any kind of shooting is just about zero.

So....in order to scare uninformed Americans into giving them the power to ban and confiscate guns, anti-gun extremists have to lie about "Mass Public Shootings....." the only kind of shooting that most Americans are actually concerned about....even though they are more rare than getting hit by lightning....twice.........

2018...12 mass public shootings

2019....10

2020....1

In a country of over 350 million people........those are the actual numbers for actual mass public shootings......it is hard to stampede uninformed people into giving them power with numbers that low.....

So...what do you do?

You lie, and throw in every shooting by every criminal and then call them "mass shootings," with the full knowledge that uninformed people will hear "mass shooting," and think that that means a random stranger walked into a random public gun free zone and started shooting innocent people...When in fact, those shootings are gang members shooting at rivals, and criminals murdering other criminals...with no connection to innocent Americans.

This is why anti gun-extremists can never be trusted.....the truth, the facts and reality don't support their irrational fear of guns and gun owners......so they lie......
So all of the darkie shootings in Chicago aren't being called mass shootings anymore??

Funny how you conservatives change your definitions of mass shootings on the fly like that
 

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Fact check: AR-15 style rifles used in 11 mass shootings since 2012 (yahoo.com)

according to this article the AR-15 was used in 11 mass shootings in the last 9 years.

But, according to CNN: US mass shootings: At least 45 in the month starting with the Atlanta spa shootings - CNN , there have been 45 mass shootings in the last month.

Tell me again...

Why are they trying to ban AR-15s?

Because a population armed with AR type weapons can be rather quickly trained up into an effective guerilla resistance force. Add in .50 BMG bolt action rifles loaded up with surplus HE/AP rounds and you've got yourself a fighting force capable of stopping police armored vehicles. Meaning, such a civilian force could take and hold actual territory/strategic infrastructural targets.
 

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