Liz Gets Real: Single-Payer Is The Answer

[nat4900]

Liz Gets Real: Single-Payer Is The Answer

True........Now, let your cute, little MEME also address this Trump promise.......

"We will replace Obamacare on DAY ONE with a HC plan that covers EVERYBODY, is much BETTER and CHEAPER....."

 

[RealDave]

Of course that statist wants more govt control

People can choose to get their healthcare from private doctors in private institutions. The government pays for it.

Where is the control? Who has it now?

 

[debbiedowner]

One thing: MEDICARE FOR ALL

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

So the democrats have not done enough damage with creating a government health care bill that raises premiums, reduces choices of insurance providers, fines those who DROP their insurance through the IRS by not keeping up with their mandatory insurance coverage payments, that they want MORE federal government control? Obviously liberals are either hard headed fools incapable of learning from their short coming attempts, or lacking of any common sense that they are determined to screw with health care again.

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Yes I'm sure NHS is the better health care system. Would you like for me to go into cuts in treatment under NHS in my next response? I mean it works for Democrats to state that anything BUT single-payer will kill Americans who need it most, why not present some actual cases and facts of single-payer looks like in the everyday lives of those who depend on it?

Click here to support Hayleys Cancer Treatment Fund organized by Hayley Kalinins

Click here to support Louise's cancer treatment organised by Kenny Washington

I got plenty more information to show what real families face under a National Healthcare Stsytem like single-payer.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

So the democrats have not done enough damage with creating a government health care bill that raises premiums, reduces choices of insurance providers, fines those who DROP their insurance through the IRS by not keeping up with their mandatory insurance coverage payments, that they want MORE federal government control? Obviously liberals are either hard headed fools incapable of learning from their short coming attempts, or lacking of any common sense that they are determined to screw with health care again.

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Single payer only works for progressives and even then they have to wait for it. Keep single-payer to yourselves to yourselves leave the rest of us the fuck out...

Just goes to show how much you know. Like I said we have single payer here, I'll give you a few practical examples. I get my medicine the moment I walk into a pharmacy with a prescription not an hour later after a pharmacy tech has called the insurance company. My doctor comes to my house if I feel not capable of going to him. An ER visit costs me on average about 2 hours, I don't have to fill in paperwork and nobody ever asks me credit card information. After a surgery or when I'm elderly if needed, nurses, physical therapists, even babysitters and cleaning ladies come to my house to help out if needed. All this, although it is not free is being offered at prices so even a poor person can afford it. So tell me wich one of these services do you guys have and what's the price you pay for them?

No paperwork? Based on what? Sad to say, you don't know any that have a career in the medical field, nor are you aren't acquainted with everyday lives of seniors that must go through the government's Medicare system to get prescriptions. Care to try that one again?

 

[debbiedowner]

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Single payer only works for progressives and even then they have to wait for it. Keep single-payer to yourselves to yourselves leave the rest of us the fuck out...

Just goes to show how much you know. Like I said we have single payer here, I'll give you a few practical examples. I get my medicine the moment I walk into a pharmacy with a prescription not an hour later after a pharmacy tech has called the insurance company. My doctor comes to my house if I feel not capable of going to him. An ER visit costs me on average about 2 hours, I don't have to fill in paperwork and nobody ever asks me credit card information. After a surgery or when I'm elderly if needed, nurses, physical therapists, even babysitters and cleaning ladies come to my house to help out if needed. All this, although it is not free is being offered at prices so even a poor person can afford it. So tell me wich one of these services do you guys have and what's the price you pay for them?

No paperwork? Based on what? Sad to say, you don't know any that have a career in the medical field, nor are you aren't acquainted with everyday lives of seniors that must go through the government's Medicare system to get prescriptions. Care to try that one again?

Medicare doesn't approve or disapprove of 99% of prescriptions your Part D insurance carrier does and if you're having problems there it's up to your doc to get some pre approved. Healthcare though Medicare is virtually no paperwork for the patient.

 

[RealDave]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

So the democrats have not done enough damage with creating a government health care bill that raises premiums, reduces choices of insurance providers, fines those who DROP their insurance through the IRS by not keeping up with their mandatory insurance coverage payments, that they want MORE federal government control? Obviously liberals are either hard headed fools incapable of learning from their short coming attempts, or lacking of any common sense that they are determined to screw with health care again.

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Yes I'm sure NHS is the better health care system. Would you like for me to go into cuts in treatment under NHS in my next response? I mean it works for Democrats to state that anything BUT single-payer will kill Americans who need it most, why not present some actual cases and facts of single-payer looks like in the everyday lives of those who depend on it?

Click here to support Hayleys Cancer Treatment Fund organized by Hayley Kalinins

Click here to support Louise's cancer treatment organised by Kenny Washington

I got plenty more information to show what real families face under a National Healthcare Stsytem like single-payer.

Medicare is single payer

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

So the democrats have not done enough damage with creating a government health care bill that raises premiums, reduces choices of insurance providers, fines those who DROP their insurance through the IRS by not keeping up with their mandatory insurance coverage payments, that they want MORE federal government control? Obviously liberals are either hard headed fools incapable of learning from their short coming attempts, or lacking of any common sense that they are determined to screw with health care again.

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Yes I'm sure NHS is the better health care system. Would you like for me to go into cuts in treatment under NHS in my next response? I mean it works for Democrats to state that anything BUT single-payer will kill Americans who need it most, why not present some actual cases and facts of single-payer looks like in the everyday lives of those who depend on it?

Click here to support Hayleys Cancer Treatment Fund organized by Hayley Kalinins

Click here to support Louise's cancer treatment organised by Kenny Washington

I got plenty more information to show what real families face under a National Healthcare Stsytem like single-payer.

Medicare is single payer

I was making reference to his response regarding government run health care with claims that there is no real paperwork involved, no red tape, and patients are simply able to receive quick quality care through the prescriptions that they need. No true.

 

[nat4900]

I was making reference to his response regarding government run health care with claims that there is no real paperwork involved, no red tape, and patients are simply able to receive quick quality care through the prescriptions that they need. No true.

Well, if you say so.......................LOL

 

[forkup]

I always have the same conversation with Republicans. Taxes aren't a punishment. they are one of the ways a standard of living is funded. Yes I pay a lot more in taxes. Those taxes also provide me with a lot of services, which are either unavailable or unaffordable to the average American.

Exorbitant taxes such as you have in Belgium, are, to us in the United States, draconian punishment. Your sales tax alone is 21%. You NEED and can't survive without womb to tomb care by the government. The vast majority of Americans prefer their independence.

Belgium is a fraction of the size of New York State. A lot of things can be done with a tiny population of 15 million as compared to 330 million.

Enjoy your government run life. I prefer freedom, independence, and personal responsibility.

So you have split your argument in 2 separate arguments.
-The first is. After I gave you an incontrovertible example of advantages of my system namely, debt free college. You are trying justify it by claiming it is not my high tax rate but rather the small size of my country that accomplishes this. As far as arguments go I think it's seriously disingenuous. "Anything positive can't possibly be from high taxes, it has to have another reason." Are you honestly that blinded by rhetoric? It fails on merit to. Belgium is not homogeneous, nor does it have a unified political system. We have 3 separate languages, A Flemish government, a Brussels government, a Walloon government and a federal government. All with different coalitions made up from a collection of 11 different parties on each level.Most laws we vote are in compliance with directives from Europe. So tell me again how much easier it is. And all of Europe has some form of socialised medicine. Most if not all of them score higher on the health care index to.
-The second argument you are trying to make is that a socialised government somehow makes us less free, less independent and less personal responsible. What freedom do you suppose you have that we don't? The freedom to pick your own health plan? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't your financial status make that choice for you? How do you figure your sense of personal responsibility is higher then mine? I have a wife, a daughter, a mortgage and I want all of those things to be as carefree as I can. As a result I leave my house a bit before 6 am, to come home around 5.30 pm. If I don't, the mortgage doesn't get payed, my daughter won't have nice clothes and my wife will be sad. What I don't have to worry about is that I won't have food, medical care, a roof over my head or decent schooling for my kid, how does not having those worries make me less responsible?

 

[nat4900]

What freedom do you suppose you have that we don't?

THE POSTER'S SILENT ANSWER: The freedom to be an ignorant, asshole who parrots the preaching of Sean Hannity???

LOL

 

[Little-Acorn]

Liz Gets Real: Single-Payer Is The Answer

 

[forkup]

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Single payer only works for progressives and even then they have to wait for it. Keep single-payer to yourselves to yourselves leave the rest of us the fuck out...

Just goes to show how much you know. Like I said we have single payer here, I'll give you a few practical examples. I get my medicine the moment I walk into a pharmacy with a prescription not an hour later after a pharmacy tech has called the insurance company. My doctor comes to my house if I feel not capable of going to him. An ER visit costs me on average about 2 hours, I don't have to fill in paperwork and nobody ever asks me credit card information. After a surgery or when I'm elderly if needed, nurses, physical therapists, even babysitters and cleaning ladies come to my house to help out if needed. All this, although it is not free is being offered at prices so even a poor person can afford it. So tell me wich one of these services do you guys have and what's the price you pay for them?

No paperwork? Based on what? Sad to say, you don't know any that have a career in the medical field, nor are you aren't acquainted with everyday lives of seniors that must go through the government's Medicare system to get prescriptions. Care to try that one again?

Read again, not talking about the states, talking about Belgium.

 

[HenryBHough]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

Single payer is collapsing around the world...they can't afford it even with the U.S.paying Tom protect them with our military......

Around the world? Really? Credible proof? Credible links?

The founder of Canda's medicare system...

"Father" of Canadian Health Care Admits its a Failure - Civitas Review

Today comes news that the man largely responsible for Canada's conversion to a single-payer health care system has admitted the system's failure:

"Back in the 1960s, (Claude) Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.

The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast."

Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."

"We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."

As more and more nations throughout the world seek to infuse more private, market-based solutions into their government-controlled healthcare systems, for some reason lefties in this country want to make the same mistake that countries like Canada made decades ago.

World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Best Health Systems
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan 65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

The list is obviously a fabrication - fake news at its worst.

Because CUBA is actually #1 in health care.

We know that because Michael Moore has told us so.

 

[forkup]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

So the democrats have not done enough damage with creating a government health care bill that raises premiums, reduces choices of insurance providers, fines those who DROP their insurance through the IRS by not keeping up with their mandatory insurance coverage payments, that they want MORE federal government control? Obviously liberals are either hard headed fools incapable of learning from their short coming attempts, or lacking of any common sense that they are determined to screw with health care again.

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Yes I'm sure NHS is the better health care system. Would you like for me to go into cuts in treatment under NHS in my next response? I mean it works for Democrats to state that anything BUT single-payer will kill Americans who need it most, why not present some actual cases and facts of single-payer looks like in the everyday lives of those who depend on it?

Click here to support Hayleys Cancer Treatment Fund organized by Hayley Kalinins

Click here to support Louise's cancer treatment organised by Kenny Washington

I got plenty more information to show what real families face under a National Healthcare Stsytem like single-payer.

First of. I'm not under the British version of socialised medicine,I'm under the Belgian one. To suppose all systems work the same way is a fallacy. As to practical examples. Sure I'll give you the example of my brother-in-law, my wife and an American friend. I have more but this will suffice . All these are FIRST hand accounts, not some article.
-My brother-in-law pre Obama care, healthy male in his early thirties isn't insured. He becomes the victim of a hit and run that shatters his shoulder. He goes into the ER where they stabilize his shoulder and send him on his way. Although he needed reconstructive surgery he couldn't afford it. The result was he has about 50 percent mobility in his right arm.
-My wife around the same time was visiting me. We weren't married yet and the clumsy lady she is, manages to slip on the landing of my stairwell. In any case she suffered a compound fracture in her right ankle. I take her to the ER. Where she was diagnosed, prepped and went in for emergency reconstructive surgery the same day. She was home that same evening. And was given a follow up Nobody asked her anything but her name and mine. They wouldn't have had any way to get her bill paid since I had no legal connection to her but nobody even contemplated not doing the surgery.
A few years later when we were married my wife wanted to get a weight loss surgery. We had 1 appointment with the surgeon who scheduled an entire afternoon of tests for a few weeks later. With specialist, dieticians,etc. She had an appointment for the surgery for 2 months after the first appointment.
-An American friend of us had the same surgery it took her six months and many days of tests.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

So the democrats have not done enough damage with creating a government health care bill that raises premiums, reduces choices of insurance providers, fines those who DROP their insurance through the IRS by not keeping up with their mandatory insurance coverage payments, that they want MORE federal government control? Obviously liberals are either hard headed fools incapable of learning from their short coming attempts, or lacking of any common sense that they are determined to screw with health care again.

This damage also includes a net gain of over 16 million extra insured people.

Who can't get quality care or are denied certain treatments because it's government that is controlling your costs, which is the net result of both the Canadian's program as well as the NHS system.

Really? Yet in Canada, the UK and a host of other nations most of which have single payer the life expectancy is higher. Life Expectancy for Countries
While at the same time the US health care system is the most expensive.List of countries by total health expenditure per capita - Wikipedia
The health care index. Something that ranks healthcare by purely cost benefit ranks the US at 35. The 34 ahead of them all have single payer. So please pray tell why you think the American system is superior. Btw I'm Belgian and live in a single payer country. I can give you personal examples of differences between the US (my wife is American) and the Belgian system, and I'm perfectly willing to compare.

Yes I'm sure NHS is the better health care system. Would you like for me to go into cuts in treatment under NHS in my next response? I mean it works for Democrats to state that anything BUT single-payer will kill Americans who need it most, why not present some actual cases and facts of single-payer looks like in the everyday lives of those who depend on it?

Click here to support Hayleys Cancer Treatment Fund organized by Hayley Kalinins

Click here to support Louise's cancer treatment organised by Kenny Washington

I got plenty more information to show what real families face under a National Healthcare Stsytem like single-payer.

First of. I'm not under the British version of socialised medicine,I'm under the Belgian one. To suppose all systems work the same way is a fallacy. As to practical examples. Sure I'll give you the example of my brother-in-law, my wife and an American friend. I have more but this will suffice . All these are FIRST hand accounts, not some article.
-My brother-in-law pre Obama care, healthy male in his early thirties isn't insured. He becomes the victim of a hit and run that shatters his shoulder. He goes into the ER where they stabilize his shoulder and send him on his way. Although he needed reconstructive surgery he couldn't afford it. The result was he has about 50 percent mobility in his right arm.
-My wife around the same time was visiting me. We weren't married yet and the clumsy lady she is, manages to slip on the landing of my stairwell. In any case she suffered a compound fracture in her right ankle. I take her to the ER. Where she was diagnosed, prepped and went in for emergency reconstructive surgery the same day. She was home that same evening. And was given a follow up Nobody asked her anything but her name and mine. They wouldn't have had any way to get her bill paid since I had no legal connection to her but nobody even contemplated not doing the surgery.
A few years later when we were married my wife wanted to get a weight loss surgery. We had 1 appointment with the surgeon who scheduled an entire afternoon of tests for a few weeks later. With specialist, dieticians,etc. She had an appointment for the surgery for 2 months after the first appointment.
-An American friend of us had the same surgery it took her six months and many days of tests.

Read again. Your previous response you specifically directed at the U.K. NHS government system and the Canadian single payer system, that is what my response was directed specifically to address. Both Canada and the United Kingdon both have a national deficit problem directly associated with their choice in government health care. Canada chose to mix and bring back some of the privatized market to offset the lack of proper coverage. Great Britain has decided to go thre route of reducing the choices of available treatments as a means to combat their increasing costs. Massachusetts decided on their own state funded health system, that has resulted in increasing debt as well as increased waiting times. You might feel single payer is the better option and for a country the size of yours the citizens there might not mind paying a high hefty tax. Personally through the Massachusetts, Canadian, and Great Britain chosen government controlled systems, I haven't seen anything other than high deficits and poor quality care that each of their chosen government system brings.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

I was making reference to his response regarding government run health care with claims that there is no real paperwork involved, no red tape, and patients are simply able to receive quick quality care through the prescriptions that they need. No true.

Well, if you say so.......................LOL

Try having a discussion with some of the health care nurses and doctors that have to work around a government Medicare health system, you might actually begin to learn something from those who actually are employed and deal with the government bureaucracy first hand. Of course if you'd rather speak out of your democrat liberal talking points over those from actual medical employment experience, by all means continue.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

Great!!! So Liz is gonna pay for it.

 

[nat4900]

Try having a discussion with some of the health care nurses and doctors that have to work around a government Medicare health system, you might actually begin to learn something from those who actually are employed and deal with the government bureaucracy first hand

well, you may be "correct".......Doctors and nurses well know that private health insurers are just "sweethearts".......

Do you have a pre-existing condition? NO PROBLEM...private health insurers love people with diabetes and cancer.

Are you worried that there's a maximum on what a private insurer will pay???NO PROBLEM......private health insurers simply LOVE to keep on paying for your cancer treatments...

You're right......they're in that business to help folks and profits be damned....LOL

 

[WelfareQueen]

Try having a discussion with some of the health care nurses and doctors that have to work around a government Medicare health system, you might actually begin to learn something from those who actually are employed and deal with the government bureaucracy first hand

well, you may be "correct".......Doctors and nurses well know that private health insurers are just "sweethearts".......

Do you have a pre-existing condition? NO PROBLEM...private health insurers love people with diabetes and cancer.

Are you worried that there's a maximum on what a private insurer will pay???NO PROBLEM......private health insurers simply LOVE to keep on paying for your cancer treatments...

You're right......they're in that business to help folks and profits be damned....LOL

The average HMO makes about 2 1/2% net profit. Wow...those heartless bastards.