Zone1 Luther was the Father of Liberalism

[Anathema]

All of creation began with a word: Light. Words have power, and some (not me because I can't sing) believe song gives words even more power. Imagine being able to create with words. (I'm all in favor of this as my fingers don't seem to have much talent when it comes to creating/building.)

that for sure would be boring - all in the heavens are equal ... universe is a big place, 10000 years will not get you very far.

I think you both missed my point. The hymn suggests that our purpose in Heaven is simply to sing the praises of God, for eternity.

I have zero interest in doing that for ten seconds, never mind ten thousand years and definitely not eternity. I’ll take the lake of eternal torturous fire, thank you very much.

 

[BreezeWood]

I think you both missed my point. The hymn suggests that our purpose in Heaven is simply to sing the praises of God, for eternity.

I have zero interest in doing that for ten seconds, never mind ten thousand years and definitely not eternity. I’ll take the lake of eternal torturous fire, thank you very much.

that for sure would be boring - all in the heavens are equal ... universe is a big place, 10000 years will not get you very far.

more disagreeing w/ your interpretation of the heavens, no one is praised everyone is their own spirit to do as they please.

 

[Anathema]

more disagreeing w/ your interpretation of the heavens, no one is praised everyone is their own spirit to do as they please.

That is a very different take on Heaven than I have seen from pretty much every source I’ve ever come across. You may be right. I may be wrong. I have zero interest in a debate on the topic. Either way, I don’t want to take the chance that I’m right.

 

[BreezeWood]

That is a very different take on Heaven than I have seen from pretty much every source I’ve ever come across. You may be right. I may be wrong. I have zero interest in a debate on the topic. Either way, I don’t want to take the chance that I’m right.

surly life after death, spiritual in that beginning is something special to have accomplished regardless of belief being as possible to stumble into heaven -

overwhelming outcome for most is simply perish when their time is up.

 

[surada]

wow, you don't seem too deep

Why do you think Martin Luther was a liberal? Remember. The French Catholics slaughtered the Huguenots.

 

[surada]

Probably because its simplistic rubbish. Why not just admit Jesus was himself a 'liberal', and stop pretending you have a clue?

Martin Luther and Me - Boston Review

I am a son of Martin Luther. As was my father. As was his father. But as a German man living through today’s German and European politics, what

www.bostonreview.net

 

[surada]

Militant atheists are like short people... no reason to live.

Militant Catholics are a nuisance as well.

 

[Anathema]

overwhelming outcome for most is simply perish when their time is up

That would be a better option than Heaven.

 

[Picaro]

Militant Catholics are a nuisance as well.

Not nearly enough. They let Islam survive to plague the world.

 

[BreezeWood]

That would be a better option than Heaven.

you have allowed others or misfortune to define your own heaven - that place is outside your self ...

your option is not better its just your resignation of hope something worth while exists.

 

[BreezeWood]

Not nearly enough. They let Islam survive to plague the world.

true, jesus would have repudiated both christianity and islam along w/ judaism if they had existed during their time on earth. as you will, the three plagues ...

they knew their liberation theology, self determination would meet stiff resistance against the crucifiers.

 

[surada]

Not nearly enough. They let Islam survive to plague the world.

You really don't know anything about Islam. Muhammad preached, "Save yourselves. I cannot save you. Return to the God of Abraham".

Like the Jews, they don't believe Jesus is the son of God. They think Jesus is the purest of the prophets, born of a virgin from the mind of God.

 

[Anathema]

you have allowed others or misfortune to define your own heaven - that place is outside your self ...


your option is not better its just your resignation of hope something worth while exists.

Personally I believe that there are many “better places” and an equal number of “worse places” in the afterlife. I also believe a very large erector souls come back hrrr multiple times before their ultimate fate is decided.

What I’ve said is that if I turn out to be wrong, and the only options are the Christian Heaven/Hell duopoly, I’d prefer Hell.

 

[ding]

Militant Catholics are a nuisance as well.

Sure. Militant anything ain't good.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Sorry, I’m not interested in waiting that long. As i said earlier, l don’t do “deferred compensation”. If a deity wants my worship, the benefits better be immediate.

God doesn't need your worship or anyone else's. I myself never liked the word Worship, but it has its place. We worship (OK, focus on) God for OUR OWN sakes, not His. He will go on living in Heaven long after millions and billions.. have pitched themselves into Hell.
We love God because we need to love Him.. we are pathetic, lost (some eternally) creatures without Him

 

[forkintheroad7]

Sorry, I’m not interested in waiting that long. As i said earlier, l don’t do “deferred compensation”. If a deity wants my worship, the benefits better be immediate.

Benefits from God have already been given to you. You are alive.. you have the ability to type, obviously and I think I read somewhere in a past post that you are married. Some of us do not have a human person to help us through life.. You can say that is by choice and you'd be correct RE yours truly, and yet the Word say "It is not good for man to be alone" and those of us who are alone know how true that can be..
But anyhow, yeh.. you have benefited from God and you don't appear to appreciate anything or much of anything He's done for you.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I’m willing take that chance. Then again I’m enough of a SOB, maybe I’ll just take over when I get there.

That's what we've heard ad nauseum. Hell is nothing to joke about. It last forever

 

[forkintheroad7]

I don’t need the videos. I’ve talked to people who’ve passed and gone in both directions before coming back. I don’t find the reports of Heaven any better than those of Hell.

To quote a popular Hymn in regards to Heaven…. “When we’ve been there ten thousand years, bright shining as the sun; we’ve no less days to sing Gods praise than when we’d first begun.” Doesn’t sound like my type of place.

So you are going to base your eternal options on a SONG?

Wow.. you really are lost

 

[Anathema]

Benefits from God have already been given to you

Not ones I’m interested in. Including life. I’ve often considered how much better off I’d be dead.

Wow.. you really are lost

Yep. Beyond redemption. So there’s no point in you folks prophetizing towards me anymore.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I think you both missed my point. The hymn suggests that our purpose in Heaven is simply to sing the praises of God, for eternity.

I have zero interest in doing that for ten seconds, never mind ten thousand years and definitely not eternity. I’ll take the lake of eternal torturous fire, thank you very much.

You obviously don't know God (none of us knows all about him..). If you did, you would want to worship Him or whatever other word you put on it. I myself prefer the word Focus (on God), not worship. I don't know WHY that is, though.. as stated b4 I've been angry with Him but

going to the holy Mass.. even in the NO sect.. used to be the highlight of my life. There is more than one reason why I do not attend Mass anywhere regularly at this time.. but it is NOT my fault.
I digress some, but this info is important.. to anyone who cares to listen. I'll just say this: Have you never been.. to an ocean? Have you ever appreciated the majesty of the ocean? Or of the tall, tall trees and pristine wilderness of.. say, Montana around Bozeman (or just about anywhere in MT)?

And you don't appreciate God when you do that?

I can't relate..