Liberals On Abortion

[JoeB131]

To choose to kill???

Oh....forget that question......already verified.


BTW....the Old and New Testaments are paeans to life, not death.

Fetuses aren't people. Again, where in the Bible is ABORTION specifically prohibited?

As far as the bible being a "paean to life, not death", how about this little gem.

Book of Numbers

5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

5:13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;

5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

5:29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
5:30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

5:31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

So in short, a man suspects that a kid isn't his, the priest makes her drink essentially poison, and when she gets sick, she AND her fetus get executed.

This is a "Paean to life" by you?

 

[Dana7360]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

"If the crazy far right radical extremists ..."

There is no 'Far Right' in this country.



Watch me use YOU to prove it.


There is no Far Right in this country.


Only a Far Left.


Easily proven.

As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!


Your challenge:

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

Did you really want to refer to a number of deaths??????

TOTAL ABORTIONS SINCE 1973:
59,115,995

Based on numbers reported by the Guttmacher Institute 1973-2014, with projections of 926,190 for 2015-16. GI estimates a possible 3 percent under reporting rate, which is factored into the overall total. [1/17]​

http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/u-s-abortion-statistics-by-year-1973-current-1042

Put your hoof in your mouth that time, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

I am to facts what McDonald's is to hamburgers.

Abortion in the killing of another human being.
98.5% of all abortions don't involve rape or incest.
Nearly all abortions are for convenience....nothing more.
The unborn is not part of her body any more than a 6-month old breast feeding is.
There is no way to separate late term abortion from infanticide.
Government funding for abortion...Planned Parenthood gets over half a billion dollars....is illegal.

Oh...and this fact: you are a savage.

 

[JoeB131]

Did you really want to refer to a number of deaths??????

TOTAL ABORTIONS SINCE 1973:
59,115,995​

Fetuses aren't people. So there are no "Deaths".

 

[JoeB131]

I am to facts what McDonald's is to hamburgers.

You crank out generic, bad tasting versions of the product that are barely warm or edible?

Abortion in the killing of another human being.
98.5% of all abortions don't involve rape or incest.
Nearly all abortions are for convenience....nothing more.

So what? Why is that any of your business?

You see, here's the dirty little secret about abortions. There were just as many abortions being performed before Roe v. Wade as after. Roe just got rid of laws that no one was following and no one was enforcing.

Then the Christian Right needed an issue to get asses in pews because Segregation wasn't working out for them anymore. Why, what about Abortion?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you really want to refer to a number of deaths??????

TOTAL ABORTIONS SINCE 1973:
59,115,995​

Fetuses aren't people. So there are no "Deaths".

Of course they are, Walter.

Homo sapiens.

Unless you'd like to claim otherwise. Please feel free....it certainly won't damage your reputation to be wrong yet again.

"Reporter stunned as top abortionist admits he has no problem killing ‘babies’
A top US abortionist has left a BBC reporter lost for words after admitting he has no problem killing “babies.”

...Ms Andersson asked Carhart how late in the pregnancy he would perform an abortion. Carhart refused to respond on camera, but then left Ms Andersson visibly stunned by saying:
The baby has no input in this as far as I’m concerned.”

Ms Andersson then pointed out Carhart’s use of the word “baby” rather than “fetus”, asking why he would use that word when others prefer more dehumanizing terms.

“I think that it is a baby,” Carhart interrupted. “And I use [the word baby] with patients.”

Ms Andersson then asked if Carhart had any problem with killing a baby?

“Absolutely not,” Carhart coldly replied.


Much time and energy is spent trying to persuade pro-abortion apologists that an unborn baby is a human life, as though that fact wasn’t bleeding obvious to everyone."
WATCH: Reporter stunned as top abortionist admits he has no problem killing ‘babies’

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am to facts what McDonald's is to hamburgers.

You crank out generic, bad tasting versions of the product that are barely warm or edible?

Abortion in the killing of another human being.
98.5% of all abortions don't involve rape or incest.
Nearly all abortions are for convenience....nothing more.

So what? Why is that any of your business?

You see, here's the dirty little secret about abortions. There were just as many abortions being performed before Roe v. Wade as after. Roe just got rid of laws that no one was following and no one was enforcing.

Then the Christian Right needed an issue to get asses in pews because Segregation wasn't working out for them anymore. Why, what about Abortion?

"So what? Why is that any of your business?"


The same argument would apply to bank robbery or murder of any stranger.

Only a fool would use that excuse.

Raise your paw.

 

[initforme]

To eliminate Abortions we need to

1). Cut down on the number of conceptions big time. With all of the contraception choices available I don't understand why this is so hard.
2). Encourage young couples to think twice if the really want to have kids, and then take the proper steps to prevent pregnancies.

This is the way to get rid of the barbaric procedure. People need to make a darn choice. Don't want kids that's great. Then take the proper steps. In our church we have several young hard working married couples, all childless by choice. They have nice houses, travel, etc. They've been members for years now. Imagine that, some of the men and women had vasectomies at a young age. The took precautions.

 

[alang1216]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

"If the crazy far right radical extremists ..."

There is no 'Far Right' in this country.



Watch me use YOU to prove it.


There is no Far Right in this country.


Only a Far Left.


Easily proven.

As documented in a number of threads, there is no Far Right in America, but certainly is a Far Left, radicals who have taken over one of the parties….the Democrats. A reminder: To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center. American traditions, values, and history represent that center. The Right, represented by the Republican Party, has no radial positions not consistent with America’s heritage…..but the Democrats sure do!

Subservient to the master they serve, that fire and brimstone guy, the Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Talk about “Far”!!!!


Your challenge:

If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.

In the English language, the political terms Right and Left are RELATIVE not fixed. What this means in reality is that, by definition, there is always a Far Right, Center Right, Moderate, Center Left, and Far Left. What policies fall under these umbrellas is debatable but they have always and will always exist. Even Gov't school taught us that.

 

[Dana7360]

As is the case with so very many of your hate-filled posts, there is no proof of this anti-American meme.

Actually, there's plenty of proof.

Some of descendants have the same Y Chromosone as Jefferson's White descendants.
There were newspaper articles at the time that talked about the scandal.
Not to mention the fact that poor Sally was the half-sister to Jefferson's dead wife. Poor thing never stood a chance.

s there anyone....including yourself.....that you don't hate?

I five year old screams "Why do you hate me?" when corrected. An adult reviews the criticism and evaluates it.

Once again, your child-like view of the world is quaint... It makes me laugh.

I can't believe that someone doesn't know that the DNA tests were done in 1998.

Those DNA tests show that at least one if not all of Sally Hemmings children were fathered by Thomas Jefferson.

The debate since then has been whether the sex was consensual or not.

The only people who know if it was consensual or not are Ms. Hemmings and Mr. Jefferson.

Is It True? | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[alang1216]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

I am to facts what McDonald's is to hamburgers.

Abortion in the killing of another human being.
98.5% of all abortions don't involve rape or incest.
Nearly all abortions are for convenience....nothing more.
The unborn is not part of her body any more than a 6-month old breast feeding is.
There is no way to separate late term abortion from infanticide.
Government funding for abortion...Planned Parenthood gets over half a billion dollars....is illegal.

Oh...and this fact: you are a savage.

I find McDonald's burgers to be tasteless and a distortion of what a burger should be. The Federal Gov't DOES NOT FUND ABORTIONS. It does provide money to PP for other health services but, you are correct is illegal for that money to be used for abortions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As is the case with so very many of your hate-filled posts, there is no proof of this anti-American meme.

Actually, there's plenty of proof.

Some of descendants have the same Y Chromosone as Jefferson's White descendants.
There were newspaper articles at the time that talked about the scandal.
Not to mention the fact that poor Sally was the half-sister to Jefferson's dead wife. Poor thing never stood a chance.

s there anyone....including yourself.....that you don't hate?

I five year old screams "Why do you hate me?" when corrected. An adult reviews the criticism and evaluates it.

Once again, your child-like view of the world is quaint... It makes me laugh.

I can't believe that someone doesn't know that the DNA tests were done in 1998.

Those DNA tests show that at least one if not all of Sally Hemmings children were fathered by Thomas Jefferson.

The debate since then has been whether the sex was consensual or not.

The only people who know if it was consensual or not are Ms. Hemmings and Mr. Jefferson.

Is It True? | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS

False.


"When one examines the body of the article, it is clear that such a definite conclusion is not supported by the actual findings, since the DNA tests were performed on the descendants of Thomas Jefferson's uncle, not on those of Thomas Jefferson himself (Thomas Jefferson had no male-line descendants), and any of a large number of persons living at the time could have supplied the DNA to Sally.

.... "Due to complaints to Nature by myself and others, Dr. Foster issued another story in the January 7, 1999, issue of Nature stating that it was true that men of Randolph Jefferson's family could have fathered Sally Heming's later children."
Jeffersonian Perspective DNA Sally Hemings


You must be a government school grad, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you write this?

" Right-to-Lifers that claim there is no 'tissue', only baby."

I did. Do you really need a link to prove that some Right-to-Lifers claim that 'personhood' begins at conception?

Anything to make you happy:

“Personhood” laws seek to classify fertilized eggs, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses as “persons,” and to grant them full legal protection under the U.S. Constitution, including the right to life from the moment of conception.

If the crazy far right radical extremists are allowed to create such a law it will kill thousands of women.

Just in ectopic pregnancy alone that will kill over 65 thousand women a year.

The only result of an ectopic pregnancy is:

1. Nothing is done. The woman dies.

2. An abortion is performed. The woman lives.

There is absolutely no life in an ectopic pregnancy.

Only death for the woman.

I am to facts what McDonald's is to hamburgers.

Abortion in the killing of another human being.
98.5% of all abortions don't involve rape or incest.
Nearly all abortions are for convenience....nothing more.
The unborn is not part of her body any more than a 6-month old breast feeding is.
There is no way to separate late term abortion from infanticide.
Government funding for abortion...Planned Parenthood gets over half a billion dollars....is illegal.

Oh...and this fact: you are a savage.

I find McDonald's burgers to be tasteless and a distortion of what a burger should be. The Federal Gov't DOES NOT FUND ABORTIONS. It does provide money to PP for other health services but, you are correct is illegal for that money to be used for abortions.

The money given to Planned Butcherhood is fungible.

Better look that up, dunce.

 

[Dana7360]

When I took American History, both Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson (not to mention many others) were greatly against slavery.

Again, did you miss the part where Jefferson had a huge plantation with lost of slaves, was raping the shit out of poor Sally Hemmings?

However, in order to build a union they had to deal with plantation owners in the
South who depended on slaves to keep their businesses competitive. The anti-slavery defenders had to concede in order to achieve including southern growers who provided cotton for northern state factories.

This is where you are a little confused. Cotton wasn't a big crop in 1776, and there were very few factories in the North. That all came later with the industrial revolution. The big crop in the South at the time was Tobacco, with sugar cane being a close second..

They caved for unity with the hope that one day, slavery would be abolished. The alternative was to let go of southern states who could furnish goods with which to repel the world's most successful army, Great Britain. They knew what they had to have to get rid of the disintrested monarchy King Chas. of Britain tended to be.

Actually, the slave states were the instigators of the revolution, because they knew at some point, Britain would outlaw slavery in the colonies just like they already had in Britain itself. There was really nothing noble about the American Revolution. It was a pure power grab by some awful people.

I have this dream where Washington and Jefferson ended up at the end of ropes, and the Dominion of North America abolished slavery in 1830. None of this manifest destiny bullshit. We'd all have universal health care by now.

Even their best guy, Benjamin Franklin couldn't persuade him to take an interest in the colonies who'd fed Britain astonishing profits since the very early years of the seventeenth century.

Actually, Charles III (or more to the point, his Parliament) was more than willing to negotiate with the Colonials in good faith.

So you are calling Attorney General Barr corrupt? OK. List his crime,

Covering up for Bush and Reagan in Iran Contra, and Iraq gate in the 1990's, what he's trying to do for Trump now.

I would add what barr did at Ruby Ridge.

He had the FBI kill many people there. Even the family dog. They killed Ms. Weaver as she stood on her porch holding her baby.

Then lied about the whole thing and tried to cover it up.

william barr belongs in prison for the deaths at Ruby Ridge.

 

[initforme]

Why are people who have no intention of getting pregnant getting pregnant when there is a myriad of cheap effective ways not to conceive? Nobody will answer this and nobody is out there telling young couples it's ok if you don't want kids? This is the answer to knocking out abortion.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course they are, Walter.

Homo sapiens.

Unless you'd like to claim otherwise. Please feel free....it certainly won't damage your reputation to be wrong yet again.

NOt viable, not people.

Sorry, Mail Order Bride From Hell, you lose again.

 

[JoeB131]

Why are people who have no intention of getting pregnant getting pregnant when there is a myriad of cheap effective ways not to conceive? Nobody will answer this and nobody is out there telling young couples it's ok if you don't want kids? This is the answer to knocking out abortion.

Sounds like a guy who has never had sex.

When you are in the mood, contraception is often the last thing on your mind.

Most forms of contraception aren't fun to use. Rubbers reduce sensation, pills screw with your mood, etc.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course they are, Walter.

Homo sapiens.

Unless you'd like to claim otherwise. Please feel free....it certainly won't damage your reputation to be wrong yet again.

NOt viable, not people.

Sorry, Mail Order Bride From Hell, you lose again.

You just make up your own way to authorize the slaughter?

Everyone recognizes what you are.