Lets all be honest with each other for once

[Tumbleweed]

Isn't it fair to say that we should start pulling all of our military out of Iraq at the earliest convenience?

We went, we saw, we lost a lot of young people.

A new government has been installed and instilled.

Saddam is dead.

Nothing much else to be gained.

Bring the boys and girls home.

 

[sitarro]

Isn't it fair to say that we should start pulling all of our military out of Iraq at the earliest convenience?

We went, we saw, we lost a lot of young people.

A new government has been installed and instilled.

Saddam is dead.

Nothing much else to be gained.

Bring the boys and girls home.

They aren't boys and girls, they are men and women that volunteered to join our armed forces and most would rather be there than anywhere else. Unlike you and many of others like you they understand the importance of the job they are doing and are all heroes as far as I'm concerned. They get the big picture and are fully aware of what a mistake it would be to act like a Democrat and run away. Poll them, see what they want to do. Stop speaking for them, you don't have a clue.

 

[eots]

911 was an inside job ,bush brought down the towers not bin laden
your country has been taken over by NOW criminals .there needs to be real investigations ,indictments justice

Steven E. Jones
A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11:
Reason, Publicity, and Reaction
by
Victoria Ashley

Version 1.0, Jan. 14, 2006

revision history
1/2/06: research publishes Version 0.9 of this essay
1/14/06: research publishes Version 1.0 of this essay



Introduction
This paper reviews and compares some of the initial media coverage and criticisms of BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones' research paper, Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? In his paper, Jones calls for an investigation of the World Trade Center skyscrapers' collapses that seriously considers the hypothesis of controlled demolition. The decision of a professor of science to come forward with such a proposal is unprecedented, as is the story's coverage by a mainstream news program on cable TV: MSNBC's Situation with Tucker Carlson. The closest precedent in the history of the 9/11 Truth Movement was the CSPAN-2 coverage of theology professor David Ray Griffin's speech, 9/11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?. Both Jones and Griffin have added considerable credibility to the independent investigation of 9/11 through their scholarly approaches. In particular, Steven Jones brings to bear his 20 years of experience and peer-reviewed research in the field of physics.

Interestingly, a number of well-funded and slick propaganda campaigns purporting to expose 9/11 truth have had little or no impact in mainstream venues (except to act as magnets for disparaging reviews). In contrast, Jones' simply crafted paper received a genuine and unbiased hearing from local media, and surprisingly respectful coverage on a mainstream cable program. Thus, Jones' efforts introduced credible challenges to the official story to large new audiences of critically thinking people.

Jones' work contrasts with the propagandistic productions which rely on theatrical antics, hip sound tracks, and sleights of hand. The style of such productions is mirrored in their content -- a mixture of sensational claims (pods, missiles and aircraft other than commercial jets impacting the buildings) mixed with real unanswered questions. Such unsupported claims, while designed to excite naive viewers, are inevitably debunked with time, and thus serve to inoculate the public against taking 9/11 truth efforts seriously.

The thesis of controlled demolition -- the focus of Jones' paper -- is a key component in exposing the truth of the 9/11 attacks since, unlike most of the other aspects of 9/11, one cannot suggest that a building demolition was a mistake or a surprise: someone had to have intentionally planned and executed it, by definition. Accepting the demolition thesis leads inescapably to the conclusion that the 9/11 events were orchestrated by people who had the access and means to rig the buildings -- i.e.: insiders. In this first paper by Jones, he does not claim to know who could have rigged the buildings, but limits his focus to the collapse events, end products, and critique of the official analyses.

In this paper I will review coverage by both mainstream print/TV news and Internet news sites. I will also examine some recent propagandistic productions in relation to Jones' work
nd justice

 

[SpidermanTuba]

They aren't boys and girls

Tell that to their parents. There are 19 year olds dying in Iraq - these are people we don't even trust to responsibly consume alcohol, and they are dying in iraq.

, they are men and women that volunteered to join our armed forces and most would rather be there than anywhere else.

Prove it.

Poll them, see what they want to do. Stop speaking for them, you don't have a clue.

Poll them? Since you seem to know so much about what they think on these issues, I was assuming such polls had already been completed.


1 out of the 3 iraq vets I know are against the war, one of them I'm not really sure what he thinks, and another one died in combat so I guess we'll never know.

Other than Iraq and Afghan vets, every single veteran that I know personally is against it.

 

[Annie]

911 was an inside job ,bush brought down the towers not bin laden
your country has been taken over by NOW criminals .there needs to be real investigations ,indictments justice

This was done ad nauseum for years. What is the point now?

 

[trobinett]

Spiderman posts:

Other than Iraq and Afghan vets, every single veteran that I know personally is against it.

To use your words sir, PROVE IT.

 

[manu1959]

911 was an inside job ,bush brought down the towers not bin laden

not possible

 

[sitarro]

911 was an inside job ,bush brought down the towers not bin laden
your country has been taken over by NOW criminals .there needs to be real investigations ,indictments justice

Steven E. Jones
A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11:
Reason, Publicity, and Reaction
by
Victoria Ashley

Version 1.0, Jan. 14, 2006

revision history
1/2/06: research publishes Version 0.9 of this essay
1/14/06: research publishes Version 1.0 of this essay



Introduction
This paper reviews and compares some of the initial media coverage and criticisms of BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones' research paper, Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? In his paper, Jones calls for an investigation of the World Trade Center skyscrapers' collapses that seriously considers the hypothesis of controlled demolition. The decision of a professor of science to come forward with such a proposal is unprecedented, as is the story's coverage by a mainstream news program on cable TV: MSNBC's Situation with Tucker Carlson. The closest precedent in the history of the 9/11 Truth Movement was the CSPAN-2 coverage of theology professor David Ray Griffin's speech, 9/11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?. Both Jones and Griffin have added considerable credibility to the independent investigation of 9/11 through their scholarly approaches. In particular, Steven Jones brings to bear his 20 years of experience and peer-reviewed research in the field of physics.

Interestingly, a number of well-funded and slick propaganda campaigns purporting to expose 9/11 truth have had little or no impact in mainstream venues (except to act as magnets for disparaging reviews). In contrast, Jones' simply crafted paper received a genuine and unbiased hearing from local media, and surprisingly respectful coverage on a mainstream cable program. Thus, Jones' efforts introduced credible challenges to the official story to large new audiences of critically thinking people.

Jones' work contrasts with the propagandistic productions which rely on theatrical antics, hip sound tracks, and sleights of hand. The style of such productions is mirrored in their content -- a mixture of sensational claims (pods, missiles and aircraft other than commercial jets impacting the buildings) mixed with real unanswered questions. Such unsupported claims, while designed to excite naive viewers, are inevitably debunked with time, and thus serve to inoculate the public against taking 9/11 truth efforts seriously.

The thesis of controlled demolition -- the focus of Jones' paper -- is a key component in exposing the truth of the 9/11 attacks since, unlike most of the other aspects of 9/11, one cannot suggest that a building demolition was a mistake or a surprise: someone had to have intentionally planned and executed it, by definition. Accepting the demolition thesis leads inescapably to the conclusion that the 9/11 events were orchestrated by people who had the access and means to rig the buildings -- i.e.: insiders. In this first paper by Jones, he does not claim to know who could have rigged the buildings, but limits his focus to the collapse events, end products, and critique of the official analyses.

In this paper I will review coverage by both mainstream print/TV news and Internet news sites. I will also examine some recent propagandistic productions in relation to Jones' work
nd justice

Please, more garbage from a media whore that obviously knows nothing about the architecture of those buildings. The way they collapsed makes perfect sense. You might try to find the Nova special called "Why Buildings Fall" if you are actually interested in learning something about truth.

 

[sitarro]

Tell that to their parents. There are 19 year olds dying in Iraq - these are people we don't even trust to responsibly consume alcohol, and they are dying in iraq.

Frat and sorority dorks who have nothing better to do than get drunk are kids, they aren't concerned about anything but themselves. When young people decide that there is something more important than themselves they become men and women, those are the men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their parents have nothing to say about it, they should be proud to know that their kids have grown up and made a decision that makes them a better person.

 

[eots]

Please, more garbage from a media whore that obviously knows nothing about the architecture of those buildings. The way they collapsed makes perfect sense. You might try to find the Nova special called "Why Buildings Fall" if you are actually interested in learning something about truth.

afraid not pal the nova documentary only makes it more apparent it was a controled demo none of the buildings they show that fell due to fires looked anything like a controled implsion with the building falling into its own foot print .not even close and no molten metal either ther are only 3 buildings in history to collapse due to fire alone the towers and wct 7
WhyDoubt 9/11? ( Russian translation )

The destruction of the South Tower (video)

ExpertsClaim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

"9/11Mysteries - Demolitions" (google video)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

Bush Admin Insider Says U.S. Government Behind 9/11

C-SPAN BOOK-TV: "9/11 and American Empire"
24-25 November 2006 broadcasts (google video)

NetherlandsTV 9/11 Coverage
1 September 2006, Twee Vandaag

The Era of9/11 Denial Is Over

David Ray Griffin in Washington, D.C. (video)

Third Tower Collapse

 

[Annie]

afraid not pal the nova documentary only makes it more apparent it was a controled demo none of the buildings they show that fell due to fires looked anything like a controled implsion with the building falling into its own foot print .not even close and no molten metal either ther are only 3 buildings in history to collapse due to fire alone the towers and wct 7
WhyDoubt 9/11? ( Russian translation )

The destruction of the South Tower (video)

ExpertsClaim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

"9/11Mysteries - Demolitions" (google video)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

Bush Admin Insider Says U.S. Government Behind 9/11

C-SPAN BOOK-TV: "9/11 and American Empire"
24-25 November 2006 broadcasts (google video)

NetherlandsTV 9/11 Coverage
1 September 2006, Twee Vandaag

The Era of9/11 Denial Is Over

David Ray Griffin in Washington, D.C. (video)

Third Tower Collapse

Really, there is no there, there. Then again, while not the grammar police, could you attempt a complete sentence or two?

 

[eots]

whatever it is content not format ,this is just away of trying to discredit truth over trivial matters and does not for one sec have any relevance to the fact America has been taken over by the skull and bones, the fact you can have two members of a secretive satanic cult being your two choices for president, rigged elections and that the country was lied into war

 

[Annie]

whatever it is content not format ,this is just away of trying to discredit truth over trivial matters and does not for one sec have any relevance to the fact America has been taken over by the skull and bones, the fact you can have two members of a secretive satanic cult being your two choices for president, rigged elections and that the country was lied into war

Well, considering it's nearly impossible to discern what you are ranting about, I'll respond in kind. LOL! and you have nothing? Real no brainer there.

 

[sitarro]

afraid not pal the nova documentary only makes it more apparent it was a controled demo none of the buildings they show that fell due to fires looked anything like a controled implsion with the building falling into its own foot print .not even close and no molten metal either ther are only 3 buildings in history to collapse due to fire alone the towers and wct 7
WhyDoubt 9/11? ( Russian translation )

The destruction of the South Tower (video)

ExpertsClaim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

"9/11Mysteries - Demolitions" (google video)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

Bush Admin Insider Says U.S. Government Behind 9/11

C-SPAN BOOK-TV: "9/11 and American Empire"
24-25 November 2006 broadcasts (google video)

NetherlandsTV 9/11 Coverage
1 September 2006, Twee Vandaag

The Era of9/11 Denial Is Over

David Ray Griffin in Washington, D.C. (video)

Third Tower Collapse

The World Trade Center Towers were unique. They weren't built like most buildings with 16 foot centered I beams throughout. Their structural members were the outer shell and the inner core with much lighter space frames hung between them. The architect explains the structural plans in the Nova special. Also, while the buildings were being built, asbestos was made illegal. The fire retardant sprayed on the very light spaceframe floor joists was inadequate for a fire such as the one created by a fully fueled Boeing 767. What little was sprayed on these small members was blown off with the incredible impact that took place when a wide body aircraft hit the building at speeds of over 500 miles an hour. The conspiracy theorist would like you to only pay attention to the heat produced by jet fuel and how it wouldn't melt heavy steel..... what about all of the other flammable items throughout the building like carpets, furniture, etc. etc. Steel doesn't need to melt to lose it's strength, there was a tremendous amount of weight above the open six floor deep wound created by the aircraft, it doesn't take a genius to fill in the rest.

Go to the airport and take a look at a 767, they are enormous. Add the speed of 500 miles an hour to the rediculous amount of weight and mass and it is amazing the buildings could take such a tremendous blow.

Never mind, you are going to believe whatever you want.... have fun in your ignorance.

 

[eots]

are you unaware of the fact bush and Kerry are skull and bones ? are you unaware of the Bohemian grove / are you unaware of the bush family's Nazi ties ? or are you just somehow alright with it all

the nobrainier is you , do you know the significance of the c.f.r
the bilderburgs .if not you should

 

[wiggles]

your country has been taken over by NOW criminals .

National Organization for Women?

 

[Annie]

are you unaware of the fact bush and Kerry are skull and bones ? are you unaware of the Bohemian grove / are you unaware of the bush family's Nazi ties ? or are you just somehow alright with it all

the nobrainier is you , do you know the significance of the c.f.r
the bilderburgs .if not you should

has what to do with what? They are both white, males, over 40, from privileged background. With one detail, fits Nancy Pelosi too, so your point?

 

[wiggles]

Isn't it fair to say that we should start pulling all of our military out of Iraq at the earliest convenience?

We went, we saw, we lost a lot of young people.

A new government has been installed and instilled.

Saddam is dead.

Nothing much else to be gained.

Bring the boys and girls home.

I'm not sure. I'd like for it to be over, but Iraq's still a mess as far as security and infrastructure. I don't see a light at the end of that tunnel though and it's frustrating.

 

[eots]

well except both skull and bones and bohemian grove are all male

my point is both bush and Kerry have sworn blood oaths not to America first but to skull and bones ,they claim to be Christians but attend pagan rituals at bohemian grove of course Nancy is part of the N.w.o gang or she wouldn't be there. thats the point
it is all controlled ,the elections are a sham ,the war on terror a lie

 

[Kagom]

not possible

As in it's not possible for Bush to physically walk to the towers and collapse them, yes. But it is possible for Bush to have been behind 9/11. But we know that's retarded.

Bin Laden did 9/11, so conspiracy theorists should shut the hell up.