Long-term warming trend continued in 2017: NASA, NOAA

[Sunsettommy]

They ARE changing the baselines and temperature data over and over,

And you have no idea whatsoever why, you understand less than nothing about any of this, and you are nothing more than a crazy person on the corner with a bullhorn.

So, keep right on squawking and whining....it affects nothing.

Or, step up to the plate and produce some science. Join a debate at a university.

Haha, just kidding...you would get laughed out of the room....

I see that you can't be civil or make a decent counter reply, it is clear you have NOTHING to offer here in the way of a mature debate.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They ARE changing the baselines and temperature data over and over,

And you have no idea whatsoever why, you understand less than nothing about any of this, and you are nothing more than a crazy person on the corner with a bullhorn.

So, keep right on squawking and whining....it affects nothing.

Or, step up to the plate and produce some science. Join a debate at a university.

Haha, just kidding...you would get laughed out of the room....

I see that you can't be civil or make a decent counter reply, it is clear you have NOTHING to offer here in the way of a mature debate.

You are correct, i have no reply for you of the type you seek. I will leave the thread and leave you guys to your home.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Try explaining these big differences:

Or this in contrast to NCAR,

 

[tycho1572]

I never thought I’d see the day when democrats would find a way to profit on something that’s been happening for millions of years. lol

 

[Sunsettommy]

They ARE changing the baselines and temperature data over and over,

And you have no idea whatsoever why, you understand less than nothing about any of this, and you are nothing more than a crazy person on the corner with a bullhorn.

So, keep right on squawking and whining....it affects nothing.

Or, step up to the plate and produce some science. Join a debate at a university.

Haha, just kidding...you would get laughed out of the room....

I see that you can't be civil or make a decent counter reply, it is clear you have NOTHING to offer here in the way of a mature debate.

You are correct, i have no reply for you of the type you seek. I will leave the thread and leave you guys to your home.

You can't even scrape the bottom of the barrel!

You CAN"T reply because you have NOTHING to reply with.

Sleep well kid.

 

[flacaltenn]

They ARE changing the baselines and temperature data over and over,

And you have no idea whatsoever why, you understand less than nothing about any of this, and you are nothing more than a crazy person on the corner with a bullhorn.

So, keep right on squawking and whining....it affects nothing.

Or, step up to the plate and produce some science. Join a debate at a university.

Haha, just kidding...you would get laughed out of the room....

Oh we have a very CLEAR picture of their justifications based on papers published by their scientists like the former political activist in a labcoat, James Hansen, who USED to head GISS. His favorite argument is the Urban Heating effect does not matter. Argued based on the premise that the running baseline used to change raw temperatures into anomaly numbers normalizes the historical growth in UHI. But GISS and et have repeatedly changed the BASELINE as well.

Same with NOAA and their papers. Like the one that PUMPED UP the ocean temperatures by giving EQUAL credibility to the 18th CENTURY method of using ship intake temperatures. And giving that TERRIBLE data source EQUAL weighting with other available methods.

It's all fluid and ad hoc and the net result is to COOL the past and WARM the present. Hardly EVER does it go "the other way"...

USED to be back about 2005 that ALL these different measurements done by ground or satellite were in FINE agreement. That's NOT the case any more.

 

[Kosh]

Let us put everything in perspective:

 

[edthecynic]

How do you "adjust" for jet blast? Or the hot days when the HVAC blowing on the station pumps the readings? Or the fleet of panel trucks are idling within 20 yards of the station? Those stations need to be decommisioned and MOVED. That's how you "adjust" them..

You realize that the conditions you describe give LOWER anomalies and when they do what you say, the warming trend will increase, and you will then whine, "they adjusted the data."

Really? So jet blast, HVAC and asphalt produce LOWER thermometer readings? Who knew?

No, they lower ANOMALIES!!!
Geezzzze no wonder you are afraid to debate, you have no idea how temperature trends are calculated.

Anomalies are measured as the deviation from a 30 year AVERAGE temperature at that site, so if the thermometer is near a heat source the AVERAGE temperature the ANOMALY is measured against will be higher, making the deviation from that average smaller.

 

[edthecynic]

Let us put everything in perspective:

Gee, now all of a sudden it is OK to combine proxy data with direct instrument measurements, as long as you don't get a hockey stick.

 

[abu afak]

Suggesting NOAA, GISS, et,c are in this plot to fake the rate of warming

Right, it's cometely insane. The only reason these deniers are not embarrassed of themselves is because they can find nodding sycophants on the internet. And that is only the case because of the entire industry which tries to sow doubt in this science.

They ARE changing the baselines and temperature data over and over, you are willing to LIE to yourself about it but the evidence is absolute since it all from NASA/GISS themselves.

Their old temperature charts are still floating around that now fully contradicted by their recent ones, they vanished the COOLING from the 1940's-1970's that was once around .5C now it is about zero, all from the SAME GISS organization!

I and others have posted them here before, but gets resisted because because it shows the deliberate lies they are promoting.

Many things have to be adjusted over time to accopuntr for betteer measurement.
Things like inter-planetary distance were accurate for the time, but we can now see there mistakes and why and adjust for them.
And see why there numbers needed adjustment.
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[Billy_Bob]

Let us put everything in perspective:

Gee, now all of a sudden it is OK to combine proxy data with direct instrument measurements, as long as you don't get a hockey stick.

Unlike Mann the data is identified and scale noted... Minor little things that allow educated evaluations... The only reason Mann choose to hide these facts is to conceal deception of improper applications and to give a false impression of critical and unnatural warming.. When placed in proper context, nothing we have seen is outside natural variation and is therefor not critical or unnatural..

Where is that midtropospheric hot spot?

 

[abu afak]

Let us put everything in perspective:

Gee, now all of a sudden it is OK to combine proxy data with direct instrument measurements, as long as you don't get a hockey stick.

Unlike Mann the data is identified and scale noted... Minor little things that allow educated evaluations... The only reason Mann choose to hide these facts is to conceal deception of improper applications and to give a false impression of critical and unnatural warming.. When placed in proper context, nothing we have seen is outside natural variation and is therefor not critical or unnatural..

Where is that midtropospheric hot spot?

Don't you tire of your Worldwide Scientist Conspiracy theory?
One can always find a "Kellyanne" outlier "alt Graph", but the trend is clear on all fronts. Air, Land Sea, and Sea Level.
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[skookerasbil]

Let us put everything in perspective:

Gee, now all of a sudden it is OK to combine proxy data with direct instrument measurements, as long as you don't get a hockey stick.

Unlike Mann the data is identified and scale noted... Minor little things that allow educated evaluations... The only reason Mann choose to hide these facts is to conceal deception of improper applications and to give a false impression of critical and unnatural warming.. When placed in proper context, nothing we have seen is outside natural variation and is therefor not critical or unnatural..

Where is that midtropospheric hot spot?

Don't you tire of your Worldwide Scientist Conspiracy theory?
One can always find a "Kellyanne" outlier "alt Graph", but the trend is clear on all fronts. Air, Land Sea, and Sea Level.
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But where are people caring beyond the science? It's not transcending dick! Really....show is some evidence s0n! If we assume "the science", being decided paves the way for climate action, then why is none occurring? Well duh.....because the people just dont consider it very important in their day to day lives, which of course is not even debatable. You know how many climate crusaders have come in here over the years on their high horse only to get smacked upside the head for a few months then disappear. Dozens.... they all end up going away because they can no longer take the losing.. One can only take bows in front of a billboard for so long before giving up because folks just whiz right past without noticing. Its gotta suck the big one after awhile.. Skeptics have dominated this forum for 10 years now. When last we saw the scoreboard it was like 142 - 7 in favor of the skeptics. And that was like 3 years ago!

 

[Billy_Bob]

Let us put everything in perspective:

Gee, now all of a sudden it is OK to combine proxy data with direct instrument measurements, as long as you don't get a hockey stick.

Unlike Mann the data is identified and scale noted... Minor little things that allow educated evaluations... The only reason Mann choose to hide these facts is to conceal deception of improper applications and to give a false impression of critical and unnatural warming.. When placed in proper context, nothing we have seen is outside natural variation and is therefor not critical or unnatural..

Where is that midtropospheric hot spot?

Don't you tire of your Worldwide Scientist Conspiracy theory?
One can always find a "Kellyanne" outlier "alt Graph", but the trend is clear on all fronts. Air, Land Sea, and Sea Level.
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Don't you ever tire of covering up for the socialist scumbags that are using a non-existent problem to take their freedoms? Do you ever tire of parroting lies and deceptions?

 

[Old Rocks]

BTW Old Rocks -- I have no doubt the BEST study had all good intentions. But 6 or 8 graduate students are NO MATCH for the building full of Pros at NOAA and GISS that have been fucking with this data for DECADES and cleaning up the internet and all public records behind them. It's a FORENSICS investigation that's needed, not a science study. Because not ALL adjustments are known and the BEST team was WAY too quick to make any educated pronouncements and go to the press. The $$$Backers needed the publicity at the time.

LOL Since scientists in other nations are getting the same numbers, I can only assume that you have plenty of tinfoil for your little hats. You have to posit an international conspiracy among all the scientist from all the nations that are studying oceanography, geology, glaciology, climatology, and atmospheric physics. And not a single squealer among them. But I am sure that Silly Billy is glad to have another person on his peer level.

 

[flacaltenn]

BTW Old Rocks -- I have no doubt the BEST study had all good intentions. But 6 or 8 graduate students are NO MATCH for the building full of Pros at NOAA and GISS that have been fucking with this data for DECADES and cleaning up the internet and all public records behind them. It's a FORENSICS investigation that's needed, not a science study. Because not ALL adjustments are known and the BEST team was WAY too quick to make any educated pronouncements and go to the press. The $$$Backers needed the publicity at the time.

LOL Since scientists in other nations are getting the same numbers, I can only assume that you have plenty of tinfoil for your little hats. You have to posit an international conspiracy among all the scientist from all the nations that are studying oceanography, geology, glaciology, climatology, and atmospheric physics. And not a single squealer among them. But I am sure that Silly Billy is glad to have another person on his peer level.

They get the same numbers GoldiRocks, because more than 70% of the earths surface is covered by seas. And NOAA/GISS data is total sum of that 70%.. How could you miss that important explanation? NOAA/GISS is the starting point for every other major temperature survey on the planet..

 

[flacaltenn]

How do you "adjust" for jet blast? Or the hot days when the HVAC blowing on the station pumps the readings? Or the fleet of panel trucks are idling within 20 yards of the station? Those stations need to be decommisioned and MOVED. That's how you "adjust" them..

You realize that the conditions you describe give LOWER anomalies and when they do what you say, the warming trend will increase, and you will then whine, "they adjusted the data."

Really? So jet blast, HVAC and asphalt produce LOWER thermometer readings? Who knew?

No, they lower ANOMALIES!!!
Geezzzze no wonder you are afraid to debate, you have no idea how temperature trends are calculated.

Anomalies are measured as the deviation from a 30 year AVERAGE temperature at that site, so if the thermometer is near a heat source the AVERAGE temperature the ANOMALY is measured against will be higher, making the deviation from that average smaller.

I SAID -- they COOL the past. Have your grandson explain to you why that LOWERS anomalies..

 

[abu afak]

But where are people caring beyond the science? It's not transcending dick! Really....show is some evidence s0n! If we assume "the science", .....

This is your usual, and I mean 2000 Times TROLL.
Claiming People don't care in a specific Topical thread in which there IS debate where people DO care.
That's OFF topic.
If YOU don't Care, Don't post here.
(like you thankfully don't elsewhere).

You are a "NO ONE CARES" TROLL in almost Every string here.
LEAVE.

An FCT Thread asked what we can do to improve the board?
Get rid of Trolls like you, who have NO content, just mocking idiot emoticons, Stupid flame OPs, and daily saying "No One cares" in every "debate"/thread in which people do care about a given issue.
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[polarbear]

Moohaha now it`s in oversized font. What`s next ? Asking "Antifa" to mob him ?
The only warming is happening with people who get hot under the collar if the same old temperature graph rubber snake doesn`t freak out everybody any more.
Skook is right, nobody that matters cares about this crap.

 

[abu afak]

Moohaha now it`s in oversized font. What`s next ? Asking "Antifa" to mob him ?
The only warming is happening with people who get hot under the collar if the same old temperature graph rubber snake doesn`t freak out everybody any more.
Skook is right, nobody that matters cares about this crap.

So you're not just an AGW denier, you're a warming denier too?

This puts you in the lower tier of even the clowns in this section.. and along with the creationists in the Sci section.
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