Look what we have here.

What would proportional representation have to d with a situation like this?

Proportional Representation would change a lot.

It changes how people vote.

We know this because Germany votes FPTP and PR on the same day, and they get results as different as 10% of the population changing their vote, even though they know that PR will decide the make up of the Bundestag.

The largest two parties almost always lose votes from FPTP to PR. Why? Because with FPTP people feel they have two choices and so will vote for one of those two, often negatively. With PR they don't feel they need to vote for the big parties.

In 2015 UKIP, a UK political party (now called Reform) got 12.6% of the vote and 1 seat.

In 2017 the AfD, a similar party in Germany, got 12.6% of the vote and 94 seats.

The difference here is clear, PR gives people the choice to vote third party and not waste their vote.

The AfD is more likely to force the larger parties to change the way they do things. It's easier for the voters to punish the larger parties if they don't like what they're doing. With FPTP it'd take a huge movement of votes to punish the main party.

You get more political parties, that stand for more things.

The Republican Party barely stands for anything, different parts of the party run on different platforms and at the end of the day nobody knows.

With PR if you want a right wing govt but oppose this one policy, you vote for the party that is right wing but opposes that one policy.

With FPTP you have a choice of voting right wing, or voting against that one policy and wasting your vote.
 
For some, change means acknowledging the underlying pain. It's a fear response.

Or they're just ignorant. How many people even know there's a choice beyond what exists?

Based on this forum, I'd say very few.
 
Or they're just ignorant. How many people even know there's a choice beyond what exists?

Based on this forum, I'd say very few.
"Blissful ignorance."

Because some choose to be, rather than doing so unwittingly.
 
"Blissful ignorance."

Because some choose to be, rather than doing so unwittingly.

Yes, but they end up suffering because of it, because their politicians are on the take and taking their money.
 
Well, this is modern day politics.

If you wanted sensible politics, you'd support Proportional Representation. Do you?
If we wanted sensible politics we'd force Democrats into exile in a faraway land never to return the sick F's.
 
More political violence threats from the left .. lovely! and the Virginia Democrats do nothing except slap him on the wrist and "force" him to apologize. He should be kicked out of the election and eat crow to enjoy the consequences he created over his extremist views and actions.
 
Well, this is modern day politics.

If you wanted sensible politics, you'd support Proportional Representation. Do you?

Nothing is stopping candidates from getting elected except their radical batshit crazy ideas. Clearly America doesn't want what you are peddling.

Back to the topic at hand, nobody is surprised that liberal candidates mirror the violence, hatred, and intolerance of the base.
 
15th post
Proportional representation is a way for one party to dominate election results.
~~~~~~>
Indeed, is that what DSA Democrats have been doing for decades?
Democrats proportionally dominate the Blue Plantation cities while leaving the small towns out of the loop.
 

A Dem AG candidate in VA after sending violent texts. If he was a Republican we would hearing about his 24/7.
Don't hold your breath for this to be condemned on the evening news or in a NYT headline. It's a Democrat, not a Republican, saying it.
 
Well, that was is bad taste.


But then again, so is so much of the dialogue from both sides these days.
 

New Topics

Back
Top Bottom