Man and woman shoot 33 times at Australian police...but....gun control? Confiscation?

[2aguy]

So...anti gunners...could you help us understand which Australian gun control law stopped these two people from taking their gun to a school, a mall, a church, a nightclub and shooting 33 people? Please...which Australian gun control law stopped this from happening? And gun control? Did that work here?

Shots fired in Launceston siege

A siege in the Tasmanian city of Launceston has ended with police arresting a 24-year-old man and a woman, 40, after 33 shots were fired at police.

Police had brought in negotiators, a heavily armoured Bearcat truck and evacuated residents from the street during the 18 hour stand-off which began on Friday afternoon.

 

[harmonica]

it greatly brings down the murder rate
we do want a lower murder rate, yes?

 

[2aguy]

it greatly brings down the murder rate
we do want a lower murder rate, yes?

Gun control doesn't bring down the murder rate. Locking up violent criminals brings down the murder rate. Law abiding gun owners, who own and/or carry guns for self defense does not increase the gun crime rate...as our own 25 years of experience shows....and as a recent report shows....

If you want a lower murder rate....yes? Then to do that you lock up violent criminals for long periods of time. Our problem, in this country, is that democrat party judges, politicians and prosecutors keep letting repeat gun offenders out on bail...even if they are currently out on bail on a gun offense, and giving them light sentences even if they have repeat gun offenses...

You do not lower the gun murder rate by taking guns away from normal people, the ones not using the guns for crime.....

You get that...right?

Our experience....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


the most recent research into concealed carry...that shows that law abiding gun owners do not increase the crime rate.....

https://www.journalacs.org/article/S1072-7515(18)32074-X/abstract

Results


During the study period, all states moved to adopt some form of concealed-carry legislation, with a trend toward less restrictive legislation. After adjusting for state and year, there was no significant association between shifts from restrictive to nonrestrictive carry legislation on violent crime and public health indicators. Adjusting further for poverty and unemployment did not significantly influence the results.

Conclusions
This study demonstrated no statistically significant association between the liberalization of state level firearm carry legislation over the last 30 years and the rates of homicides or other violent crime. Policy efforts aimed at injury prevention and the reduction of firearm-related violence should likely investigate other targets for potential intervention.

 

[2aguy]

it greatly brings down the murder rate
we do want a lower murder rate, yes?

You do realize actual research shows that the Australian gun ban and confiscation did not lower the gun murder rate...right?

Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

 

[OnePercenter]

So...anti gunners...could you help us understand which Australian gun control law stopped these two people from taking their gun to a school, a mall, a church, a nightclub and shooting 33 people? Please...which Australian gun control law stopped this from happening? And gun control? Did that work here?

Shots fired in Launceston siege

A siege in the Tasmanian city of Launceston has ended with police arresting a 24-year-old man and a woman, 40, after 33 shots were fired at police.

Police had brought in negotiators, a heavily armoured Bearcat truck and evacuated residents from the street during the 18 hour stand-off which began on Friday afternoon.

You're making a point FOR making guns illegal.

The Tasmanian's with a illegal gun fire 33 times and nobody was injured.

Ian Long had a legal gun and killed 13.

Stephan Paddock had a legal guns and killed 58 and injured 560.

 

[2aguy]

So...anti gunners...could you help us understand which Australian gun control law stopped these two people from taking their gun to a school, a mall, a church, a nightclub and shooting 33 people? Please...which Australian gun control law stopped this from happening? And gun control? Did that work here?

Shots fired in Launceston siege

A siege in the Tasmanian city of Launceston has ended with police arresting a 24-year-old man and a woman, 40, after 33 shots were fired at police.

Police had brought in negotiators, a heavily armoured Bearcat truck and evacuated residents from the street during the 18 hour stand-off which began on Friday afternoon.

You're making a point FOR making guns illegal.

The Tasmanian's with a illegal gun fire 33 times and nobody was injured.

Ian Long had a legal gun and killed 13.

Stephan Paddock had a legal guns and killed 58 and injured 560.

Moron.....the legal or illegal ownership of a weapon has nothing to do with hitting the target......

Both of the attacks you mentioned were gun free zones.....

And the Las Vegas shooter who hit 58....was firing from a concealed and fortified position into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people........you doofus.

And armed citizens, faced with a mass public shooter, but with their own legal guns...have a 94% rate of stopping and/or minimizing deaths at the attack.....

 

[harmonica]

The national homicide rate has decreased from 1.8 per 100,000 people in 1989-90 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-14.

Three charts on: Australia's declining homicide rates
no matter what--their murder rate is MUCH lower

......you always bring up countries that have strict gun control and much LOWER murder rates as PRO-gun arguments.................????!!!!!!!!!!

 

[2aguy]

The national homicide rate has decreased from 1.8 per 100,000 people in 1989-90 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-14.

Three charts on: Australia's declining homicide rates
no matter what--their murder rate is MUCH lower

......you always bring up countries that have strict gun control and much LOWER murder rates as PRO-gun arguments.................????!!!!!!!!!!

No...you guys bring up countries that always had very low gun murder rates, and then try to tell us that their gun control laws caused it....when, again, they had tiny gun murder rates before they banned and confiscated guns.......and after they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rates keep going up....showing that gun control does not change gun murder rates if the criminals don't make the choice to commit murder.......

Murder is a choice by the criminal....they choose to murder or not to murder...gun control has nothing to do with that decision when they already have illegal guns....