Libertarianism in a Nutshell II

[midcan5]

Rand's mother receives excellent care during her pregnancy
rand is born in a public education university hospital
he is well cared for in corporate day care
his parents have health insurance through work
he lives in a neighborhood in which the tax code provides good schools
he attends public school and his parents can afford tutors if needed
his grandparents provide funds for college
he attends a state college and graduates with a business degree
in college he joins a libertarian group
a friend of his father recommends him to a colleague for a job interview
he lands a job
he marries a woman of similar background
they have two children
he repeats much of the life of his parents but enters politics
he runs as a republican libertarian
his campaign stresses libertarian principles of freedom
hard work and the free market are the forces that matter
the election is close
rand wins
he enters during a time of excessive budget deficits
an enormous budget package includes reduced taxes and a reduction in entitlements
rand true to his libertarian creed votes yes
his is the deciding vote
protesters hold signs of disagreement in the streets
breakfast and lunch services are stopped for many children
loans are limited for education funds
early child care is reduced
health care also receives a large cutback
rand has been true to his libertarian creed
after all he made it on his own didn't he

Originally posted on fullpolitics.com

 

[DiogenesDog]

I will have a rep point and comment for you later. The bot says I have been too generous in this 24 hour period.

I AM

 

[Mr.Conley]

This is absurd. Anyone can create pretty little stories that, for all their charm, have little relation to reality.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

It's a good thing The State runs education, and thank god they are in charge of food production. I mean education is important, but you'll die without food--it can't be left to the chaos of free markets. So the next time some anti-revolutionary pig wants to start talking about cutting government, ask him how he can make such a claim when he gets a bread ration from the Ministry of Agriculture every week.

 

[midcan5]

Hmm, story? I probably know 10 to ? young men who fit that parable. But I ask how does one brought up in poverty accomplish the same.

 

[JeffWartman]

Rand's mother receives excellent care during her pregnancy
rand is born in a public education university hospital
he is well cared for in corporate day care
his parents have health insurance through work
he lives in a neighborhood in which the tax code provides good schools
he attends public school and his parents can afford tutors if needed
his grandparents provide funds for college
he attends a state college and graduates with a business degree
in college he joins a libertarian group
a friend of his father recommends him to a colleague for a job interview
he lands a job
he marries a woman of similar background
they have two children
he repeats much of the life of his parents but enters politics
he runs as a republican libertarian
his campaign stresses libertarian principles of freedom
hard work and the free market are the forces that matter
the election is close
rand wins
he enters during a time of excessive budget deficits
an enormous budget package includes reduced taxes and a reduction in entitlements
rand true to his libertarian creed votes yes
his is the deciding vote
protesters hold signs of disagreement in the streets
breakfast and lunch services are stopped for many children
loans are limited for education funds
early child care is reduced
health care also receives a large cutback
rand has been true to his libertarian creed
after all he made it on his own didn't he

Originally posted on fullpolitics.com

It is painfully obvious that you do not understand economics or libertarianism.

Your story is meaningless, and you look dumb.

 

[midcan5]

Jeff, I think I understand it too well. I wrote several of these as I disagree with the movement away from a society that cares for the other to a social darwinist society. Treanor can be extreme but he pretty much nails libertarianism.

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/libertarian.html

here are a few others

http://www.fullpolitics.com/viewthread.php?tid=25939
http://www.fullpolitics.com/viewthread.php?tid=26190

 

[mattskramer]

Rand's mother receives excellent care during her pregnancy
rand is born in a public education university hospital
he is well cared for in corporate day care
his parents have health insurance through work
he lives in a neighborhood in which the tax code provides good schools
he attends public school and his parents can afford tutors if needed
his grandparents provide funds for college
he attends a state college and graduates with a business degree
in college he joins a libertarian group
a friend of his father recommends him to a colleague for a job interview
he lands a job
he marries a woman of similar background
they have two children
he repeats much of the life of his parents but enters politics
he runs as a republican libertarian
his campaign stresses libertarian principles of freedom
hard work and the free market are the forces that matter
the election is close
rand wins
he enters during a time of excessive budget deficits
an enormous budget package includes reduced taxes and a reduction in entitlements
rand true to his libertarian creed votes yes
his is the deciding vote
protesters hold signs of disagreement in the streets
breakfast and lunch services are stopped for many children
loans are limited for education funds
early child care is reduced
health care also receives a large cutback
rand has been true to his libertarian creed
after all he made it on his own didn't he

Originally posted on fullpolitics.com

I think that there is a key point that you are missing. While taxes were paid so that Rand could receive things through taxpayer money, it does not mean that he would not have received these things under a more Libertarian environment if given a better opportunity. Rand may have turned out even better if he was subjected to more of the private sector. If people, including businesses, were allowed to keep more of their money, people would have more money to spend in the private sector as they see fit. My parents said that if they didn’t have to pay public school tax, they would have spent the money to send me to private school. If businesses did not have to pay so much in taxes, there would be less overhead. Some of that revenue might be passed onto the consumer in cheaper prices. There are many reasons why people take public service. One reason is because taxes leave people with fewer options and less money with which to spend on similar private sector services.

 

[Diuretic]

I'm counting the ad hominems - it's difficult when someone uses your own tactics on you isn't it righties? . matts has made the effort to address the issues, help him out.

 

[midcan5]

Diuretic, lol - right on.

Matt, but then does everyone in your world have that same opportunity? is there a level playing field there? and taxes are not the key issue, we could easily say if corporations paid less taxes would those taxes help rebuild the infrastructure they use? Or would they go to stock holders who tend to be like Rand. Because I made in life I move in multiple circles, that gives you a perspective on the haves and have nots, the haves have opportunity regardless of talent or intelligence. Solutions are harder.

"The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business. It is, quite simply, an artifact of government regulation of markets and tax laws." Thom Hartmann

 

[mattskramer]

Diuretic, lol - right on.

Matt, but then does everyone in your world have that same opportunity? is there a level playing field there? and taxes are not the key issue, we could easily say if corporations paid less taxes would those taxes help rebuild the infrastructure they use? Or would they go to stock holders who tend to be like Rand. Because I made in life I move in multiple circles, that gives you a perspective on the haves and have nots, the haves have opportunity regardless of talent or intelligence. Solutions are harder.

"The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business. It is, quite simply, an artifact of government regulation of markets and tax laws." Thom Hartmann

I’m a moderate. I just enjoy pestering those who take extreme views. Yes, we need some tax-supported infrastructure. The issue is where to draw the line. I believe in equal opportunity but not in guaranteeing equal results. I believe that the government should temporarily help those who are truly in need of help while not conditioning the needy to forever expect and depend on government handouts. The issue for me comes down to where to draw the line and how much help becomes too much help.

 

[Madeline]

Bear with me as I try and wrap my pea brain around Libertarianism. Is there more to it than taxes and regulations are bad?

 

[Mad Scientist]

From what I've seen about Libertarians, both in their post and official websites is this:

Libertarians are Conservatives who:

A. Want to smoke dope
B. Want to bring the Military back from overseas.

That about right?