Let's take a look of what being gay can mean in Iran

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Incorrect, as there have been many examples of people engaing in homosexual affairs in their younger years, only to become involved in a heterosexual affair later on. A famous example is Ellen Degeneres' babe (what's her name?). I have witnessed several college friends who did the exact same thing.
Anne Heche? HAHAHAHA! I needed a damn good laugh. Thanks! Anne Heche doesn't know what the fuck she is. You can't even use her as an example.

And? People are at times experimenting. True attraction doesn't change and isn't a choice.
 
1.) Sorry to come off as rude, but I get annoyed by people who make assumptions on parenting without first know any of the facts, as you're still doing.

2.) I'm not talking about humans, I'm talking about other creatures within the kingdom animalia. Humans are more interactive with their children's upbringing and are therefore liable to screw up in raising a child. Animals don't so much as raise their young as they do instruct them in the ways of their specific species. Animals can't really screw up parenting unless you magically make them alcoholics or something.

1. Look, I grew up when that Dr. Spock book came out, and parents were told to let their kids do their own thing. My Mom tried it breifly, only to be nixed, thank God, by Dad. He belived that we were to be brought up like he was, which is how my siblings and I all were, all 5 of us. My parents have been married 51 years, the oldest child almost 30, the youngest 15. No divorces, and no gay grandkids. My Dad was right.

2. You were talking about a domestic dog, which is affected by humans. If you want to study animal behaivior then you need to go into the wild somewhere. Now you are just spinning your argument. Admit that you are wrong, that I am right, and move on. Or lose credibility.
 
1. Look, I grew up when that Dr. Spock book came out, and parents were told to let their kids do their own thing. My Mom tried it breifly, only to be nixed, thank God, by Dad. He belived that we were to be brought up like he was, which is how my siblings and I all were, all 5 of us. My parents have been married 51 years, the oldest child almost 30, the youngest 15. No divorces, and no gay grandkids. My Dad was right.

2. You were talking about a domestic dog, which is affected by humans. If you want to study animal behaivior then you need to go into the wild somewhere. Now you are just spinning your argument. Admit that you are wrong, that I am right, and move on. Or lose credibility.

Homosexuality occurs in the wild all the time. Remember the gay penguins at the Central Park Zoo?


By the by, studies have indicated that for women, it does appear to be a choice of sorts.... but that doesn't hold true for males.
 
1. Look, I grew up when that Dr. Spock book came out, and parents were told to let their kids do their own thing. My Mom tried it breifly, only to be nixed, thank God, by Dad. He belived that we were to be brought up like he was, which is how my siblings and I all were, all 5 of us. My parents have been married 51 years, the oldest child almost 30, the youngest 15. No divorces, and no gay grandkids. My Dad was right.

2. You were talking about a domestic dog, which is affected by humans. If you want to study animal behaivior then you need to go into the wild somewhere. Now you are just spinning your argument. Admit that you are wrong, that I am right, and move on. Or lose credibility.
1.) When you grew up. You're probably older than the person mentioned, and they probably had a different parenting style. And no gay grandkids you know of yet. It's not like homosexuality runs rampant everywhere.

2.) I'm not spinning anything. I had been talking about the domestic dog from the get-go.
 
1.) When you grew up. You're probably older than the person mentioned, and they probably had a different parenting style. And no gay grandkids you know of yet. It's not like homosexuality runs rampant everywhere.

2.) I'm not spinning anything. I had been talking about the domestic dog from the get-go.
1. You appear to be making my agument for me.
2. You are following the same train of logic evident in post 184.

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1. You appear to be making my agument for me.
2. You are following the same train of logic evident in post 184.

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1.) And? I never said it runs rampant in families or anything like that. There is a chance you do have a gay relative and just don't know it yet.

2.) Not at all. I specifcally talked about the domestic dog from the very first point I made.
 
You were the one opining that homosexuality had something to do with parenting, not I. I thought that was pretty goofy...

or are you saying that living in a zoo = parenting? lol..... know much about animals?
Re-read the first two lines of your post again. If I still then need to explain it to you, then ask Kagom.
 
1.) And? I never said it runs rampant in families or anything like that. There is a chance you do have a gay relative and just don't know it yet.

2.) Not at all. I specifcally talked about the domestic dog from the very first point I made.

1. I was opening up the parenting topic to more than just homosexuality. It's not the only trait in the basket, you know. And I assure you- no gay grandkids. We've got them all over the political spectrum, even a socialist and a anarchist, but no gays.

2. Do I have to be blunt? Domestic is not nature.
 
1. I was opening up the parenting topic to more than just homosexuality. It's not the only trait in the basket, you know. And I assure you- no gay grandkids. We've got them all over the political spectrum, even a socialist and a anarchist, but no gays.

2. Do I have to be blunt? Domestic is not nature.
1.) Oh, my bad. Sorry about that then.

2.) Then let's get together and do a study in the wild. Or just pay someone else to do it since we both have lives.
 
It's human nature ... to perpetuate the species.

Is it human nature to choose to not have children – to not perpetuate the species – as far as your genes are concerned? Then I guess that my wife and I are not being naturally consistent with human nature. I already argued this fallacy too. What is natural is not necessarily what is good or right. What is unnatural is not necessarily bad or wrong.
 
Marriage is a privledge. It has many tax benefits to promote people to have kids, because having kids is a burden and costly. A society needs to reproduce to remain.

One receives tax benefits by being single and having kids. Check out the tax rules.

So, why should a homosexual couple get the benefits of a marriage (tax breaks etc) that a single person shouldnt.?

(1.) Benefits of marriage for gays might include stability and a reduction in promiscuity. (2.) Ease of getting inheritance when a partner dies without a will. (3.) Also, keep in mind that a gay couple might choose to have a child (through adoption or through a surrogate parent) - (sperm bank for lesbians or a temporary womb for gays).

And dont give me that, "old people who cant have kids can marry, etc" I think you are too smart for that stupid kindergarten reply.

You gave me that point for me. It is a perfectly valid point. Anyway, even if a couple decides not to have children, marriage provides benefits via government taxes and such.
 
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