Libs say Xi defeated trump on trade. Victor Davis Hanson says Not so fast

[Zincwarrior]

Tariffs were in place under Biden. In fact Biden increased tariffs on Chinese made goods, especially EVs, to 100% but you're not bitching. Why?

They were lower. We had access to rare metals. The Chinese were buying our crops. Trump did nothing but **** us a new asshole.

 

[drudge X]

They were lower. We had access to rare metals. The Chinese were buying our crops. Trump did nothing but **** us a new asshole.

We can let China set the trade conditions and terms or we can say you need to play fair.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We can let China set the trade conditions and terms or we can say you need to play fair.

So now we are screwed. Good job Trump.

 

[Rawley]

Victor Hanson Davis was the guy who kept insisting the Iraq War was a good idea.

I don't think you should put much stock in anything he says.

So was Biden. And you put the ******* idiot in the White House.

 

[JoeB131]

That's your emotion talking. Cornerning rare earth elements didn't work in the past and certainly not today.

Actually, funny thing. Japan was in the same position we are in on Rare Earths. They Found China had too much leverage because they controlled 85% of the Rare Earth market in Japan. Japan's 15 year effort to reduce that number has only gotten it down to 60% of rare earths coming from China.

And Japans leaders are 100% smarter than Trump.

Tariffs were in place under Biden. In fact Biden increased tariffs on Chinese made goods, especially EVs, to 100% but you're not bitching. Why?

Because Biden didn't implement them like a five year old throwing a tantrum.

 

[drudge X]

Actually, funny thing. Japan was in the same position we are in on Rare Earths. They Found China had too much leverage because they controlled 85% of the Rare Earth market in Japan. Japan's 15 year effort to reduce that number has only gotten it down to 60% of rare earths coming from China.

And Japans leaders are 100% smarter than Trump.



Because Biden didn't implement them like a five year old throwing a tantrum.

Because acting blunt or like an asshole is necessary sometimes to get things done.

China may have control for two years max if not shorter. They need the Western market to fuel their economy. US companies can move to India or Vietnam for manufacturing. The move will take time but certainly worth it. The CCP better play nice. The last thing they want is the economy to crash.

 

[JoeB131]

Because acting blunt or like an asshole is necessary sometimes to get things done.

China may have control for two years max if not shorter. They need the Western market to fuel their economy. US companies can move to India or Vietnam for manufacturing. The move will take time but certainly worth it. The CCP better play nice. The last thing they want is the economy to crash.

The problem is, the Western Market dislikes Trump and his nonsense more than they dislike Xi.

Trump got spanked because he overplayed his hand. He's antagonized most of the world.

Why would you want to set up a new factory in India or Vietnam if Trump might get a bug up his ass and impose new tariffs on them?

and wasn't the point to bring factories back here?

 

[TimFitz]

Because acting blunt or like an asshole is necessary sometimes to get things done.

China may have control for two years max if not shorter. They need the Western market to fuel their economy. US companies can move to India or Vietnam for manufacturing. The move will take time but certainly worth it. The CCP better play nice. The last thing they want is the economy to crash.

What got done?

Trump acts like an asshole, alienates the entire planet with his reckless Tarriffs, and the Chinese hit back strategically (they had an actual plan).

Trump’s “plan” was to impose tarriffs because the idea appealed to his parochial base. Then he had the right wing noise machine and his vassals peddle the idea that Tarriffs were going to erase the trade deficit, make the national debt go away, and allow for the elimination of the income tax.

These are all ridiculous fantasies. But they are easy to sell to a low information audience.

 

[Mac-7]

The problem is, the Western Market dislikes Trump and his nonsense more than they dislike Xi.

Trump got spanked because he overplayed his hand. He's antagonized most of the world.

Why would you want to set up a new factory in India or Vietnam if Trump might get a bug up his ass and impose new tariffs on them?

and wasn't the point to bring factories back here?

There is some truth to that, though not as much as JoeB imagines

China is a cunning and ruthless enemy that has infiltrated every country on the planet one way or another using bribes or honeypots or both

The whole world is milking the US on trade so naturally they do not like trump putting American interests ahead of their own

And that applies double for the elites in those countries who have sold their soul to china

 

[drudge X]

Democrats would rather destroy Trump than the country that is famous for manipulating its currency for decades to gain trade and manufacturing advantages.

 

[drudge X]

What got done?

Trump acts like an asshole, alienates the entire planet with his reckless Tarriffs, and the Chinese hit back strategically (they had an actual plan).

Trump’s “plan” was to impose tarriffs because the idea appealed to his parochial base. Then he had the right wing noise machine and his vassals peddle the idea that Tarriffs were going to erase the trade deficit, make the national debt go away, and allow for the elimination of the income tax.

These are all ridiculous fantasies. But they are easy to sell to a low information audience.

Great. Tell us your solution to deal with China and its ongoing dumping practice on the US and EU.

 

[TimFitz]

Great. Tell us your solution to deal with China and its ongoing dumping practice on the US and EU.

If you knew anything at all about the topic….. But all you can parrot is an old right wing claim.

I am not an expert on it either. But I do know that picking a number out of one’s ass, declaring it a tarriff on social media, and changing it at random intervals, for no apparant reason, is NOT.

 

[struth]

Victor Hanson Davis was the guy who kept insisting the Iraq War was a good idea.

I don't think you should put much stock in anything he says.

So did Clinton, and biden

 

[JoeB131]

There is some truth to that, though not as much as JoeB imagines

China is a cunning and ruthless enemy that has infiltrated every country on the planet one way or another using bribes or honeypots or both

The whole world is milking the US on trade so naturally they do not like trump putting American interests ahead of their own

And that applies double for the elites in those countries who have sold their soul to china

Um, no, guy, there aren't Chinese honeypots out there turning the world against America... Trump is doing that all on his own.

And today, his own Supreme Court ***** slapped him on tariffs. Watch for a whole bunch of companies that ended up paying those illegal tariffs start looking for relief.

 

[Mac-7]

Um, no, guy, there aren't Chinese honeypots out there turning the world against America... Trump is doing that all on his own.

And today, his own Supreme Court ***** slapped him on tariffs. Watch for a whole bunch of companies that ended up paying those illegal tariffs start looking for relief.

You know there are

One prominent representative in Congress is just one example of the honeypot success with horny western politicians

 

[drudge X]

Um, no, guy, there aren't Chinese honeypots out there turning the world against America... Trump is doing that all on his own.

And today, his own Supreme Court ***** slapped him on tariffs. Watch for a whole bunch of companies that ended up paying those illegal tariffs start looking for relief.

Not gonna happen.

 

[drudge X]

If you knew anything at all about the topic….. But all you can parrot is an old right wing claim.

I am not an expert on it either. But I do know that picking a number out of one’s ass, declaring it a tarriff on social media, and changing it at random intervals, for no apparant reason, is NOT.

Throwing your opponent off guard and allow no time to adjust is a strategy.

 

[Leo123]

A sensible voice in a sea of crazy leftwing bullshit

Just 10 minutes to sanity

VDH is the real deal. A typical CA geographical conservative grew up in the Central Valley worked on his family's orchard, went to college, is at Stanford Hoover Institute and has deep knowledge.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We can let China set the trade conditions and terms or we can say you need to play fair.

Trump Has to Shut off the Fraternity-Bully Warmongers

We need to sell China lots of oil. China, Russia, India, and America can double their wealth if we get together and quit defending mini-me countries like the Ukraine and Taiwan.

 

[JoeB131]

You know there are

One prominent representative in Congress is just one example of the honeypot success with horny western politicians

What success? She tried to make nice with Swalwell, the FBI warned him about it, and she fled back to China.

That's the best you got?

Not gonna happen.

Did you hear the arguments today? The conservative justices look at these guys like they had shit on their faces.

A tariff is a tax. Only COngress can levy taxes, not the President.

Court appears dubious of Trump’s tariffs

Updated on Nov. 6 at 3:37 p.m. The Supreme Court on Wednesday seemed skeptical of President Donald Trump’s authority to impose sweeping tariffs in a series of executive orders earlier […]

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The Supreme Court on Wednesday seemed skeptical of President Donald Trump’s authority to impose sweeping tariffs in a series of executive orders earlier this year. During more than two-and-a-half hours of oral arguments, a majority of the justices appeared to agree with the small businesses and states challenging the tariffs that they exceeded the powers given to the president under a federal law providing him the authority to regulate commerce during national emergencies created by foreign threats.

Additional skepticism came from Justice Neil Gorsuch, who raised two related objections to the powers that Trump is claiming. Gorsuch asked Sauer, on Trump’s theory, “what would prohibit Congress from just abdicating all responsibility to regulate foreign commerce, for that matter, [or] declare war to the President?” And a few minutes later, Gorsuch suggested that one problem with reading a law like IEEPA to give the president broad powers would be that it would create a “one-way ratchet toward the gradual but continual accretion of power in the executive branch” because, once the president had such powers, he could veto any effort by Congress to take them back.

Some of the other conservative justices joined Gorsuch in voicing skepticism. Chief Justice John Roberts, for example, suggested that Trump’s claim of power under IEEPA might violate the “major questions” doctrine – the idea that if Congress wants to grant power to make decisions of vast economic or political significance it must say so clearly. “The justification,” Roberts said, “is being used for a power to impose tariffs on any product from any country, in any amount for any length of time.”