"Make America Great Again"
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waltky
Wise ol' monkey
Uncle Ferd lookin' fer some womens...
... dat'll help him...
... Make America Nekid Again.
... dat'll help him...
... Make America Nekid Again.
HereWeGoAgain
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Ya gotta love it when brainless progressives call Trump supporters racist nazis and the like when it's progressives showing up at Trump rallies starting riots and attacking the police.
Really because those are the Americans who took a huge step backward. instead of $30 at Ford they now make $10 at Walmart or a non union factory. You're either a liar or stupid.
Nosmo King
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Make America great again. For whom? What day gone past is the benchmark of greatness and why did we consider ourselves great then? What provisions must be eliminated or added in order for us to attain this 'greatness'?
Answer those three questions, Mr. Trump.
Answer those three questions, Mr. Trump.
What created and sustained the middle class we had for decades? In the history of the world, no country has ever produced a middle class that we enjoyed here in the United States. Today things are better in Canada or Germany for the middle class.
When Republicans try to blame Bill Clinton for NAFTA, they are trying to pretend they aren’t the ones who pushed/push for unregulated free trade. Here is what we were saying about free trade in 2004. I challenge any Republican to show me one article from 2004 that shows they were for regulating free trade or tariffs.
Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class
1. There is no such thing as a "free market."
2. The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it (as millions of Americans and Europeans are discovering).
The conservative mantra is "let the market decide." But there is no market independent of government, so what they're really saying is, "Stop government from defending workers and building a middle class, and let the corporations decide how much to pay for labor and how to trade." But that’s insane because corporations only care about 1 thing and that’s maximizing shareholder profits. Governments set the rules of the market. And, since our government is of, by, and for We The People, those rules have historically been set to first maximize the public good resulting from people doing business. If you want to play the game of business, we've said in the US since 1784 (when Tench Coxe got the first tariffs passed "to protect domestic industries") then you have to play in a way that both makes you money AND serves the public interest.
The "middle class" is not the natural result of "free trade." Those policies will produce a small but powerful wealthy class, a small "middle" mercantilist class, and a huge and terrified worker class which have traditionally been called "serfs." The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business and when domestic industries are protected from overseas competition, a middle class will emerge. When government gives up these functions, the middle class vanishes and the rich get richer.
Conservatives complained about Smoot Hawley tariffs but the main result was that American businesses now had strong financial incentives to do business with other American companies, rather than bring in products made with cheaper foreign labor: Americans started trading with other Americans. It brought jobs back to America. Most of the Founders advocated and passed tariffs to protect domestic industries and workers. We've done it before, with tariffs, anti-trust legislation, and worker protections ranging from enforcing the rights of organized labor to restricting American companies' access to cheap foreign labor through visas and tariffs. The result was the production of something never before seen in history: a strong and vibrant middle class.
Switzerland welcomes guests, but not new citizens. If you're not marrying a Swiss citizen, you have to live there for 12 years before you can begin the naturalization process. However, this does not guarantee citizenship. You have to be meet the requirements of the local canton or municipality you wish to live. Even becoming a permanent resident takes 10 years.
NAFTA was negotiated under George H. Bush. The agreement was signed in Dec. 1992, prior to Bill Clinton taking office. Although Bill Clinton supported it, the agreement was a product of the Bush administration and was strongly supported by Republicans. Over the last 20 years free trade agreements have become a escape goat for most of Americans problems, ignoring the benefits.
Exactly. I'm not against free trade with the rest of the world. But "they've" gone too far. Why? Because American workers were the highest paid in the world. If you want to kill something the easiest way is to go for the head. The labor movement started in America.
Sing this: "If you can break it here you can break it anywhere it's up to you, new york new york."
You can't have the benefits of free trade without giving up something. And that something is low skilled workers being being paid $20/hr for work that can be done just as well abroad for $2/hr. Where the country has fallen down, is job creation in the US, providing education, training and assistance to help people migrate to good jobs in the US. Free trade is good not just for big business but everyone. We just have to make sure people that are displaced have jobs.
The US can't reject free trade agreements and turn the clock back 50 years because our products would not be competitive in world market place.
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I agree however every other country protects it's vital industries and workers. Those governments don't only serve corporate shareholders.
It's not too late with manufacturing. What we have now only works for the rich
There are pros and cons in NAFTA like all trade treaties. In order to get something, you often have to give up something. The anti-immigration climate and the need for political scapegoats has overshadowed most of the economic gains in NAFTA.
One of the major goals of NAFTA was to raise employment and wages of Mexican workers, thus reducing illegal immigration into the US. This never happened. Although, tariffs were dropped, cumbersome regulations by all participants have hindered trade. Job creation in both the US and Mexico have been a big plus for both countries. However, the outsourcing of jobs to Southeast Asia has overshadowed job creation in the US due to NAFTA.
One thing that is not in NAFTA that is in other trade treaties, is fair labor standards. The treaty should be renegotiated to insure that all workers have a livable wage, safe working conditions, healthcare benefits, retirement, etc. This will go a long way toward eliminating the wage gap between the US and Mexico and reducing illegal immigration.
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