CDZ Liberal/Conservative Labels Miss the Point

[PratchettFan]

On taxes, I just don't like theft, which is what a tax is. I certanly don't want more of my income stolen to pay for things people should be paying for themselves, like birth control.

My position on guns is if the government can't establish I am a danger, then it is none of their business. I draw the line on weapons which are inherently dangerous. I don't think I should be able to have a 500 pound bomb in my garage, but that is the nature of compromise.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft. So if you use the roads, enjoy freedom won by our military, expect your day in court, want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off, then you need to pay your share of that cost. That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

Why yes, I did. Pezz cites his taxes being used to pay for someone else's birth control and you respond with taxes being used to pay for roads and fire departments.

If you believe that my characterization of your tactic is misleading or in error, please make your case.

He said taxes were theft. He did not say that using taxes for things he did not approve of was theft. I responded that taxes were not theft. That, in fact, taxes were to pay for the things we all use and not paying for such things is theft.

Your characterization was not misleading, it was just outright wrong.

 

[Ellipsis]

On taxes, I just don't like theft, which is what a tax is. I certanly don't want more of my income stolen to pay for things people should be paying for themselves, like birth control.

My position on guns is if the government can't establish I am a danger, then it is none of their business. I draw the line on weapons which are inherently dangerous. I don't think I should be able to have a 500 pound bomb in my garage, but that is the nature of compromise.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft. So if you use the roads, enjoy freedom won by our military, expect your day in court, want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off, then you need to pay your share of that cost. That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

Why yes, I did. Pezz cites his taxes being used to pay for someone else's birth control and you respond with taxes being used to pay for roads and fire departments.

If you believe that my characterization of your tactic is misleading or in error, please make your case.

He said taxes were theft. He did not say that using taxes for things he did not approve of was theft. I responded that taxes were not theft. That, in fact, taxes were to pay for the things we all use and not paying for such things is theft.

Your characterization was not misleading, it was just outright wrong.

Taxes are theft. Taking my property without my permission is theft.

 

[PratchettFan]

Funny how I mention birth control and you think of public services. I wonder if ObamaCare pays for prostitution.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft.

I've never taken anything from native americans, so why is my income being taxed to give tribal members a check every month just for breathing?

I pay White'Tax.

So if you use the roads...

I pay registration and tolls for that.

...enjoy freedom won by our military...

I'm in the military.

...expect your day in court...

We pay court fees for that.

....want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off....

We get billed for that. If you slice your leg and the ambulance takes you to the hospital, you have to pay for that either yourself or through your insurance. You are literaly billed for the ambulance service. I know because I got the bill for calling 911 when I thought my infant son broke his ankle. Turns out he wasn't badly injured at all and the ambulance didn't treat him, and they still billed $100 just for them making an appearance.

then you need to pay your share of that cost.

Oh I do, but throgh seporate billing, not through taxes.

That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Yeah, actualy I am.

****
Congress needs a billing code. Adressing core functions of the nation can be billed to tax payers, and a diferent billing code for time used adressing bullshit like ObamaCare or SSM or abortion. The special interest groups can pay for that crap, not me, I have no skin in those games.

Anyway, no, I should not be paying for anyone's birth control. If I want to help a spicific person, then I'll hand them cash. I'm also free to donate to a related charity. The IRS taking money out of my check to pay for slut's birth control (Ms.Fluke) is indeed theft.

But hey, I love compromise, so take my money but use it to force her to have her tubes tied. And no viagra for men until after the vasectomy, either.

Let me deal with the serf issue first. When I was in we had draftees, but I was not one. I volunteered. The draftees had a claim to being a serf, but not me. If you are currently in, it is extremely unlikely you were a draftee. You chose to raise you hand, you don't get to say you are a serf. Once you have met your commitment, you are free to leave any time you like. That may not be convenient for you, but no one said life is fair.

As to all of the rest, your understanding of the cost of providing services is amazingly limited. You think service fees actually cover the cost of a fire department? It doesn't meet the cost of boots. A new ladder truck will run between $800K and $1 million, and the cost of maintenance on it will run perhaps $15K a year. An ambulance is a half million easy. The payroll for firefighters in my county last year was $122 million, and that is just the firefighters. If they priced the cost of saving your house to the actual cost, you'd find it cheaper to let it burn without insurance.

We live in one of the most advanced societies on the planet. The poverty line in this country is four times the income of the average income in Nigeria. We have homeless people, but we don't have children dying in the streets from starvation. You don't see shanty towns made of plywood and sheet metal with no electricity or plumbing. Our poor would be seen as middle class in most of the world. Maintaining that isn't free. It means creating and maintaining an infrastructure with is both complicated and expensive. But that is the reason you get to live in the society you do. If that means you might have to pay an extra $0.00005 a year because someone gets a prescription you don't approve of... well my heart just bleeds for you.

 

[Pogo]

On taxes, I just don't like theft, which is what a tax is. I certanly don't want more of my income stolen to pay for things people should be paying for themselves, like birth control.

My position on guns is if the government can't establish I am a danger, then it is none of their business. I draw the line on weapons which are inherently dangerous. I don't think I should be able to have a 500 pound bomb in my garage, but that is the nature of compromise.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft. So if you use the roads, enjoy freedom won by our military, expect your day in court, want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off, then you need to pay your share of that cost. That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

Why yes, I did. Pezz cites his taxes being used to pay for someone else's birth control and you respond with taxes being used to pay for roads and fire departments.

If you believe that my characterization of your tactic is misleading or in error, please make your case.

He said taxes were theft. He did not say that using taxes for things he did not approve of was theft. I responded that taxes were not theft. That, in fact, taxes were to pay for the things we all use and not paying for such things is theft.

Your characterization was not misleading, it was just outright wrong.

Taxes are theft. Taking my property without my permission is theft.

Actually your legislative representatives gave that permission on your behalf, whether you agreed to it or not.

That's simply the way it works and must work -- unless you propose to be an individual soverign nation.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Funny how I mention birth control and you think of public services. I wonder if ObamaCare pays for prostitution.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft.

I've never taken anything from native americans, so why is my income being taxed to give tribal members a check every month just for breathing?

I pay White'Tax.

So if you use the roads...

I pay registration and tolls for that.

...enjoy freedom won by our military...

I'm in the military.

...expect your day in court...

We pay court fees for that.

....want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off....

We get billed for that. If you slice your leg and the ambulance takes you to the hospital, you have to pay for that either yourself or through your insurance. You are literaly billed for the ambulance service. I know because I got the bill for calling 911 when I thought my infant son broke his ankle. Turns out he wasn't badly injured at all and the ambulance didn't treat him, and they still billed $100 just for them making an appearance.

then you need to pay your share of that cost.

Oh I do, but throgh seporate billing, not through taxes.

That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Yeah, actualy I am.

****
Congress needs a billing code. Adressing core functions of the nation can be billed to tax payers, and a diferent billing code for time used adressing bullshit like ObamaCare or SSM or abortion. The special interest groups can pay for that crap, not me, I have no skin in those games.

Anyway, no, I should not be paying for anyone's birth control. If I want to help a spicific person, then I'll hand them cash. I'm also free to donate to a related charity. The IRS taking money out of my check to pay for slut's birth control (Ms.Fluke) is indeed theft.

But hey, I love compromise, so take my money but use it to force her to have her tubes tied. And no viagra for men until after the vasectomy, either.

Let me deal with the serf issue first. When I was in we had draftees, but I was not one. I volunteered. The draftees had a claim to being a serf, but not me. If you are currently in, it is extremely unlikely you were a draftee. You chose to raise you hand, you don't get to say you are a serf. Once you have met your commitment, you are free to leave any time you like. That may not be convenient for you, but no one said life is fair.

As to all of the rest, your understanding of the cost of providing services is amazingly limited. You think service fees actually cover the cost of a fire department? It doesn't meet the cost of boots. A new ladder truck will run between $800K and $1 million, and the cost of maintenance on it will run perhaps $15K a year. An ambulance is a half million easy. The payroll for firefighters in my county last year was $122 million, and that is just the firefighters. If they priced the cost of saving your house to the actual cost, you'd find it cheaper to let it burn without insurance.

We live in one of the most advanced societies on the planet. The poverty line in this country is four times the income of the average income in Nigeria. We have homeless people, but we don't have children dying in the streets from starvation. You don't see shanty towns made of plywood and sheet metal with no electricity or plumbing. Our poor would be seen as middle class in most of the world. Maintaining that isn't free. It means creating and maintaining an infrastructure with is both complicated and expensive. But that is the reason you get to live in the society you do. If that means you might have to pay an extra $0.00005 a year because someone gets a prescription you don't approve of... well my heart just bleeds for you.

Your comment was very good up until the last sentence. You defended taxes on the basis of necessity for PUBLIC goods and then concluded that paying for PRIVATE goods was settled. That was a complete non-sequitur of a conclusion.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Taxation, when such rests within objective reason is perfectly reasonable.

Of course the Ideological Left rests entirely in Relativism... and relativism axiomatically reject objectivity... therefore, taxes initiated by the Left will be wholly subjective, thus they are little more than the force of law being used to confiscate the property of those who justly own that property... which is THEFT!

There's nothing complex about any of this crap, I fail to see how this nonsense can be so discussed, ad nauseam. The Ideological Left is a virulent strain of invalid reasoning, which infects cultures, such as the US, with Foreign Ideas that are hostile to soundly reasoned natural principle... . To tolerate is SUICIDE.

So, if one is a healthy individual intent upon remaining viable, what purpose does it serve to entertain these idiots?

 

[Treeshepherd]

It's been said before...
Politics is like professional wrestling. On one side, you've got fervent Hulk Hogan fans. On the other side, you've got Andre the Giant fans. And then you've got most people who don't care about wrestling at all.
The outcomes are predetermined, following a script, and a lot of rhetoric is thrown around, but after the match both wrestlers get paid by the same owner- McMahon. Everyone hates McMahon, and one of the wrestlers, and that's what drives ticket sales, which ironically enriches McMahon.

End result;

Endless War
One Nation Under Surveillance
Corporate Welfare
Tax shelters for billionaires.
Too Big To Fail institutions.
Deficit Spending.

Sometimes I'm surprised, like when the public came out totally against Omama/Kerry bombing Syria, and they changed their minds. That was an exception to the rule, when the voice of the people compelled The Man to delay his plans.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

It's been said before...
Politics is like professional wrestling. On one side, you've got fervent Hulk Hogan fans. On the other side, you've got Andre the Giant fans. And then you've got most people who don't care about wrestling at all.
The outcomes are predetermined, following a script, and a lot of rhetoric is thrown around, but after the match both wrestlers get paid by the same owner- McMahon. Everyone hates McMahon, and one of the wrestlers, and that's what drives ticket sales, which ironically enriches McMahon.

End result;

Endless War
One Nation Under Surveillance
Corporate Welfare
Tax shelters for billionaires.
Too Big To Fail institutions.
Deficit Spending.

Sometimes I'm surprised, like when the public came out totally against Omama/Kerry bombing Syria, and they changed their minds. That was an exception to the rule, when the voice of the people compelled The Man to delay his plans.

LOL! Says the purveyors of Foreign Ideas Hostile to soundly reasoned principle.

'Hey... We reject nature's laws that govern human behavior and the chaos, calamity and catastrophe that inevitably result from our foolish choices, are the responsibility, thus are caused by... those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the laws of nature that govern human behavior and their extreme disagreement with our 'feelings'.

 

[Treeshepherd]

Right wing, left wing, chicken wing,
McDonalds, Burger King,
It's all the same thing.
Bunch of wing nuts, flying around in circles.

 

[PratchettFan]

On taxes, I just don't like theft, which is what a tax is. I certanly don't want more of my income stolen to pay for things people should be paying for themselves, like birth control.

My position on guns is if the government can't establish I am a danger, then it is none of their business. I draw the line on weapons which are inherently dangerous. I don't think I should be able to have a 500 pound bomb in my garage, but that is the nature of compromise.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft. So if you use the roads, enjoy freedom won by our military, expect your day in court, want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off, then you need to pay your share of that cost. That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

Why yes, I did. Pezz cites his taxes being used to pay for someone else's birth control and you respond with taxes being used to pay for roads and fire departments.

If you believe that my characterization of your tactic is misleading or in error, please make your case.

He said taxes were theft. He did not say that using taxes for things he did not approve of was theft. I responded that taxes were not theft. That, in fact, taxes were to pay for the things we all use and not paying for such things is theft.

Your characterization was not misleading, it was just outright wrong.

Taxes are theft. Taking my property without my permission is theft.

Funny how I mention birth control and you think of public services. I wonder if ObamaCare pays for prostitution.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft.

I've never taken anything from native americans, so why is my income being taxed to give tribal members a check every month just for breathing?

I pay White'Tax.

So if you use the roads...

I pay registration and tolls for that.

...enjoy freedom won by our military...

I'm in the military.

...expect your day in court...

We pay court fees for that.

....want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off....

We get billed for that. If you slice your leg and the ambulance takes you to the hospital, you have to pay for that either yourself or through your insurance. You are literaly billed for the ambulance service. I know because I got the bill for calling 911 when I thought my infant son broke his ankle. Turns out he wasn't badly injured at all and the ambulance didn't treat him, and they still billed $100 just for them making an appearance.

then you need to pay your share of that cost.

Oh I do, but throgh seporate billing, not through taxes.

That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Yeah, actualy I am.

****
Congress needs a billing code. Adressing core functions of the nation can be billed to tax payers, and a diferent billing code for time used adressing bullshit like ObamaCare or SSM or abortion. The special interest groups can pay for that crap, not me, I have no skin in those games.

Anyway, no, I should not be paying for anyone's birth control. If I want to help a spicific person, then I'll hand them cash. I'm also free to donate to a related charity. The IRS taking money out of my check to pay for slut's birth control (Ms.Fluke) is indeed theft.

But hey, I love compromise, so take my money but use it to force her to have her tubes tied. And no viagra for men until after the vasectomy, either.

Let me deal with the serf issue first. When I was in we had draftees, but I was not one. I volunteered. The draftees had a claim to being a serf, but not me. If you are currently in, it is extremely unlikely you were a draftee. You chose to raise you hand, you don't get to say you are a serf. Once you have met your commitment, you are free to leave any time you like. That may not be convenient for you, but no one said life is fair.

As to all of the rest, your understanding of the cost of providing services is amazingly limited. You think service fees actually cover the cost of a fire department? It doesn't meet the cost of boots. A new ladder truck will run between $800K and $1 million, and the cost of maintenance on it will run perhaps $15K a year. An ambulance is a half million easy. The payroll for firefighters in my county last year was $122 million, and that is just the firefighters. If they priced the cost of saving your house to the actual cost, you'd find it cheaper to let it burn without insurance.

We live in one of the most advanced societies on the planet. The poverty line in this country is four times the income of the average income in Nigeria. We have homeless people, but we don't have children dying in the streets from starvation. You don't see shanty towns made of plywood and sheet metal with no electricity or plumbing. Our poor would be seen as middle class in most of the world. Maintaining that isn't free. It means creating and maintaining an infrastructure with is both complicated and expensive. But that is the reason you get to live in the society you do. If that means you might have to pay an extra $0.00005 a year because someone gets a prescription you don't approve of... well my heart just bleeds for you.

Your comment was very good up until the last sentence. You defended taxes on the basis of necessity for PUBLIC goods and then concluded that paying for PRIVATE goods was settled. That was a complete non-sequitur of a conclusion.

Who decides whether or not something is a public good? Is a shelter that keeps a family from spending the night in a cardboard box a public or private good?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's all the same thing.
Bunch of wing nuts, flying around in circles.

dear, Aristotle and Plato thought freedom and govt were opposites as did Jefferson and Marx. So freedom and govt are not the same thing. Welcome to the first day of the rest of your life.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If that means you might have to pay an extra $0.00005 a year because someone gets a prescription you don't approve of... well my heart just bleeds for you.

you miss the point!!
1) welfare entitlements cost about 50% of everyone's pay not .00000005 a year.
2) welfare entitlements cripple more people each year so society gets poorer each year
3) Stalin did not stop when the first 5 million slowly starved to death and for our liberals there is never enough welfare either. Read "Never Enough" if you want a deeper understanding.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So, if one is a healthy individual intent upon remaining viable, what purpose does it serve to entertain these idiots?

well I don't see it as entertaining liberals but rather pointing out how stupid, dangerous, and treasonous they are.

 

[Rikurzhen]

On taxes, I just don't like theft, which is what a tax is. I certanly don't want more of my income stolen to pay for things people should be paying for themselves, like birth control.

My position on guns is if the government can't establish I am a danger, then it is none of their business. I draw the line on weapons which are inherently dangerous. I don't think I should be able to have a 500 pound bomb in my garage, but that is the nature of compromise.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft. So if you use the roads, enjoy freedom won by our military, expect your day in court, want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off, then you need to pay your share of that cost. That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

Why yes, I did. Pezz cites his taxes being used to pay for someone else's birth control and you respond with taxes being used to pay for roads and fire departments.

If you believe that my characterization of your tactic is misleading or in error, please make your case.

He said taxes were theft. He did not say that using taxes for things he did not approve of was theft. I responded that taxes were not theft. That, in fact, taxes were to pay for the things we all use and not paying for such things is theft.

Your characterization was not misleading, it was just outright wrong.

Taxes are theft. Taking my property without my permission is theft.

Funny how I mention birth control and you think of public services. I wonder if ObamaCare pays for prostitution.

Taxes are not theft. Taking something and refusing to pay for it is theft.

I've never taken anything from native americans, so why is my income being taxed to give tribal members a check every month just for breathing?

I pay White'Tax.

So if you use the roads...

I pay registration and tolls for that.

...enjoy freedom won by our military...

I'm in the military.

...expect your day in court...

We pay court fees for that.

....want firefighters to extinguish your house or come get you if you slice your leg off....

We get billed for that. If you slice your leg and the ambulance takes you to the hospital, you have to pay for that either yourself or through your insurance. You are literaly billed for the ambulance service. I know because I got the bill for calling 911 when I thought my infant son broke his ankle. Turns out he wasn't badly injured at all and the ambulance didn't treat him, and they still billed $100 just for them making an appearance.

then you need to pay your share of that cost.

Oh I do, but throgh seporate billing, not through taxes.

That does not mean you decide how the money will be spent, just like owning some shares in AT&T doesn't let you tell the CEO how to do his job. If you don't like that deal, you're not a serf tied to the land.

Yeah, actualy I am.

****
Congress needs a billing code. Adressing core functions of the nation can be billed to tax payers, and a diferent billing code for time used adressing bullshit like ObamaCare or SSM or abortion. The special interest groups can pay for that crap, not me, I have no skin in those games.

Anyway, no, I should not be paying for anyone's birth control. If I want to help a spicific person, then I'll hand them cash. I'm also free to donate to a related charity. The IRS taking money out of my check to pay for slut's birth control (Ms.Fluke) is indeed theft.

But hey, I love compromise, so take my money but use it to force her to have her tubes tied. And no viagra for men until after the vasectomy, either.

Let me deal with the serf issue first. When I was in we had draftees, but I was not one. I volunteered. The draftees had a claim to being a serf, but not me. If you are currently in, it is extremely unlikely you were a draftee. You chose to raise you hand, you don't get to say you are a serf. Once you have met your commitment, you are free to leave any time you like. That may not be convenient for you, but no one said life is fair.

As to all of the rest, your understanding of the cost of providing services is amazingly limited. You think service fees actually cover the cost of a fire department? It doesn't meet the cost of boots. A new ladder truck will run between $800K and $1 million, and the cost of maintenance on it will run perhaps $15K a year. An ambulance is a half million easy. The payroll for firefighters in my county last year was $122 million, and that is just the firefighters. If they priced the cost of saving your house to the actual cost, you'd find it cheaper to let it burn without insurance.

We live in one of the most advanced societies on the planet. The poverty line in this country is four times the income of the average income in Nigeria. We have homeless people, but we don't have children dying in the streets from starvation. You don't see shanty towns made of plywood and sheet metal with no electricity or plumbing. Our poor would be seen as middle class in most of the world. Maintaining that isn't free. It means creating and maintaining an infrastructure with is both complicated and expensive. But that is the reason you get to live in the society you do. If that means you might have to pay an extra $0.00005 a year because someone gets a prescription you don't approve of... well my heart just bleeds for you.

Your comment was very good up until the last sentence. You defended taxes on the basis of necessity for PUBLIC goods and then concluded that paying for PRIVATE goods was settled. That was a complete non-sequitur of a conclusion.

Who decides whether or not something is a public good? Is a shelter that keeps a family from spending the night in a cardboard box a public or private good?

That's a private good.

This is a public good:

In economics, a public good is a good that is both non-excludable and non-rivalrous in that individuals cannot be effectively excluded from use and where use by one individual does not reduce availability to others.[2] Gravelle and Rees: "The defining characteristic of a public good is that consumption of it by one individual does not actually or potentially reduce the amount available to be consumed by another individual".

Public goods include fresh air, knowledge, lighthouses, national security, flood control systems and street lighting
​

Street lighting is a very good example. When you benefit from street lighting you don't deprive me of that benefit. When a homeless person is put up in a shelter, he deprives me, you, or someone else, of the use of that bed. We don't privately consume street lighting but we privately consume shelter. No one can pay for their own private street lighting as they travel through a city with no street lighting, just like no one can pay for a private army to protect the US because they fear foreign invasion, but people can pay for private consumption of food, or shelter, of clothing.

Government's job is to provide public goods which cannot be provided privately. Your fire station example was good. If one homeowner is fearful of fire burning down his house, he is not able to build, staff, and equip a multimillion dollar fire department and keep it operating just to have it ready to fight a fire at his house. The public, in the form of government, pays for that fire house. On the other hand, it's well within the reach of homeowners to buy smoke detectors for their home, so the government has no business being involved in buying, installing and maintaining smoke detectors in people's homes. A smoke detector is a private good. When I buy a smoke detector for my house, my neighbor can't use that smoke detector.

The simple test to answer your question is that when a good/service provided by government benefits only the recipient and excludes others. Medical care is a private good - when you get your hemorrhoids operated on, only you benefit, so why are taxpayers on the hook for that operation? Same with homeless shelters. That's not government's business - stealing money from people and then spending it on private goods for strangers.

 

[Ellipsis]

Actually your legislative representatives gave that permission on your behalf, whether you agreed to it or not.

That's why it's theft.

That's simply the way it works and must work -- unless you propose to be an individual soverign nation.

No I support a consumption tax: 20% on everything you buy with no exceptions or exemptions.

 

[Ellipsis]

Who decides whether or not something is a public good? Is a shelter that keeps a family from spending the night in a cardboard box a public or private good?

Whenever the government wants to do something, it should send you a specific request for money to do that thing. You then decide if you want to send money or not.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Actually your legislative representatives gave that permission on your behalf, whether you agreed to it or not.

That's simply the way it works and must work -- unless you propose to be an individual soverign nation.

dear, there are supposed to severe constitutional limits on what permissions politicians can give.
We have a constitutional democracy not mob rule wherein a politican can order unlimited taxes or Jews into the gas chambers!

We have the Constitution on assumption that people will behave stupidly. Do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Whenever the government wants to do something, it should send you a specific request for money to do that thing. You then decide if you want to send money or not.

ah but that would give the people too much freedom so liberals would be 100% opposed!

 

[Pogo]

Actually your legislative representatives gave that permission on your behalf, whether you agreed to it or not.

That's simply the way it works and must work -- unless you propose to be an individual soverign nation.

dear, there are supposed to severe constitutional limits on what permissions politicians can give.
We have a constitutional democracy not mob rule wherein a politican can order unlimited taxes or Jews into the gas chambers!

We have the Constitution on assumption that people will behave stupidly. Do you understand?

Indeed. Thanks for the demo.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Actually your legislative representatives gave that permission on your behalf, whether you agreed to it or not.

That's simply the way it works and must work -- unless you propose to be an individual soverign nation.

dear, there are supposed to severe constitutional limits on what permissions politicians can give.
We have a constitutional democracy not mob rule wherein a politican can order unlimited taxes or Jews into the gas chambers!

We have the Constitution on assumption that people will behave stupidly. Do you understand?

Indeed. Thanks for the demo.

dear can you say what it is a demo of or must you admit you lack the IQ to defend what you say?