Madison: A WARNING TO FUTURE AMERICANS

[Dante]

In his later years as he was the last surviving character from the Founding of America, Madison wrote in one of his many letters about the idiocy and nonsense that took hold in many Southern states -- namely that Jefferson supported secession.

true story


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[syrenn]

i cant wait to see this!

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[uscitizen]

Live in the present for the future not in the past.
Who cares about Madison at this point.
His wife now makes junk food pastries.

 

[whitehall]

"A Warning to Future Americans"? The Constitution was a warning to future Americans that too much federal power can be dangerous. The FF were geniuses.

 

[zzzz]

President Madison Fled Washington DC and allowed the British to burn it down, something Lincoln would not do.

From Federalist #10, authored by Madison about how the Republic is better than a Democracy:

to refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation, it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good, than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the purpose. On the other hand, the effect may be inverted. Men of factious tempers, of local prejudices, or of sinister designs, may, by intrigue, by corruption, or by other means, first obtain the suffrages, and then betray the interests of the people.

Kinda makes you think that if the FF were here today they might not look too kindly on our representatives!

 

[whitehall]

President Madison Fled Washington DC and allowed the British to burn it down, something Lincoln would not do.

From Federalist #10, authored by Madison about how the Republic is better than a Democracy:

to refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation, it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good, than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the purpose. On the other hand, the effect may be inverted. Men of factious tempers, of local prejudices, or of sinister designs, may, by intrigue, by corruption, or by other means, first obtain the suffrages, and then betray the interests of the people.

Kinda makes you think that if the FF were here today they might not look too kindly on our representatives!

Madison "allowed"? the British to burn Washington? Interesting analysis. Under Madison The US defeated the Brits. On the other hand you could consider that Lincoln's lack of leadership in the United States government led to Civil War.

 

[zzzz]

Madison's conduct of the war was not very good. Yes we won but it was more of the British wanted peace with us because of the wars with France. Remember it was Madison who declared war on them. Madison also tried to take Canada and was repelled. It did get Jackson elected as President though and gave us our national anthem. But as a wartime President Madison was not very effective.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

First of all Madison wasn't really the "last surviving character from the Founding of America". Madison had nothing to do with the founding of America. He didn't attend any continental congress meetings until 1780. They had already voted to become an independent nation, and were already several years into the Revolutionary war. Madison had great influence over the constitution-but not over the actual founding of America.

Second of all people confuse Madison's great contributions to this country, with his average presidency (at best). Madison wasn't that great of a president. Same can be said for Adams really (who was one of the most important, and arguably the most influential of the FFs).

In all honesty if the Brits were busy fighting wars already-we would have lost both the revolutionary and the war of 1812.

And nobody knows what the FFs would think of today. It's been hundreds of years-and the world has changed. It's a much different world. Plus you can find quotes from any one of the founding fathers to support virtually any argument.

 

[konradv]

President Madison Fled Washington DC and allowed the British to burn it down, something Lincoln would not do.

From Federalist #10, authored by Madison about how the Republic is better than a Democracy:

to refine and enlarge the public views by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of their country and whose patriotism and love of justice will be least likely to sacrifice it to temporary or partial considerations. Under such a regulation, it may well happen that the public voice, pronounced by the representatives of the people, will be more consonant to the public good, than if pronounced by the people themselves, convened for the purpose. On the other hand, the effect may be inverted. Men of factious tempers, of local prejudices, or of sinister designs, may, by intrigue, by corruption, or by other means, first obtain the suffrages, and then betray the interests of the people.

Kinda makes you think that if the FF were here today they might not look too kindly on our representatives!

Madison "allowed"? the British to burn Washington? Interesting analysis. Under Madison The US defeated the Brits. On the other hand you could consider that Lincoln's lack of leadership in the United States government led to Civil War.

We didn't actually beat the Brits, except in a couple of battles. That war was more of a draw, because after Napolean's defeat at Waterloo many of the problems that brought the war on were moot, like impressment of sailors into the British Navy and the blockade of European ports held by Napolean. The most famous battle occurred after the peace treaty was signed, so it hardly be counted as a reason the Brits lost the war.

 

[konradv]

BTW, "Lincoln's lack of leadership"?!?! Most of the states that seceded, did so before he was even inaugurated!!!

 

[Truthmatters]

"A Warning to Future Americans"? The Constitution was a warning to future Americans that too much federal power can be dangerous. The FF were geniuses.

It was dead on balls proof that the founders thougth government was the only way the people could control the forces in the world economy that would seek to enslave individuals without them organizing together in solidarity to control their own futures. Free of the power of the wealthy interest who controled the rest of the worlds governing at the time the founders created power of the people.


You pretend the government they designed hated government.

They didnt hate government they hated a select few controling the government.

The people does not include corporations.

It includes people only, one person one vote.

The founders were not perfect people they were merely people who knew a government by the people was the only way to insure freedom.


Why does the right fight for the very class of people who owned the governments the founders fought against?

 

[30x90]

BTW, "Lincoln's lack of leadership"?!?! Most of the states that seceded, did so before he was even inaugurated!!!

Lincoln purposely provoked the South into firing the first shot.
Secession was legal and constitutional.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its amazing how many people who call themselves patriots think the south was the hero in this horrible time in the union.

 

[Two Thumbs]

In his later years as he was the last surviving character from the Founding of America, Madison wrote in one of his many letters about the idiocy and nonsense that took hold in many Southern states -- namely that Jefferson supported secession.

true story


dD

WHAT!!

Are you saying that not all th Founding Fathers thought the same or got along perfectly!!?!!

Wow, you just confirmed what my grade school history teacher taught.

someone alert the media

 

[konradv]

BTW, "Lincoln's lack of leadership"?!?! Most of the states that seceded, did so before he was even inaugurated!!!

Lincoln purposely provoked the South into firing the first shot.
Secession was legal and constitutional.

You're lying. He did what he could to try and reconcile with the South. They just weren't willing to listen to anything. That makes it on THEIR heads.

 

[konradv]

"A Warning to Future Americans"? The Constitution was a warning to future Americans that too much federal power can be dangerous. The FF were geniuses.

It was dead on balls proof that the founders thougth government was the only way the people could control the forces in the world economy that would seek to enslave individuals without them organizing together in solidarity to control their own futures. Free of the power of the wealthy interest who controled the rest of the worlds governing at the time the founders created power of the people.


You pretend the government they designed hated government.

They didnt hate government they hated a select few controling the government.

The people does not include corporations.

It includes people only, one person one vote.

The founders were not perfect people they were merely people who knew a government by the people was the only way to insure freedom.


Why does the right fight for the very class of people who owned the governments the founders fought against?

One more I'd like to add. The FF were NOT all of one mind, making "original intent" one of the biggest myths in American history.

 

[Two Thumbs]

"A Warning to Future Americans"? The Constitution was a warning to future Americans that too much federal power can be dangerous. The FF were geniuses.

It was dead on balls proof that the founders thougth government was the only way the people could control the forces in the world economy that would seek to enslave individuals without them organizing together in solidarity to control their own futures. Free of the power of the wealthy interest who controled the rest of the worlds governing at the time the founders created power of the people.


You pretend the government they designed hated government.

They didnt hate government they hated a select few controling the government.

The people does not include corporations.

It includes people only, one person one vote.

The founders were not perfect people they were merely people who knew a government by the people was the only way to insure freedom.


Why does the right fight for the very class of people who owned the governments the founders fought against?

The Founders fought against a Kings tyrannical rule.

Not corporations.

 

[editec]

Men of factious tempers, of local prejudices, or of sinister designs, may, by intrigue, by corruption, or by other means, first obtain the suffrages, and then betray the interests of the people.

Men who ascribe to a philosophy that "GREED IS GOOD" do not make ideal leaders of a representational republic.


Naturally they'll mouth all the worthy platitudes that will wow! the unwashed, but a close study of their policies and actions will really show you what their "sinister designs" actually are.

15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mt. 3.10 · Lk. 3.9

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mt. 12.33

Good advice for citzens then and good advice, now, too.

 

[zzzz]

One thing I see all the time is people saying the founding fathers meant this or that. The founding fathers were as split then as we are today. Some wanted the Federal government to be weak and states strong while others including Madison wanted the federal governement to be very strong and the states weak. The Confederation that preceded the Consitution proved that a weak central government would not be very effective. This I think eventually brought most of the delgates into a strong federal government, not as strong as some wanted. Today the "State rights" group indicate a return to the days of the "Confederation" yet keeping the Constituion.

 

[Dante]

First of all Madison wasn't really the "last surviving character from the Founding of America". Madison had nothing to do with the founding of America. He didn't attend any continental congress meetings until 1780. They had already voted to become an independent nation, and were already several years into the Revolutionary war. Madison had great influence over the constitution-but not over the actual founding of America.

Second of all people confuse Madison's great contributions to this country, with his average presidency (at best). Madison wasn't that great of a president. Same can be said for Adams really (who was one of the most important, and arguably the most influential of the FFs).

In all honesty if the Brits were busy fighting wars already-we would have lost both the revolutionary and the war of 1812.

And nobody knows what the FFs would think of today. It's been hundreds of years-and the world has changed. It's a much different world. Plus you can find quotes from any one of the founding fathers to support virtually any argument.

1780...make one think of Madison as a Founder...unless one thinks he had absolutely NO influence on anything until 1780.

gawd, you're an interesting tool