Looks like Microsoft

[iamwhatiseem]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

 

[Ringel05]

If MS really gave a hoot in hell about what their customers wanted, they would have continued improving XP.

Dude, really? Why would you use a horse and buggy in this day and age........?

I don't....You know I'm Linux guy.

Notwithstanding that, XP worked great, was totally stable, and people loved it.....Why reinvent the wheel?

While true, XP was also having trouble keeping up with modern tech. I was reading about adding more hardware and CPU support, was making the existing code bloated.

The reality is, at some point you really do have to start over from scratch. It just is, what it is.

If you really are a Linux guy, then I would assume you know this. When you keep adding and adding and adding to code, with new revision after new revision, you can unfortunately end up with massive encyclopedia of code, where some of the code written by retired programmers, no one has any idea what it does anymore.

Sometimes you need to just start over.

You are right that XP was a good version. I used it up 2013 when I started using Win 7, which I used until 2017.
That said, Windows 10 is better than I expected it to be. So I am not entirely disappointed.

I'm a Linux guy because they don't keep reinventing it every time they launch a newer version...With a very few tweaks, they mostly keep the interfaces the same.

My mom has Windoze ∞ on her latest laptop, and it took me several minutes just to find the on/off function....Fuck dat!

Creating operating systems is not like motorcycle maintenance boy. Without precise calculations you'd fly right into a piece of malware or a super nova code explosion and that would end your trip real quick.........
(Think Han Solo........)
Honestly this obviously is not your area of expertise, definitively commenting on it with such a complete lack of understanding the what and why doesn't necessarily make you look knowledgeable, just the opposite.
XP had to be scrapped to keep up with changing times and technology, it couldn't adapt just as Windows 7 (my favorite) will eventually hit that wall also. Like 99.9% of all people on the planet you don't like change, I understand but the only thing in the world that is unchangeable is change. We roll with it or we resist it, that's fine also, whatever your choice is.

 

[Ringel05]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

 

[Ringel05]

The one with the launch bar that I make disappear on the left.

Uuummmmm, so you changed........ (Gnome 3)

 

[Andylusion]

If MS really gave a hoot in hell about what their customers wanted, they would have continued improving XP.

Dude, really? Why would you use a horse and buggy in this day and age........?

I don't....You know I'm Linux guy.

Notwithstanding that, XP worked great, was totally stable, and people loved it.....Why reinvent the wheel?

While true, XP was also having trouble keeping up with modern tech. I was reading about adding more hardware and CPU support, was making the existing code bloated.

The reality is, at some point you really do have to start over from scratch. It just is, what it is.

If you really are a Linux guy, then I would assume you know this. When you keep adding and adding and adding to code, with new revision after new revision, you can unfortunately end up with massive encyclopedia of code, where some of the code written by retired programmers, no one has any idea what it does anymore.

Sometimes you need to just start over.

You are right that XP was a good version. I used it up 2013 when I started using Win 7, which I used until 2017.
That said, Windows 10 is better than I expected it to be. So I am not entirely disappointed.

I'm a Linux guy because they don't keep reinventing it every time they launch a newer version...With a very few tweaks, they mostly keep the interfaces the same.

My mom has Windoze ∞ on her latest laptop, and it took me several minutes just to find the on/off function....Fuck dat!

Gnome 2 or Gnome 3?

I was just thinking the same thing. I had a large update on Mint, and they disabled my sound, disconnected my wifi drivers, and changed half the menus.

I think Linux reinvents itself almost as much as any other operating system.

 

[Oddball]

The one with the launch bar that I make disappear on the left.

Uuummmmm, so you changed........ (Gnome 3)

Riiight....But I didn't need a separate 40-minute instruction track to tell me how to use it...And it has remained very much the same since its rollout.

 

[Likkmee]

sudo apt-get install xfce

 

[Ringel05]

The one with the launch bar that I make disappear on the left.

Uuummmmm, so you changed........ (Gnome 3)

Riiight....But I didn't need a separate 40-minute instruction track to tell me how to use it...And it has remained very much the same since its rollout.

I don't know about that, my current version of Mint looks very little like my first version of Mint........ Dude, no one is telling you you have to use Windows, no one is telling you you have to like it just saying you're making statements that have no basis in fact, referring to "they didn't stay with the operating system I like and they should have!!!!!!!"

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

 

[Ringel05]

The one with the launch bar that I make disappear on the left.

Uuummmmm, so you changed........ (Gnome 3)

Riiight....But I didn't need a separate 40-minute instruction track to tell me how to use it...And it has remained very much the same since its rollout.

I don't know about that, my current version of Mint looks very little like my first version of Mint........ Dude, no one is telling you you have to use Windows, no one is telling you you have to like it just saying you're making statements that have no basis in fact, referring to "they didn't stay with the operating system I like and they should have!!!!!!!"

The real backlash started when Ubuntu tried the first "one size fits all" approach with Unity, Microsoft didn't learn from Ubuntu's mistake and tried the same thing with Windows 8. We know how well that went over, they somewhat changed it with Win 10 bringing back at least a version of the old Start Menu with Tiles attached because a lot of people liked that.
You want the old Win 7 or XP style Start Menu? Buy and download Startisback for $4 and no more Windows 10 Start Menu. Get Win10Apps for free to uninstall all the bloatware that MS hasn't already removed and get Winaero's free Windows Tweaker to take care of just about everything else. I've spent about the same amount of time configuring my Linux distos as I have my Windows machines and all the games I like play on Windows but not on my Linux.

 

[Ringel05]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

Until they go too far and anti-trust laws take over, it will happen if google doesn't control itself. It's already happened not long ago and actually it's happening again now, the Justice Department is looking intently at Google right now because Google apparently didn't go far enough to correct itself last time.

 

[Andylusion]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

I'm ok with it.

If you don't like Google, then don't use it. Right now I use primarily duck duck go.
DuckDuckGo — Privacy, simplified.

No trackers. No data mining.

If you don't like Google, then don't use it. The reason that people use Google, is because it provides the best service.

Complaining that Google has the most internet searching, is basically complaining "People are using the company that provides them the best quality service! That's terrible! They should use more crappy services!".

And honestly, I'm not worried about it. There's another thread that showed the differences in popular website numbers, since 1996. The one thing you notice pretty clearly is that previous titans of the internet, that controlled 3/4ths of the entire net, in a matter of 10 years, went from leading the entire world, to virtually non-existent.

There is no such thing as "too big to fail". Google in 10 to 15 years.... could if they do not keep their competitive edge, just like their former competitors didn't.... disappear into internet history.

So as long as Google keeps doing what they do best.... who cares if everyone uses the company that provides the best service?

 

[Andylusion]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

Until they go too far and anti-trust laws take over, it will happen if google doesn't control itself. It's already happened not long ago and actually it's happening again now, the Justice Department is looking intently at Google right now because Google apparently didn't go far enough to correct itself.

It will just cause google to dump tons of money into lobbying. But nothing will change.

If they break google up into separate companies, it will just result in smaller companies dying off, and one company taking back over as lead search engine. Everyone is going to focus on one search engine. It's natural to the market.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

Until they go too far and anti-trust laws take over, it will happen if google doesn't control itself. It's already happened not long ago and actually it's happening again now, the Justice Department is looking intently at Google right now because Google apparently didn't go far enough to correct itself.

Agreed, but at what point, if not already there, is Google the internet, and the internet is Google? It's almost there.
So today if the government said - hey you guys have to split up... who is "you guys" and what other guy is there to go to?
Bing?
Seriously, the internet as we know it... IS Google. As in you can't go to the internet without Google. So...
But I digress... I am anti-corporate...so trying not to bring the upstairs downstairs..

 

[Oddball]

The real backlash started when Ubuntu tried the first "one size fits all" approach with Unity, Microsoft didn't learn from Ubuntu's mistake and tried the same thing with Windows 8. We know how well that went over, they somewhat changed it with Win 10 bringing back at least a version of the old Start Menu with Tiles attached because a lot of people liked that.
You want the old Win 7 or XP style Start Menu? Buy and download Startisback for $4 and no more Windows 10 Start Menu. Get Win10Apps for free to uninstall all the bloatware that MS hasn't already removed and get Winaero's free Windows Tweaker to take care of just about everything else. I've spent about the same amount of time configuring my Linux distos as I have my Windows machines and all the games I like play on Windows but not on my Linux.

The only reason I keep a machine with Widoze on it anymore...It's my gamer.

 

[edward37]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

I'm ok with it.

If you don't like Google, then don't use it. Right now I use primarily duck duck go.
DuckDuckGo — Privacy, simplified.

No trackers. No data mining.

If you don't like Google, then don't use it. The reason that people use Google, is because it provides the best service.

Complaining that Google has the most internet searching, is basically complaining "People are using the company that provides them the best quality service! That's terrible! They should use more crappy services!".

And honestly, I'm not worried about it. There's another thread that showed the differences in popular website numbers, since 1996. The one thing you notice pretty clearly is that previous titans of the internet, that controlled 3/4ths of the entire net, in a matter of 10 years, went from leading the entire world, to virtually non-existent.

There is no such thing as "too big to fail". Google in 10 to 15 years.... could if they do not keep their competitive edge, just like their former competitors didn't.... disappear into internet history.

So as long as Google keeps doing what they do best.... who cares if everyone uses the company that provides the best service?

I don't need google ,,My wife knows everything

 

[Andylusion]

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

I'm ok with it.

If you don't like Google, then don't use it. Right now I use primarily duck duck go.
DuckDuckGo — Privacy, simplified.

No trackers. No data mining.

If you don't like Google, then don't use it. The reason that people use Google, is because it provides the best service.

Complaining that Google has the most internet searching, is basically complaining "People are using the company that provides them the best quality service! That's terrible! They should use more crappy services!".

And honestly, I'm not worried about it. There's another thread that showed the differences in popular website numbers, since 1996. The one thing you notice pretty clearly is that previous titans of the internet, that controlled 3/4ths of the entire net, in a matter of 10 years, went from leading the entire world, to virtually non-existent.

There is no such thing as "too big to fail". Google in 10 to 15 years.... could if they do not keep their competitive edge, just like their former competitors didn't.... disappear into internet history.

So as long as Google keeps doing what they do best.... who cares if everyone uses the company that provides the best service?

I don't need google ,,My wife knows everything

Yeah, I know that. That's why I live alone. I don't need a nagging person to make my life miserable.

 

[Andylusion]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

I disagree. If the Chrome ends up being the absolute best web browser in the world..... why are you opposed to people using the best?

And if it isn't, then someone will come up with a better solution, and start taking back market share.

I've used other web browsers. Opera, Seamonkey, Safari, Firefox, and so on. Only Firefox is good enough to compete with Edge and Chrome. Even then, it's close. Firefox isn't significantly better.

 

[Ringel05]

The real backlash started when Ubuntu tried the first "one size fits all" approach with Unity, Microsoft didn't learn from Ubuntu's mistake and tried the same thing with Windows 8. We know how well that went over, they somewhat changed it with Win 10 bringing back at least a version of the old Start Menu with Tiles attached because a lot of people liked that.
You want the old Win 7 or XP style Start Menu? Buy and download Startisback for $4 and no more Windows 10 Start Menu. Get Win10Apps for free to uninstall all the bloatware that MS hasn't already removed and get Winaero's free Windows Tweaker to take care of just about everything else. I've spent about the same amount of time configuring my Linux distos as I have my Windows machines and all the games I like play on Windows but not on my Linux.

The only reason I keep a machine with Widoze on it anymore...It's my gamer.

Well good for you......
Look, everything changes we change with it or not. I'm learning that despite some things I don't like Win 10 is a good, solid operating system but I'm also using equipment that is relatively new so I don't have the upgrade issues many have with older machines and drivers. Besides I have Windows driver update turned off, I update my own drivers, problem solved, I also have telemetry completely disabled. I use a Local Account to log in so I'm not signed into Microsoft unless I choose to be and Cortana doesn't run at all on my machines.

 

[Oddball]

Is really learning to play well with others. And listening to the end users, in this instance pretty much from watching the Edge market share tumble like a boulder rolling down a mountain over the last few years.

The new Edge Chromium to be released January 15th is a radical change for Microsoft and potentially a good thing for end users.

The new Edge browser is faster and more reliable than ever

Still, as it stands, this Chromium version of Edge is already a step forward. It is faster, efficient, cleaner, and comes with support for a wide variety of extensions — not just what Microsoft wants you to use. These are some of the most important things in a modern web browser, and things can only get better from here on out.

I think this is a good deal honestly. It will force both sides to remain competitive.

Anything that operates better in Edge, will naturally be replicated in Chromium. It's safe to assume such replications will filter through Chrome products eventually.

Equally, whatever innovations on the Chrome side, will naturally filter into Edge.

And of course, we can assume that all innovations on either side, will force the rest of the market to maintain parity.

So this can only be a good long term benefit for all customers.

At first I was completely against this, because of my unique dislike of all things Microsoft. But the more I considered the market effects, it is nearly impossible to see how this would be bad.

No
Quite the opposite.
It literally reinforces Google's control.
It s more like "if you can't beat em' join em'.
And that is what Microsoft is doing. Instead of employing X number of employees and resources in a losing battle against Chrome... they threw in the towel and joined up.
In as little as 2 years one company will control 99% plus of the worlds internet experience. Including the ability to throttle/censor and direct information.
That is a terrifically bad thing.

Not sure you're not over exaggerating here. Even Google is aware that such control could bring about potential violent backlashes, with any luck they're smart enough not to go down that road.

As of July, Google enjoyed 88.61% of the global search market share. One company. Almost 90%. Of the entire world.
Bing will end. Sooner than later. As you point out, Steve Balmer is gone, and with him also left the monumental arrogance and wasting $100's millions on projects and propping up failed ideas. Bing is one of those failures. It barely exists.
When it dies, Google will gain another 3%, making them control just over 92%.
Google controls what you see, most of the time, primarily by who pays them the most money to appear towards the top of what you are searching for.
That information may even be false, or at best misleading. The internet is how people get information overwhelmingly. And having one company, which is controlled by a hand full of board members...means literally a handful of people currently controls 90% of what people see when they search on the internet.

Bing goes away and I'll use Duck Duck Go more than I do now...Have as much google as practicable disabled on my phone...Never liked google that much from the beginning.