Liberals On Abortion

[Chuz Life]

" As Wrong About A White Paper Hat As Everything Else "

* Multiple Degrees With Zoology Included *

Roe vs Wade.....one of the most poorly decided Supreme Court cases, and one of the best examples of judicial activism: In no way is this decision based on the Constitution.
Now you're shown as little knowledge of the judiciary as you have of biology. No shock.
Just be happy that you don’t still have that job that required you to wear that white paper hat.

The roe v wade decision is 100% consistent with us constitution and is 100% ethical .

The per son argument went out the window and now the gang of nothing to do but spread disinformation and vacuous arguments wages onward .

Say it with me. . .


FETAL

HOMICIDE

LAWS.

 

[PoliticalChic]

" As Wrong About A White Paper Hat As Everything Else "

* Multiple Degrees With Zoology Included *

Roe vs Wade.....one of the most poorly decided Supreme Court cases, and one of the best examples of judicial activism: In no way is this decision based on the Constitution.
Now you're shown as little knowledge of the judiciary as you have of biology. No shock.
Just be happy that you don’t still have that job that required you to wear that white paper hat.

The roe v wade decision is 100% consistent with us constitution and is 100% ethical .

The per son argument went out the window and now the gang of nothing to do but spread disinformation and vacuous arguments wages onward .

"The roe v wade decision is 100% consistent with us constitution and is 100% ethical ."
If I ever needed a brain transplant I’d want yours….’cause I’d want one that had never been used.



Watch how easy it is to prove you a dunce......Article 1, section 8 enumerates the authorized powers of the government.

See if you can show where Row v Wade fits.


....it's not the weather being discussed when you hear folks refer to 'twenty below...' It's your IQ.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The entire Republican idea is "every life is meaningful, until it is born then we do not give a shit."

The entire Democrat idea is "Assert my opinion as fact so that I don't have to deal with the topic."

Hold your breath waiting for ANYONE to get defensive about not having your approval, moron.

To the contrary, I find your disapproval boosts my self esteem and general happiness.

I don't know what's more breathtaking: your unintentional irony or your massive tone-deafness and hypocrisy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump payed women to have abortions.

Even women he did not get pregnant.

Evil, abortion loving man.

". . . . But, but . . . TRRRRRUUUUUUUUMMMMMP!!!"

I am just doing what Trump does every day, almost every word out of his mouth.

Just totally making shit up.

". . . But, but . . . TRRRRRUUUUUMMMP!!! Anything I say or do is automatically okay if I just say TTTTRUUUMMMMMPPP!!!"

Newsflash, fucktard: Just because you automatically assume Trump is the epitome of the worst of everything, on the basis that he dared to win the election when you didn't want him to, does not mean that everyone else will just accept that premise.

 

[Chuz Life]

I mean real Liberals, those with integrity and a reputable view of the world, not the mind numbed variety that adhere to the Democrats no matter how insane their current agenda is.




1.Perhaps you’ve noticed that today the strongest Liberals/Democrats are those with the least ability to analyze what they are supporting. As a result, just as Orwell predicted in 1984, they can’t keep straight whether they are at war with Eastasia, or Eurasia. They need not keep track, they simply agree that the enemy at the moment is whoever the leadership says it is.
And today it is the unborn.

Hence, the Liberals were against gay marriage before they were for it. They opposed socialism before they were for it. And they opposed nuclear weapons for Iran before they were in favor of it.
So, no big deal to want to exterminate the defenseless.....

They are clueless to 180° turns by the party. Morons simply march lock-step via the party’s orders.





I came across an interesting real-Liberal essay opposing abortion, and it is instructive to peruse.


2.“Abortion: The Left has betrayed the sanctity of life From The Progressive magazine. Abortion: The Left has betrayed the sanctity of life
Consistency demands concern for the unborn

The abortion issue, more than most, illustrates the occasional tendency of the Left to become so enthusiastic over what is called a "reform" that it forgets to think the issue through. It is ironic that so many on the Left have done on abortion what the conservatives and Cold War liberals did on Vietnam: They marched off in the wrong direction, to fight the wrong war, against the wrong people.

3. Some of us … are now active in the right-to-life movement. We do not enjoy opposing our old friends on the abortion issue, but we feel that we have no choice. We are moved by what pro-life feminists call the "consistency thing" -- the belief that respect for human life demands opposition to abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, and war. We don't think we have either the luxury or the right to choose some types of killing and say that they are all right, while others are not. A human life is a human life; and if equality means anything, it means that society may not value some human lives over others.




4. Until the last decade, people on the Left and Right generally agreed on one rule: We all protected the young. This was not merely agreement on an ethical question: It was also an expression of instinct, so deep and ancient that it scarcely required explanation. Protection of the young included protection of the unborn, for abortion was forbidden by state laws throughout the United States. Those laws reflected an ethical consensus, not based solely on religious tradition but also on scientific evidence that human life begins at conception. The prohibition of abortion in the ancient Hippocratic Oath is well known.

5. …it is important to ask why the Left in the United States generally accepted legalized abortion. One factor was the popular civil libertarian rationale for freedom of choice in abortion. Many feminists presented it as a right of women to control their own bodies. When the objection was raised that abortion ruins another person's body, they respond that a) it is not a body, just a "blob of protoplasm" (thereby displaying ignorance of biology); or b) it is not really a "person" until it is born.

When it was suggested that this is a wholly arbitrary decision, unsupported by any biology evidence, they said, "Well, that's your point of view. This is a matter of individual conscience, and in a pluralistic society people must be free to follow their consciences."




Thinking Liberals, largely an oxymoron today, continue embracing rectitude over party loyalty.

I fear the dangerous delusions of your brain.....

"
1.Perhaps you’ve noticed that today the strongest Liberals/Democrats are those with the least ability to analyze what they are supporting."


As a proud lib-prog I can assure you that I can analyze rationally and logically the things I support;

1. legalize pot
2. pro gay marriage
3. pro gay rights
4. pro strong military
5. pro death penalty for murderers and traitors
6. anti-religious laws
7. anti -"one nation under god" in our pledge
8. anti religion in schools(except in comparative religion classes)
9. affordable health care
10. affordable education
11. workfare
12. legalize prostitution

I can and have logically and rationally defended each of these positions.

"1.Perhaps you’ve noticed that today the strongest Liberals/Democrats are those with the least ability to analyze what they are supporting."



And I accuse YOU and your fellow moronicons of the same crime!


"I hate liberals"
or
"stick it to liberals"


are NOT logical, rational reasons for supporting or opposing any position.

Well. . .

At least you are open and honest.

What about your views regarding abortion on demand?

 

[Cecilie1200]

" Constitutionally Consistent And Valid Empathy Ethics "

* Ignorant Of Your Own Dogma *

Now that we've established your desire to kill the innocent, a question:

When the relgious reich reconciles a conjecture for guilt from carnality and innocence , let us know .

* Syncretism And Extraterrestrials *

Sin (mythology) - Wikipedia

Try to stick to words you understand.....even if that might make you mute.

The term 'reich' has specific implications, and there is no such entity in America.

Now....why do you favor human sacrifice?

Why do you favor sacrificing a woman’s freedom to decide her procreation preferences? Are you a Nazi lover?
.

I know you've proven to be a moron, but see if this gets through your thick skull: a woman has no more justification for slaughtering the child she helped create......and slaughtering same for nothing more than here temporary convenience.....than an individual has of shooting the neighbor who blocked his driveway.

The baby is not a part of her body. She is temporarily feeding it the same as she would be if breastfeeding a six month old.

If you get emotional & resort to stupid name-calling, we know you lost the argument, especially when you equate a neighbor to a woman’s genetic material inside her body.
Or, equating breast-feeding a born independently-breathing child to supplying nourishment to developing bio cells through the placenta.
Can you get any more idiotic? LOL!
.

But you are stupid.

Watch this: is the unborn a part of her body, or a separate, distinct and unique human being?

Chic, you are science stupid.

Watch this: the unborn is a part of her body AND a separate, distinct and unique “human being” (by definition) ... when she is pregnant.

So what?
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So being a separate and distinct human being confers individual rights.

Yes, the human being with unique DNA gets individual rights when becoming a true individual, completely separate from its mother & breathing independently ... after birth.
That’s when they can get their own SSN!

So what?
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I guess you missed the part where they have never existed before or will never exist again. It’s a one shot deal.

They? Non-sentient “beings”?
Do you care about all the sentient beings on earth that are abused or neglected?
I smell a hypocrite here.
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They have exactly the attributes they are supposed to have for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death. At any point along that continuum they are fully human despite your rationalizations to see them as less than human.

“They” are fully “human” ONLY due to human DNA they have, but bio development EVENTUALLY makes them “human beings” ... if all goes well.
It’s estimated that HALF of human pregnancies are aborted NATURALLY (due to mutations, etc), many without the woman knowing she was pregnant!
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They are fully human throughout every stage of their life.

“Fully human” ONLY in terms of the zygote possessing a full set of DNA from the Homo sapien sapien species.
Human beings are fully human in the practical sense when they are FULLY DEVELOPED at normal BIRTH.
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A human being is a human being is a human being.

It is your attempt to dehumanize a human being which demonstrates you believe it is wrong to abort a human being.

Are you getting even more irrational with your illogical desoeration?
You don’t know the difference between a “being” consisting of only ONE cell (Zygote) and a normal baby at birth consisting of BILLIONS of cells?
LOL
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Every point along the continuum is human. A very specific and distinct human. Learn some science.

If by “human” you mean “having DNA representative of the Homo Sapien species”, you are absolutely correct!
So what?
Don’t you know about phylogenetic and ontogenetic development?
I’m sure you are deficient in your science ... and philosophy of science too.
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Yes. That's exactly correct. The DNA of the living human proves it is human.

You are starting to get it.

Apparently, you are not getting it. The DNA in ONE cell does not equate to BILLIONS of DNA/chromosomes in millions of patterns across billions of cells.
Do you have more than ONE brain cell? You don’t seem to add your thiughts beyond ONE.

So tell me, why do you care about one human zygote that’s not wanted by a family you don’t even know exists?

I am getting it. You aren't getting it. Ending a human life is wrong. What part of that don't you understand? Can your conscience not bear reality?

You don’t comprehend reality when it smacks you in the face.
I can see your recent ranting as evidence that you lost rational perspective & are comparing a tiny apple to trillions of oranges.

NO, absolutely not.
My conscience is very clear about losing a human zygote or embryo that I have no reason to care about. NO BIG DEAL.
Why is it a big deal for you? You never explain yourself logically or ethically.

You’re definitely not practical when there are millions of kids dying from starvation and neglect all over the world, and what do you do? Wasting your time in this forum when you can use your resources & time to “save human DNA” ... whereever it may be. LOL
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There's really no difference in your position and slave owners position.

Please come down to reason, Ding!
I hate ALL slavery; i’m an ethical libertarian (live & let live, once born).
Abortion has nothing to do with slavery.
If you disagree, please EXPLAIN RATIONALLY. You never do; you’re likely afraid to ... reveal more religious irrationality.
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Abortion isn't slavery.

What is slavery is forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

The woman doesn't have control of her body or life if she's forced to carry a pregnancy to term then raise the child against her will.

Who thinks a person is going to raise a child right if they don't want to be a mother? That child won't get the proper love or caring for it to become a contributing member of our society.

It's not about abortion with these people. It's about feeling superior over people who are pro choice. While they have no problem killing any living human being walking this planet. They have no problem with that so they use anti abortion to make themselves feel superior over pro choice people.

They are very pathetic people.

"What is slavery is forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term against her will."

How was she forced to create the baby that you now authorize her to kill?

It also begs the question of, "So isn't it slavery to 'force' a woman to be biologically and legally tied to a born child if you refuse to let her kill him?" They never want to follow their "logic" out to its conclusion.

 

[ding]

I guess they never heard of adoption.

 

[ding]

I got ten bucks that says not one of these fools will ever cop to having an abortion.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Private Property Of The Mother "

* No Physical Capacity For Sentience Is Not A Basis For Empathy *

No, I believe that your dehumanization won my day.
You are in stunning company.

Good , makes not a difference to me .

I am not any more impressed with the secular humanism tripe than with the religious humanism of an inchoate fetus tripe .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Not A Necessary Oblation For Anyone "

* More Realism Than Your Stupid Assessment *

I got ten bucks that says not one of these fools will ever cop to having an abortion.

I know of at least two girls who were teens in high school and their fathers took them to get the abortion ; they are both doing great .

 

[ding]

" Private Property Of The Mother "

* No Physical Capacity For Sentience Is Not A Basis For Empathy *

No, I believe that your dehumanization won my day.
You are in stunning company.

Good , makes not a difference to me .

I am not any more impressed with the secular humanism tripe than with the religious humanism of an inchoate fetus tripe .

Do the right thing the right way for the right reason.

150 years from now they will look back on your support in horror.

 

[ding]

" Not A Necessary Oblation For Anyone "

* More Realism Than Your Stupid Assessment *

I got ten bucks that says not one of these fools will ever cop to having an abortion.

I know of at least two girls who were teens in high school and their fathers took them to get the abortion ; they are both doing great .

Thanks for proving me correct.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

The entire Republican idea is "every life is meaningful, until it is born then we do not give a shit."

The entire Democrat idea is "Assert my opinion as fact so that I don't have to deal with the topic."

Hold your breath waiting for ANYONE to get defensive about not having your approval, moron.

To the contrary, I find your disapproval boosts my self esteem and general happiness.

I don't know what's more breathtaking: your unintentional irony or your massive tone-deafness and hypocrisy.

Probably both in equal measure, I am a balanced guy like that.

Still the US abortion debate, as I outlined is a polarised irrational mess, both sides.

But then most American political discourse is these days.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The entire Republican idea is "every life is meaningful, until it is born then we do not give a shit."

The entire Democrat idea is "Assert my opinion as fact so that I don't have to deal with the topic."

Hold your breath waiting for ANYONE to get defensive about not having your approval, moron.

To the contrary, I find your disapproval boosts my self esteem and general happiness.

I don't know what's more breathtaking: your unintentional irony or your massive tone-deafness and hypocrisy.

Probably both in equal measure, I am a balanced guy like that.

Still the US abortion debate, as I outlined is a polarised irrational mess, both sides.

But then most American political discourse is these days.

And whose fault is that? I won't say there aren't some dogmatic slogan-shouters on the pro-life side, but I'll be damned if I've ever seen anything BUT that from the pro-aborts. Even the ones who try to play at being calm and rational are still parroting talking points with their fingers in their ears.

And while we're on the subject, it's the pro-aborts that are utterly and completely unwilling to compromise on the subject. They won't even countenance the "infringement" of safety regulations on abortion clinics that are completely standard in any other medical facility you care to name. Hell, as far as I can tell, they refuse to consider the same level of safety regulations that are standard in tattoo parlors.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Gluttonous Damned Dirty Apes "

* One Wing Spiraling Into Peril *

Do the right thing the right way for the right reason.
150 years from now they will look back on your support in horror.

The antinomian hypocrites of the religious reich can go fuck themselves .

Do the correct thing for the correct reason in the correct way .

Right and left are directions and not ethical standards , witless troll .

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

The entire Republican idea is "every life is meaningful, until it is born then we do not give a shit."

The entire Democrat idea is "Assert my opinion as fact so that I don't have to deal with the topic."

Hold your breath waiting for ANYONE to get defensive about not having your approval, moron.

To the contrary, I find your disapproval boosts my self esteem and general happiness.

I don't know what's more breathtaking: your unintentional irony or your massive tone-deafness and hypocrisy.

Probably both in equal measure, I am a balanced guy like that.

Still the US abortion debate, as I outlined is a polarised irrational mess, both sides.

But then most American political discourse is these days.

And whose fault is that? I won't say there are some dogmatic slogan-shouters on the pro-life side, but I'll be damned if I've ever seen anything BUT that from the pro-aborts. Even the ones who try to play at being calm and rational are still parroting talking points with their fingers in their ears.

And while we're on the subject, it's the pro-aborts that are utterly and completely unwilling to compromise on the subject. They won't even countenance the "infringement" of safety regulations on abortion clinics that are completely standard in any other medical facility you care to name. Hell, as far as I can tell, they refuse to consider the same level of safety regulations that are standard in tattoo parlors.

I agree the Pro Choice people can be extremely irrational, for instance I think their argument a conceived life is not a life until we say it is one is not only irrational but has other dubious moral side effects.

Just admit it is a life but some time taking a life is allowed for the greater good.

But the Pro Life people can be just as irrational, even on rare occasion terrorism and murder.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The entire Republican idea is "every life is meaningful, until it is born then we do not give a shit."

The entire Democrat idea is "Assert my opinion as fact so that I don't have to deal with the topic."

Hold your breath waiting for ANYONE to get defensive about not having your approval, moron.

To the contrary, I find your disapproval boosts my self esteem and general happiness.

I don't know what's more breathtaking: your unintentional irony or your massive tone-deafness and hypocrisy.

Probably both in equal measure, I am a balanced guy like that.

Still the US abortion debate, as I outlined is a polarised irrational mess, both sides.

But then most American political discourse is these days.

And whose fault is that? I won't say there are some dogmatic slogan-shouters on the pro-life side, but I'll be damned if I've ever seen anything BUT that from the pro-aborts. Even the ones who try to play at being calm and rational are still parroting talking points with their fingers in their ears.

And while we're on the subject, it's the pro-aborts that are utterly and completely unwilling to compromise on the subject. They won't even countenance the "infringement" of safety regulations on abortion clinics that are completely standard in any other medical facility you care to name. Hell, as far as I can tell, they refuse to consider the same level of safety regulations that are standard in tattoo parlors.

I agree the Pro Choice people can be extremely irrational, for instance I think their argument a conceived life is not a life until we say it is one is not only irrational but has other dubious moral side effects.

Just admit it is a life but some time taking a life is allowed for the greater good.

But the Pro Life people can be just as irrational, even on rare occasion terrorism and murder.

Excuse me, but trying to equate the entire pro-life side of the debate with a handful of rare lunatics is also irrational, not to mention dishonest. Would you consider it reasonable for me to say, "Bernie Sanders supporters are irrational, even on rare occasions murder and assassination" just because one Sanders-supporting nutjob decided to shoot him some Congressmembers?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Nothing New To See Here "

* Mocking The Shadow Puppets Cast By Those Mired In Mudd *

Thanks for proving me correct.

As what , a poorly informed sycophant lacking an attention span feigning a pretentious guise of success for a lost and idiotic cause ?

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

The entire Republican idea is "every life is meaningful, until it is born then we do not give a shit."

The entire Democrat idea is "Assert my opinion as fact so that I don't have to deal with the topic."

Hold your breath waiting for ANYONE to get defensive about not having your approval, moron.

To the contrary, I find your disapproval boosts my self esteem and general happiness.

I don't know what's more breathtaking: your unintentional irony or your massive tone-deafness and hypocrisy.

Probably both in equal measure, I am a balanced guy like that.

Still the US abortion debate, as I outlined is a polarised irrational mess, both sides.

But then most American political discourse is these days.

And whose fault is that? I won't say there are some dogmatic slogan-shouters on the pro-life side, but I'll be damned if I've ever seen anything BUT that from the pro-aborts. Even the ones who try to play at being calm and rational are still parroting talking points with their fingers in their ears.

And while we're on the subject, it's the pro-aborts that are utterly and completely unwilling to compromise on the subject. They won't even countenance the "infringement" of safety regulations on abortion clinics that are completely standard in any other medical facility you care to name. Hell, as far as I can tell, they refuse to consider the same level of safety regulations that are standard in tattoo parlors.

I agree the Pro Choice people can be extremely irrational, for instance I think their argument a conceived life is not a life until we say it is one is not only irrational but has other dubious moral side effects.

Just admit it is a life but some time taking a life is allowed for the greater good.

But the Pro Life people can be just as irrational, even on rare occasion terrorism and murder.

Excuse me, but trying to equate the entire pro-life side of the debate with a handful of rare lunatics is also irrational, not to mention dishonest. Would you consider it reasonable for me to say, "Bernie Sanders supporters are irrational, even on rare occasions murder and assassination" just because one Sanders-supporting nutjob decided to shoot him some Congressmembers?

There is a lot of irrational discourse writ large on the Pro Life side too, you cannot see it because your flag is planted squarely on that side.

I approach the issue not committed to either side but rather social utility balanced by ethics.

There are no easy answers on this as banning it will not end it but only see it conducted in worse conditions, if history be our guide yet making it too easy or not admitting it is a grave decision also probably increases the number of abortions.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Eros Infatuated With Itself "

* Inconsequential To Ethical Or Legal Standards *

I agree the Pro Choice people can be extremely irrational, for instance I think their argument a conceived life is not a life until we say it is one is not only irrational but has other dubious moral side effects.

The issue is whether and when a wright to life becomes an interest of the state as a state is comprised of citizens and for citizens , and as citizens must be born then birth is a requirement for equal protection .

When life begins has nothing to do with the law or ethics of abortion ; however , the reich wants any edge to continue its facade that it represents the rule of law in the abortion issue .

Their ploy is an attempt to force those defending abortion to concede that a life is being terminated and proceed to denigrate or coerce others into accepting their own oblation from conception and contention to amend the law .

The hue mammon ape wields indiscriminate suffering upon sentient beings out of convenience beyond measure , and yet the gluttonous damned dirty apes seek to hold themselves above others creature out of vain conceit in want for an exception for those of itself not yet capable of sentience or suffering , as without penance !

Blackmun, Roe V. Wade, "Logically, of course, a legitimate state interest in this area need not stand or fall on acceptance of the belief that life begins at conception or at some other point prior to live birth."

* Any Excuse Would Be An Unacceptable Answer For The Religious Reich *

Just admit it is a life but some time taking a life is allowed for the greater good.

There is not a problem in making that declaration , it is implicit ; however , it is not the legal or the ethical basis of the law .

* Whack A Doodles Without Ego Death *

But the Pro Life people can be just as irrational, even on rare occasion terrorism and murder.

Myopia and a uniform fetish are part of egoism .