Mass Killings: The Blame

[Picaro]

No, that's stupidity. What's the difference between a semi-automatic rifle and a semi-automatic hand gun? One looks scarier than the other, but they both do the same thing.

I've said to severely control them both you unbelievably dense rightard. What is it with you people?

Maybe we know how to write and you don't. You said high capacity handguns. Handguns don't have high capacity--only magazines do. And that wouldn't do squat because a magazine can be changed in less than three seconds; one second with some practice. So again, nothing solved.

another poster when asked what he wanted banned the poster said

nearly the same thing

" high capacity handgun" and "military style semi autos" must be leftard talking point today

i didnt even bother to respond

--LOL

A distinction without a difference. You may believe knowledge of what a gun is called makes a difference, better to mock those who claim guns don't kill people as some guns are made for that express purpose.

well it certainly is a difference

making such statements as "high capacity handgun" only shows a poster does not know what the fuck they are talking about

It shows they only parrot pre-packaged slogans and buzz words as substitutes for thinking on their own.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nonsense. for that to be true we would see school slaughters in every country in the civilised world. Access to machine guns is the difference.

"Access to machine guns is the difference."

You need to get educated on this, in America they cannot just go and buy a machine gun, you not knowing anything about guns in general probably do not even know the difference between an AR-15 and an M&P380.

What to know about machine gun laws in the US

But they can legally and easily purchase bump stocks that can make a gun fully automatic.

If gun control prevents the death of children and prevents children from being shot in general, then explain why so many children are killed every year and shot every year in Chicago:

Chicago's young victims of violence

Chicago actually ISN'T the strictest gun control in the nation. Also - gun control laws in this country are primarily determined at the state level. Chicago also doesn't lead in homicides and gun violence - I don't know how that meme keeps getting perpetuated.

In terms of murder rates, the top ten are (in order of bloodshed):
#1 St. Louis Missouri (Missouri has pretty loose gun laws)
followed by
Baltimore, MD, Detroit, MI, New Orleans LA, Birmingham AL, Jackson MS, Baton Rouge LA, Hartford, CT and Salinas CA.

In terms of least restrictive gun law states - Missouri is #5 and Mississippi is #2, Louisiana is #1.

Thank you. I have seen this claim about Chicago before. However when you look at the stats it does not support the assertion.God forbid the right make things up because it sounds just right.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So much bullshit on this thread. So many weasel words from people who dont give a shit how many kids get killed. There is one reason American kids are being slaughtered.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Picaro]

So much bullshit on this thread. So many weasel words from people who dont give a shit how many kids get killed. There is one reason American kids are being slaughtered.

Tommy fails to point out Canada is a lot whiter than almost anywhere else on the planet, small population, and controls immigration diligently. It also gets to sell lots of stuff to the U.S., at little cost, one of the major markets of the world, and we act as an outlet for its surplus population, drastically reducing demands on it social services and tax needs.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

Idiots and liberals are not interested in causes and solutions, they are only interested in blame and fast, knee-jerk reactions. Blame the guns. Tell the government to save us. Yeah, that's it, and when we ban guns and the violence continues, then they can blame something else they don't like. Won't solve anything but at least it'll go after some of their pet peeves. You see, we aren't really interested in addressing the REAL PROBLEMS behind all these shootings:

1. Erosion of the family unit with one mommy and one daddy.
2. Religion and moral upbringing.
3. Put away the damned smartphone and go out and play in the real world.
4. Get the dysfunctional government out of being in charge of what and how our children think.
5. Go back to teaching personal responsibility and behavior instead of always blaming others.

These "real problems" also exist in countries that dont have mass shootings. Do you have anything of substance to add to this random list ?

 

[Picaro]

Israel proves the NRA's arguments

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So much bullshit on this thread. So many weasel words from people who dont give a shit how many kids get killed. There is one reason American kids are being slaughtered.

Tommy fails to point out Canada is a lot whiter than almost anywhere else on the planet, small population, and controls immigration diligently. It also gets to sell lots of stuff to the U.S., at little cost, one of the major markets of the world, and we act as an outlet for its surplus population, drastically reducing demands on it social services and tax needs.

How did immigrants come into this ? Your mass shooters are all american boys.

 

[Picaro]

So much bullshit on this thread. So many weasel words from people who dont give a shit how many kids get killed. There is one reason American kids are being slaughtered.

Tommy fails to point out Canada is a lot whiter than almost anywhere else on the planet, small population, and controls immigration diligently. It also gets to sell lots of stuff to the U.S., at little cost, one of the major markets of the world, and we act as an outlet for its surplus population, drastically reducing demands on it social services and tax needs.

How did immigrants come into this ? Your mass shooters are all american boys.

lol tommy shows he's ignorant yet again.

 

[JoeB131]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

 

[Picaro]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

Another ridiculous falsehood, routinely parroted by the D&D'ers here. Just the mass murders in one African country dwarf our entire death toll for decades. Start including all the state sanctioned mass murders, especially in Islamo-Land alone, and we need a population 5 time larger than we have now, just to have enough people around to die in one. Joe's commie heroes Stalin and Mao wiped out far more.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

Joking aside, the dishonesty of the gun nuts is absolutely staggering. They are tying themselves up in lies and misinformation to protect the rights of nutters to slaughter kids with machine guns. Its immoral.

 

[JoeB131]

Another ridiculous falsehood, routinely parroted by the D&D'ers here. Just the mass murders in one African country dwarf our entire death toll for decades. Start including all the state sanctioned mass murders, especially in Islamo-Land alone, and we need a population 5 time larger than we have now, just to have enough people around to die in one. Joe's commie heroes Stalin and Mao wiped out far more.

Okay, buddy, nobody believes your John Bircher propaganda.

Cold War's over, buddy you can stop making stuff up.

But to the point..

Every other industrialized country bans gun ownership, and this is a regular thing in their countries.

It is here.

 

[Picaro]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

Joking aside, the dishonesty of the gun nuts is absolutely staggering. They are tying themselves up in lies and misinformation to protect the rights of nutters to slaughter kids with machine guns. Its immoral.

Ah, the old worn out and juvenile 'reverse psychology' gambit, duly parroted yet again. lol

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

If you ask me, the way to solve a problem is to look at the common denominator.

No, I don't mean guns as the common denominator, I mean the reason people fly off the handle like this.

It seems to me the state of mind of these killers is rejection. They can't seem to handle it. Getting picked on by other kids, the school throwing them out, being rejected by a girl a boy liked.......rejection.

Shielding our children from embarrassment and rejection starts from young on. Parents read all these psycho babble books about how to raise a kid. We don't say the word "no" to children. Do you know how many times a child hears the word no growing up? We don't hit children, we have time out instead.

Then the kid gets to school, and once again protected from evil rejection. We don't fail children, we give them an E for effort. We don't keep score in our sports games. The losers might develop a complex. We don't allow kids to pick teams either. The last person picked is usually the weakest or sensitive one, and we don't want him to have that experience. We don't hit kids in school, not only might you get sued by the parent, but embarrassing a child in front of his classmates could be devastating. Bullying? We need to make that a national issue.

Okay, so why are these kinds of mass shootings taking place in great upper middle-class or wealthy areas instead of lower income areas? Because lower income children are raised with rejection and embarrassment. Nobody likes rejection, but learning how to live with it is better than not knowing how to.

The problem goes much deeper than guns, and has been in development for decades thanks to liberalism.

I'm sorry but it's the availability of guns...it gives the weak a lot of power. A power that without a gun can be minimal...be it a knife, hammer, or a baseball bat.

Example when I went to school overseas, there were kids like you mentioned, bullied, expelled and rejected....when they go nuts they use fists, rocks, or bats, I am very sure if guns were easy to come by they would use them. Guns my friends, guns...the whole world is telling you in one voice.

I attended a school with unlocked doors and very little violence outside of kids getting into fist fights. It just never happened when I was younger, and mind you, our country had guns my entire life.

When you try to analyze a problem, you look for change, not consistency. We've always had guns, and we always had kids that were not all there. So what changed?

I think I hit the nail on the head. What changed is the way we raise our kids. We were raised totally different than the generations after us.

 

[Picaro]

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Cold War's over, buddy you can stop making stuff up.

.

lol Joe routinely repeats old Pravda rubbish virtually every post he makes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NRA is complicit in these mass gun murders in that they are funding everything that feeds into this madness. Guns are an anachronism we don't need, and obviously firearms are feeding into self destructive nature we don't need anymore. Like any PAC, they wield way to much power. That has got to end.

The only way they will end is if we turn communist or supporters leave the organization.

If you want to get mad at anybody, get upset with the millions of people that are the NRA. The NRA is only a gathering place. The people are actually the NRA.

It's a confused issue. America loves violence. Might makes right mentality I kick your ass that makes me right. NRA is a bygone institution, and they help school shooters. They do, let's don't kid ourselves here. As a American, I don't wan't any more school shootings. You want WANT more school shootings?

The NRA did NOT do the shootings. Sheesh.

No they didn't , nope. Everything else, though, they fund activist that help mass shooters in other ways, and help people defend mass shooters legally or morally, kudos , jolly good work!

So I guess you have a link to them defending mass shooters? I can't wait to get home from work to read it. Please don't disappoint.

 

[Picaro]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

If you ask me, the way to solve a problem is to look at the common denominator.

No, I don't mean guns as the common denominator, I mean the reason people fly off the handle like this.

It seems to me the state of mind of these killers is rejection. They can't seem to handle it. Getting picked on by other kids, the school throwing them out, being rejected by a girl a boy liked.......rejection.

Shielding our children from embarrassment and rejection starts from young on. Parents read all these psycho babble books about how to raise a kid. We don't say the word "no" to children. Do you know how many times a child hears the word no growing up? We don't hit children, we have time out instead.

Then the kid gets to school, and once again protected from evil rejection. We don't fail children, we give them an E for effort. We don't keep score in our sports games. The losers might develop a complex. We don't allow kids to pick teams either. The last person picked is usually the weakest or sensitive one, and we don't want him to have that experience. We don't hit kids in school, not only might you get sued by the parent, but embarrassing a child in front of his classmates could be devastating. Bullying? We need to make that a national issue.

Okay, so why are these kinds of mass shootings taking place in great upper middle-class or wealthy areas instead of lower income areas? Because lower income children are raised with rejection and embarrassment. Nobody likes rejection, but learning how to live with it is better than not knowing how to.

The problem goes much deeper than guns, and has been in development for decades thanks to liberalism.

I'm sorry but it's the availability of guns...it gives the weak a lot of power. A power that without a gun can be minimal...be it a knife, hammer, or a baseball bat.

Example when I went to school overseas, there were kids like you mentioned, bullied, expelled and rejected....when they go nuts they use fists, rocks, or bats, I am very sure if guns were easy to come by they would use them. Guns my friends, guns...the whole world is telling you in one voice.

I attended a school with unlocked doors and very little violence outside of kids getting into fist fights. It just never happened when I was younger, and mind you, our country had guns my entire life.

When you try to analyze a problem, you look for change, not consistency. We've always had guns, and we always had kids that were not all there. So what changed?

I think I hit the nail on the head. What changed is the way we raise our kids. We were raised totally different than the generations after us.

We stood aside and let sickos and deviants run our education systems and run social cultural war experiments on our children, with little or no interference.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

NRA is complicit in these mass gun murders in that they are funding everything that feeds into this madness. Guns are an anachronism we don't need, and obviously firearms are feeding into self destructive nature we don't need anymore. Like any PAC, they wield way to much power. That has got to end.

The only way they will end is if we turn communist or supporters leave the organization.

If you want to get mad at anybody, get upset with the millions of people that are the NRA. The NRA is only a gathering place. The people are actually the NRA.

It's a confused issue. America loves violence. Might makes right mentality I kick your ass that makes me right. NRA is a bygone institution, and they help school shooters. They do, let's don't kid ourselves here. As a American, I don't wan't any more school shootings. You want WANT more school shootings?

The NRA did NOT do the shootings. Sheesh.

No they didn't , nope. Everything else, though, they fund activist that help mass shooters in other ways, and help people defend mass shooters legally or morally, kudos , jolly good work!

So I guess you have a link to them defending mass shooters? I can't wait to get home from work to read it. Please don't disappoint.

You are very literal Ray. Of course they never say that they condone mass shooters. But their actions enable these events to happen. Its obtuse to argue otherwise.

 

[JoeB131]

I attended a school with unlocked doors and very little violence outside of kids getting into fist fights. It just never happened when I was younger, and mind you, our country had guns my entire life.

Okay, guy, here's the problem with that.

Back when you were a kid, not a lot of people owned guns, and they were mostly the hunting type.

Today we have more guns than we have people, and the guns are specifically the ones designed for killing people, which the NRA Hawks to the most unstable people in the country.

That's kind of like saying, "I remember when I was a kid, they didn't have to put safety seals on products!" Yeah, until someone figured out how to poison products and they needed them.

When you try to analyze a problem, you look for change, not consistency. We've always had guns, and we always had kids that were not all there. So what changed?

I think I hit the nail on the head. What changed is the way we raise our kids. We were raised totally different than the generations after us.

Actually what changed were the number of guns, the lethality of guns and the fact that a loser like Cruz could get the whole country talking about him for days. that's what changed.

Frankly, I don't long for the days of brutal punishment for children.

I still have the occasional nightmare, though.