Light At The End of the Tunnel??

[NYcarbineer]

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."



Now we can prove that Liberals have no shame:

15. "Obama himself ...famously... promised over and over that all Americans who were satisfied with their health care providers and health insurance arrangements would be able to keep them. And the costless benefits he promised would help people not only in their capacity as patients and policyholders, but as taxpayers and citizens.



Speaking to Congress in September 2009, the president declared, “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future.” Because of the “skyrocketing costs” of Medicare and Medicaid, he said, “our health care problem is our deficit problem. Nothing else even comes close.” Because the existing health care system “is currently full of waste and abuse,” it will be possible to extend health insurance to 30 million uninsured Americans and improve the coverage and health care for millions more without increasing federal debt. “Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.”



16. In 2009 the federal government spent $425 billion on Medicare and $251 billion on Medicaid. Together they accounted for 19 percent of all federal spending that year. If the two programs were indeed full of waste and abuse, citizens would be fully justified in the modest demand that their elected officials treat making Medicare and Medicaid effective and honest as an urgent end in itself, rather than hold the discharge of that duty hostage to the political effort to make those wasteful, abusive programs even bigger.

They would be further justified, as opposed to sickeningly childish and hypocritical, in supposing that if two huge, 44-year-old government programs’ endemic waste and abuse had not been rooted out, there might be good, daunting reasons for that problem’s persistence. Voters would go on to conclude, plausibly, that prudence dictated reducing the waste and abuse first, rather than making massive new spending commitments that were predicated upon reducing it somehow, someday."
Liars Remorse The Weekly Standard




Hmmmm....quite a pack of lies, huh?

I've lost track of how many times Liberals have been fools....er, fooled.
I believe it is approaching Avagadro's Number.

According to the CBO, the Affordable Care Act reduces the deficit.

Obamacare Is (Still) Fiscally Responsible

Congress' scorekeeper confirms that the health care law will reduce deficits.

CBO Confirms Obamacare Reduces Deficits - US News

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Typical flaccid Carb response fails to address ANYTHING in the OP

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm thinking we've reached Peak Progressivism. The big question is whether we will tip towards the side of liberty and limited government, or into totalitarian barbarism.

The signs, on a global scale, indicate the latter.

The Republican Establishment is the biggest obstacle to rolling back the Progressive Jihad on America

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."



Now we can prove that Liberals have no shame:

15. "Obama himself ...famously... promised over and over that all Americans who were satisfied with their health care providers and health insurance arrangements would be able to keep them. And the costless benefits he promised would help people not only in their capacity as patients and policyholders, but as taxpayers and citizens.



Speaking to Congress in September 2009, the president declared, “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future.” Because of the “skyrocketing costs” of Medicare and Medicaid, he said, “our health care problem is our deficit problem. Nothing else even comes close.” Because the existing health care system “is currently full of waste and abuse,” it will be possible to extend health insurance to 30 million uninsured Americans and improve the coverage and health care for millions more without increasing federal debt. “Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.”



16. In 2009 the federal government spent $425 billion on Medicare and $251 billion on Medicaid. Together they accounted for 19 percent of all federal spending that year. If the two programs were indeed full of waste and abuse, citizens would be fully justified in the modest demand that their elected officials treat making Medicare and Medicaid effective and honest as an urgent end in itself, rather than hold the discharge of that duty hostage to the political effort to make those wasteful, abusive programs even bigger.

They would be further justified, as opposed to sickeningly childish and hypocritical, in supposing that if two huge, 44-year-old government programs’ endemic waste and abuse had not been rooted out, there might be good, daunting reasons for that problem’s persistence. Voters would go on to conclude, plausibly, that prudence dictated reducing the waste and abuse first, rather than making massive new spending commitments that were predicated upon reducing it somehow, someday."
Liars Remorse The Weekly Standard




Hmmmm....quite a pack of lies, huh?

I've lost track of how many times Liberals have been fools....er, fooled.
I believe it is approaching Avagadro's Number.

According to the CBO, the Affordable Care Act reduces the deficit.

Obamacare Is (Still) Fiscally Responsible

Congress' scorekeeper confirms that the health care law will reduce deficits.

CBO Confirms Obamacare Reduces Deficits - US News

"CBO Quietly Drops Forecast That Obamacare Will Cut the Deficit
In April, the agency quietly signaled that it can no longer make that projection; that the law had been changed and delayed so much that there is no longer a credible way to estimate the long-term effects on the deficit of all elements of the program taken together."
CBO Quietly Drops Forecast That Obamacare Will Cut the Deficit The Fiscal Times

 

[Dot Com]

According to the CBO, the Affordable Care Act reduces the deficit.

Obamacare Is (Still) Fiscally Responsible

Congress' scorekeeper confirms that the health care law will reduce deficits.

CBO Confirms Obamacare Reduces Deficits - US News

yep. Ironically Lyin Ryan (R-WI) included those same savings in his budget a year or so ago. You can't make this stuff up
Paul Ryan releases House GOP budget plan

Ryan's plan also calculates savings that Democrats decry as gimmicks, such as counting savings projected to come from the Affordable Care Act while simultaneously calling for its repeal.

ANOTHER PoliticalSpice thread AND Frank1400PennAve is backing her zany arguments up as is his usual rw brown acid- taking tactic

 

[Dot Com]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

According to the CBO, the Affordable Care Act reduces the deficit.

Obamacare Is (Still) Fiscally Responsible

Congress' scorekeeper confirms that the health care law will reduce deficits.

CBO Confirms Obamacare Reduces Deficits - US News

yep. Ironically Lyin Ryan (R-WI) included those same savings in his budget a year or so ago. You can't make this stuff up
Paul Ryan releases House GOP budget plan

Ryan's plan also calculates savings that Democrats decry as gimmicks, such as counting savings projected to come from the Affordable Care Act while simultaneously calling for its repeal.

ANOTHER PoliticalSpice thread AND Frank1400PennAve is backing her zany arguments up as is his usual rw brown acid- taking tactic

And, those well-known Republicans Tom Harkin and Chuck Schumer:

"6. ... Tom Harkin of Iowa, recently told a reporter, “I look back and say we should have either done [health care reform] the correct way or not done anything at all.” Charles Schumer of New York, in the remnant of Democrats whose Senate careers have survived Obamacare, voiced similar sentiments in a National Press Club speech...

a. Arguing that 85 percent of Americans had health insurance they were satisfied withwhen Democrats took power in 2009, and few of the uninsured voted at all, much less on the basis of health policy, Schumer contended, “To aim a huge change in mandate at such a small percentage of the electoratemade no political sense.”

b. Months before Democrats were routed in the 2010 midterms, Schumer predicted that Obamacare would be an asset to politicians who had supported it....

c. Not just health care policy but the value and political feasibility of modern liberalism’s raison d’être is at stake."



Who's left? You and the other hold-out, Hiroo Onoda.

 

[Dot Com]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

America- love it or leave it PoliticalSpice.

Plus- please, PLEASE stop w/ your walls of un-formatted, copy 'n paste text kay? Thanks.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

America- love it or leave it PoliticalSpice.

Now I know how to address you to make you feel at home: sieg heil!

 

[Dot Com]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

OP, no less, just invoked Godwin's Law

\thread end.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

OP, no less, just invoked Godwin's Law

\thread end.

So...you don't deny that you Nazis are all about silencing those who disagree?

Myself, I won't bow to your false god, Obama. I lean more towards Philippians 2:10

 

[ogibillm]

what is the original thought that this thread is meant to discuss?

I can help you with your A.D.D.

"5. Democrats are trying to figure out why the present that dismays them is so much less congenial than the future they recently anticipated. Some have begun to disparage Obamacare,....Half of the 60 Democratic senators who voted for the Affordable Care Act in December 2009—...are no longer in the Senate.

a. These ex-senators include eight who were defeated by Republicans, and eight more who chose not to run again and were succeeded by Republicans."
See the OP for more.

you've posted a hell of a lot of copied and pasted crap to get to that.

has anyone ever taught you how to construct a topic sentence?

"copied and pasted" means the way information is presented.
One would have thought you would have learned that by now.

Has no one ever taught you to be honest?

Well no, see, as an adult with the ability to create original thoughts I, and others like me, have the ability to read a source, digest the information, and then offer a commentary on it in my own words with a paraphrasing of the source.

You simply take copious amounts of other people's work and present it as your own by randomly inserting numbers.

Topic sentence. Supporting sentences. Perhaps a link or two at the end. Try it sometime.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The same dullards who support Keynesian economics in order to grow government still cling to the fairy tale that it is possible to cover far more individuals, with greater coverage.....

....get this: at lower cost!!!

Probably the same dolts who believe the ads ‘Lose Weight Without Dieting,’ and ‘Hope and Change.'




17. "...advocates of each one of the sweeping government programs that drive our perma-deficit announced at one time or another that it would pay for itself, if not pay for itself “many times over.”

As left-leaning economics journalist Robert Kuttner wrote of Obamacare in 2013, “Obama, looking to fund his initiative without raising taxes, hit on the idea of imagining a trillion dollars in yet-to-be specified savings in Medicare.”

Mr. Full-of-Surprises, Jonathan Gruber, told a reporter last year that the whole idea of saving money was “sometimes a misleading motivator for the Affordable Care Act.” In reality, “The law isn’t designed to save money. It’s designed to improve health, and that’s going to cost money.”


Of course it will. The dark secret always turns out to have been the obvious, commonsense truth that everyone knew all along. Its revelation, long after the law has been passed, refutes the promises about huge benefits that will require no costs, assurances that should have been derided from the start."
Liars Remorse The Weekly Standard



"..... been the obvious, commonsense truth that everyone knew all along."


Nope. Some of the dumbest ones are still supporting it!
I see one or two checked in above.

 

[PoliticalChic]

what is the original thought that this thread is meant to discuss?

I can help you with your A.D.D.

"5. Democrats are trying to figure out why the present that dismays them is so much less congenial than the future they recently anticipated. Some have begun to disparage Obamacare,....Half of the 60 Democratic senators who voted for the Affordable Care Act in December 2009—...are no longer in the Senate.

a. These ex-senators include eight who were defeated by Republicans, and eight more who chose not to run again and were succeeded by Republicans."
See the OP for more.

you've posted a hell of a lot of copied and pasted crap to get to that.

has anyone ever taught you how to construct a topic sentence?

"copied and pasted" means the way information is presented.
One would have thought you would have learned that by now.

Has no one ever taught you to be honest?

Well no, see, as an adult with the ability to create original thoughts I, and others like me, have the ability to read a source, digest the information, and then offer a commentary on it in my own words with a paraphrasing of the source.

You simply take copious amounts of other people's work and present it as your own by randomly inserting numbers.

Topic sentence. Supporting sentences. Perhaps a link or two at the end. Try it sometime.

1. Are you actually fantasizing that I would follow the advice of a proven dolt like yourself???

No, silly....I behave just as every other sentient individual to whom you have offered your advice does.....

...I roll my eyes, and laugh as you slink off.


2. "as an adult with the ability to create original thoughts..."
A perfect example of self-delusion.
You do no such thing: you simply mouth the lies and distortions fed to you by the NYTimes, MSNBC, the DNC, etc......and never give the credit they deserve.

I won't call it plagiarism, because it is exactly what they order you to do.

3. Proof?
Sure.
If you were capable of 'original thought,' you'd be able to counter what I post.
You can't.
That's why you object to the manner in which it is posted.


But....you do serve a purpose: comic relief.

 

[ogibillm]

Yes, I'm the one that plagiarizes and parrots talking points while providing comic relief, while you inteoduce only your own thoughts in your own words while providing thought provoking ideas.

Seriously? Is that how you see yourself?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, I'm the one that plagiarizes and parrots talking points while providing comic relief, while you inteoduce only your own thoughts in your own words while providing thought provoking ideas.

Seriously? Is that how you see yourself?

I'm not the only one who sees you in the post.
You should engage in a retreat and consider the truth therein.

Begin by recognizing that your complaints are only about the manner, not the substance.
That's the sign of a dunce.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

OP, no less, just invoked Godwin's Law

\thread end.

So...you don't deny that you Nazis are all about silencing those who disagree?

Myself, I won't bow to your false god, Obama. I lean more towards Philippians 2:10

I just wish you'd stop saying the same stupid shit over and over and over again.

 

[ogibillm]

Yes, I'm the one that plagiarizes and parrots talking points while providing comic relief, while you inteoduce only your own thoughts in your own words while providing thought provoking ideas.

Seriously? Is that how you see yourself?

I'm not the only one who sees you in the post.
You should engage in a retreat and consider the truth therein.

Begin by recognizing that your complaints are only about the manner, not the substance.
That's the sign of a dunce.

my complaint is that you present no substance. you do not give your opinion, or your views on something. you merely copy and paste copious amounts of text. when someone then tries to argue a point with you, you begin to dance around what your position actually is while insulting the other poster. you are a coward, hiding behind the words of other people. all i'm asking you to do is to stand up for what you believe and to put it into your own words, so that we can have a discussion with you and not whomever you are plagiarizing.

 

[Edgetho]

You are a citizen of this country because we've allowed you to be a citizen.

You should shut up and appreciate that.

Agreed.

Nothing the Nazis...er, Liberals, want more than to "shut up" any opposing opinions.

OP, no less, just invoked Godwin's Law

\thread end.

There is a direct, unbroken link between dimocrapism and National Socialism.

That you don't know that speaks volumes