Looks Like The World, Lead By The US, Is Abandoning Israel

[Sherlock Holmes]

Under Islamic law everyone who isn't Muslim is a second class citizen who can be oppressed and persecuted, so of course they resent the state of Israel.

" From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce."

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

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Bur however much they miss the days when Muslims could look down on all non Muslims, they stopped making war on Israel because there was no benefit in it for the people. Today, only Iran and its proxies, and you, are crazy enough to be willing to sacrifice the lives of their people in the vain and futile hope of turning back the clock to the time when Muslims could oppress and persecute non Muslims with impunity.

This is simply untrue, a distorted representation of a large subject. Think about this if you can think:

If it were true that Muslims have always hated Jews and have always sought their extermination, why would the Zionists choose to situate Israel in the midst of a huge Muslim population?

Why do that and endure never ending war and strife and death? The answer to this puzzle is easy, Muslims in Palestine never posed an existential threat to Jews because if it were true, the Zionists would never have sought to settle there.

The Zionists settled there because it was not dangerous, it only became dangerous when the Arabs began to resist the growth of the colonial Jewish state, that is to say it is the Israelis who have made it dangerous.

 

[toomuchtime_]

This is simply untrue, a distorted representation of a large subject. Think about this if you can think:

If it were true that Muslims have always hated Jews and have always sought their extermination, why would the Zionists choose to situate Israel in the midst of a huge Muslim population?

Why do that and endure never ending war and strife and death? The answer to this puzzle is easy, Muslims in Palestine never posed an existential threat to Jews because if it were true, the Zionists would never have sought to settle there.

As always, dumb as a rock. Muslims treating all non Muslims as second class citizens who were oppressed and persecuted is a fact of history. Google "Jews second class citizens" and you will find pages of links from credible sources.

Jews didn't "situate" Israel in the ME, moron, it's where Israel always was. The Torah is about Jews in Israel and the Gospels are about Jews in Israel and every year for a thousand years Passover ended with the prayer, "Next year in Jerusalem", you ignorant asshole.

Muslim superiority is a core value of Muslim law, Muslim culture, Muslim religion and all non Muslims suffered for it, but after 1920 Jews immigrated to Palestine under the promised protection of Britain and the League of Nations, and the reality of Muslim superiority was a thing of the past.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

As always, dumb as a rock. Muslims treating all non Muslims as second class citizens who were oppressed and persecuted is a fact of history. Google "Jews second class citizens" and you will find pages of links from credible sources.

Jews didn't "situate" Israel in the ME, moron, it's where Israel always was. The Torah is about Jews in Israel and the Gospels are about Jews in Israel and every year for a thousand years Passover ended with the prayer, "Next year in Jerusalem", you ignorant asshole.

OK, very well, so they can only blame themselves then for choosing to build a Jewish state in the midst of millions of Jew hating Muslims, if they chose to live there then how can anyone - especially them - act all surprised when they get attacked by Muslim terrorists?

Muslim superiority is a core value of Muslim law, Muslim culture, Muslim religion and all non Muslims suffered for it, but after 1920 Jews immigrated to Palestine under the promised protection of Britain and the League of Nations, and the reality of Muslim superiority was a thing of the past.

Well as I just said, IF all of what you say is true THEN it is totally self-inflicted to live amidst millions of people who you know want to exterminate you. It's their own fault, they chose to live in danger.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

toomuchtime_ - You do realize I hope, that many Jews regard the gospels as the most antisemitic document ever penned? Just by being a Christian and advocating claims from the NT you are an antisemite - did you not know this? would you like a source?

 

[Mac-7]

Looks Like The World, Lead By The US, Is Abandoning Israel​

Israel will survive

Its the rest of the world that's on death watch

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

My first reaction is why is Israel and Ukraine in the news so much. Now more so Israel. Those wars have zero effect on mainland America. How about solving homelessness in America?

Second reaction is the unfortunate attitude of some pro Israel people. They sound just like BLM people calling people racist for not agree with Israeli politicians… Most of the critics of Israel are Jews anyway. Again, this is some pro Israel people others recognize the common sense that it is Israel’s choice to do what it is doing, and if people are disagreeing with Israeli politics doesn’t make the antisemitic. I mean many people in Israel blame their government for either a false flag attack on October 7 or allowing the attack to occur in the most monitored area of the world.

Israel is not surrounded by enemies. They’re only real opponents Are Iran and the Iran backed militias in southern Lebanon. Now there’s all sorts of peace deals between Israel and Arab Sunni countries.

Israel does not face extermination. They lost what 1500 people and killed about 70,000 Palestinians? As the Palestinians have no conventional military. Israel has nukes …I mean Iran has done nothing to Israel, even after their top military leaders were killed along with the top Hezbollah military leaders being killed.

No one in the media or really no politicians talk about the wars in myanmar or Somalia. There’s plenty of good innocent people they are caught up in those wars. These wars in Israel and Ukraine are never about good versus bad or morality. It’s all propaganda. Why our western media outlets not talking about the humanitarian issues in Somalia? What they don’t count ? How about the millions of fellow Christian suffering in Haiti that we never hear about.

Inflation and the high prices. That’s the number one concern for American people.

 

[justoffal]

Iran's own people are against the government in Iran. They just can't come out and say it now or they'd be beheaded.

That's right

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I agree with the Republican Thomas Massey. No more tax dollars to foreign countries until we clean up our mess in America.

How about Irish Americans. Do you remember when the Irish were attempting to gain independence in Northern Ireland. There are way more Irish Americans and Catholics compared to Jewish Americans in America. Why wasn’t the American political machine and media giving as much attention to cause of Irish freedom in the 1960s and 1970s they are with Israel now in 2024?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

Even as an American of Irish and Catholic background. When those struggles were going on in northern Ireland, I would’ve said don’t send taxpayer dollars to Northern Ireland. But just allow individual Americans to support either side. You could do the same thing today with Israel and Palestine. Israel would raise billions of dollars from private donors. Follow the example of American stance tour the Spanish Civil War.

And Israel does not need the money obviously…as they have a conventional military with nuclear weapons facing off against Palestinians with nothing but rocks and stones, and maybe a few glorified fireworks.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Iran's own people are against the government in Iran. They just can't come out and say it now or they'd be beheaded.

Know-It-All Nincompoops

The Iranian people aren't going to solve our problems there for us. That's just an excuse for inaction. The ignorant pundits who feed us these talking points should STFU. In fact, they never predict a revolution, either. Only wishful thinking from the established thinkeries.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

My first reaction is why is Israel and Ukraine in the news so much. Now more so Israel. Those wars have zero effect on mainland America. How about solving homelessness in America?

Second reaction is the unfortunate attitude of some pro Israel people. They sound just like BLM people calling people racist for not agree with Israeli politicians… Most of the critics of Israel are Jews anyway. Again, this is some pro Israel people others recognize the common sense that it is Israel’s choice to do what it is doing, and if people are disagreeing with Israeli politics doesn’t make the antisemitic. I mean many people in Israel blame their government for either a false flag attack on October 7 or allowing the attack to occur in the most monitored area of the world.

Israel is not surrounded by enemies. They’re only real opponents Are Iran and the Iran backed militias in southern Lebanon. Now there’s all sorts of peace deals between Israel and Arab Sunni countries.

Israel does not face extermination. They lost what 1500 people and killed about 70,000 Palestinians? As the Palestinians have no conventional military. Israel has nukes …I mean Iran has done nothing to Israel, even after their top military leaders were killed along with the top Hezbollah military leaders being killed.

No one in the media or really no politicians talk about the wars in myanmar or Somalia. There’s plenty of good innocent people they are caught up in those wars. These wars in Israel and Ukraine are never about good versus bad or morality. It’s all propaganda. Why our western media outlets not talking about the humanitarian issues in Somalia? What they don’t count ? How about the millions of fellow Christian suffering in Haiti that we never hear about.

Inflation and the high prices. That’s the number one concern for American people.

Well said. The only wars reported on our TV news are wars where the US wants people to see other states' crimes but only those state's that are our "enemies" when our "friends" commit atrocities these get censored out.

The Zionist lobby shapes what we see and hear about Israel, they know the American public are gullible and easily led and so they can spoon feed their narrative to us, aiming to minimize criticism of the regime.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Iran's own people are against the government in Iran.

Just like our own people were against the government of the United States four years ago.

They just can't come out and say it now or they'd be beheaded.

Just like in Saudi Arabia, that other extreme Islamic country that MAGA cultists never want to talk about or criticize.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I agree with the Republican Thomas Massey. No more tax dollars to foreign countries until we clean up our mess in America.

How about Irish Americans. Do you remember when the Irish were attempting to gain independence in Northern Ireland. There are way more Irish Americans and Catholics compared to Jewish Americans in America. Why wasn’t the American political machine and media giving as much attention to cause of Irish freedom in the 1960s and 1970s they are with Israel now in 2024?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

Even as an American of Irish and Catholic background. When those struggles were going on in northern Ireland, I would’ve said don’t send taxpayer dollars to Northern Ireland. But just allow individual Americans to support either side. You could do the same thing today with Israel and Palestine. Israel would raise billions of dollars from private donors. Follow the example of American stance tour the Spanish Civil War.

And Israel does not need the money obviously…as they have a conventional military with nuclear weapons facing off against Palestinians with nothing but rocks and stones, and maybe a few glorified fireworks.

Israel Is Our Shield and Needs to Be Reinforced

The Israeli-Moslem war is part of our defense against the global jihad. It's not the local and Jewish problem you're trying to contextualize it as. But our media and appeasing State Department don't dare say that we've been the target of Islamic imperialism since 1928, when the Moslem Brotherhood was founded as a re-birth of the jihad lost by the Turks.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Well said. The only wars reported on our TV news are wars where the US wants people to see other states' crimes but only those state's that are our "enemies" when our "friends" commit atrocities these get censored out.

The Zionist lobby shapes what we see and hear about Israel, they know the American public are gullible and easily led and so they can spoon feed their narrative to us, aiming to minimize criticism of the regime.

I hear this. And just as a Republican Thomas Massey said it is unbelievable to see the power of the Israeli lobby. He said that almost every Congress person in America has an APAC Guy. Now this makes no sense whatsoever. Why isn’t there a powerful Irish Catholic lobby in America???? Because there’s way more Irish Americans than there are Jewish Americans.

Even those BLM politicians in America are Israel. Like Jasmine Crockett who is a hack politician. She said we should continue to send money to Israel, even if people think that their current government is inhumane out of the hopes that in the future they will change. What a ridiculous logic that is.

the few American politicians that have truly disagreed with Israel we’re knocked out of office ….with millions of dollars poured into their opponents political campaigns by the Israeli lobby.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Israel Is Our Shield and Needs to Be Reinforced

The Israeli-Moslem war is part of our defense against the global jihad. It's not the local and Jewish problem you're trying to contextualize it as. But our media and appeasing State Department don't dare say that we've been the target of Islamic imperialism since 1928, when the Moslem Brotherhood was founded as a re-birth of the jihad lost by the Turks.

That’s not occurring anymore. Israel is now surrounded by Allies and peace deals. Their only real opponent is Iran, which which is apparently incapable of doing anything…like a paper tiger.

If you want to send money to Israel, perhaps you should be allowed to. But no more American taxpayer dollars when we have homeless Americans, and out of control inflation.

Also, this absurdity of calling Israel’s opponents “terrorists” . What Palestinians who fight Israel are doing is no different than what Zionist did who blew up British hotels in 1948. It’s because Palestinians lack a conventional military.

Also how in the most monitored area of the world was October 7 allowed to occur? You see it’s a lot of Jewish people in Israel who are way more critical of the Israeli government compared to me. They’re the ones asking how could this even have happened… was it a false flag?

 

[justoffal]

Yup, you wingnuts have been saying that since 1978. I'm sure the Shah's kid is still waiting for that phone call.

The uprising they had about 10 years ago was subdued with brutality, violence and death.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The point being that this is a unique situation for the USA to be pulling support for a close alley which is defending itself from heinous assault---

after a certain point it went past defending themselves and more into retribution and revenge.

 

[JoeB131]

As always, not a single word of truth in your post.

Actually, more truth than you can handle.

I'm old enough to remember when the Zionists had Americans convinced those Palestinians were all a bunch of dirty stinking commies!

Now they are all dirty stinking Jihadists because that's what Americans are scared of now.

 

[JoeB131]

The uprising they had about 10 years ago was subdued with brutality, violence and death.

You mean a few dozen deaths?

I guess they didn't want it that bad.

 

[Mac-7]

What a divided country we have become