Las Vegas shooting: Reports of shooter at Mandalay Bay Casino

[Muhammed]

Easy, Joe, find a way to treat the crazy person. Don't take away the rights of others because of them. Find a way to fix our flawed mental health system, don't take guns away from sane, innocent, law abiding gun owners.

Or we can just take away the guns, because there's no good reason for crazy or sane people to have them.

That's a lie. A real man recognises that he has moral obligation to protect his family.

 

[Eloy]

There are two elements in this: People and guns.
We can pretend that's not the case, we can stick to bumper sticker sloganeering, or we can be honest and look at the big picture.
And by the way, I don't see guns being "grabbed".
.

That's right. So why does the FIRST thing from your mouth have to always be about doing something about GUNS?

How about for once you consider doing something about dangerous criminals being let loose early, or prosecuting the PEOPLE who gave thousands of military weapons to the dangerous Mexican drug cartel?

Or how about we instead go after all the bleeding heart liberal judges giving people who do horrible things to others a mere slap on the wrist? How about going after an ex President who released thousands of dangerous criminals from prison for racist reasons?

You misquoted; I did not write those words.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Just read he had 10 rifles, not hand guns, rifles. Lawyers will be going after some of that $1 billion of that bottom line. Excuse me while I buy some leap puts on MGM Resorts.

It's too bad we can't sue the gun industry as easily.

IF that were allowed, I assure you the Auto Industry and hammer industry and knife industry would be next

Such a stupid argument. Cars are replete with safety features, many mandated by law. Roads have rules for safety and are patrolled by police. If guns were regulated as well there would be fewer problems.

 

[bodecea]

He was probably a white NRA member working on a castle doctrine case.

It doesn’t matter if the guy was a Republican or a Democrat. What he was was crazy and 50 of more people are dead regardless of which political party he may have belonged to. What needs to be done is something to try and prevent nut cases like him from getting their hands on military grade weapons.

Like laws keeping gun out of mentally unstable people? Laws which the NRA opposes.

Back a year or two ago the Republicans introduced a bill to greatly improve the reporting of the mentally ill and to incorporate that data into the NICS system but the Democrats voted it down with Cloture.

So that pretty well means that the Democrats are against keeping guns out of mentally unstable people, doesn't it?


Senate rejects gun control background check measures

Senate rejects gun control background check measures

But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.

His brother didn't think he was nuts. It sounds like the guy had a complete personality change in a very short time. (His brother lives in Florida, so obviously he didn't see him on a daily basis.)
The police had no history with the guy, except a citation from years prior. If they knew him, it wasn't things for which he had been arrested.
And I heard a female companion of his jumped on the stage and screamed "You are all going to die." But it wasn't his girlfriend--police say she was out of the country at the time. So was that a rumor that isn't true?

Tumor? Like the guy at UT in the 60s?

 

[Eloy]

Pray and spray is not accuracy... firearms do not kill people people kill people

Then you support people control over gun control?

Such as not allowing felons to buy guns?

Enforce current laws... New frivolous ones will not save a single soul

With current laws out country is filled with mass shootings, accidental shootings, cops killing people, people killing cops regularly...

This stuff is rare with gun control.

Na, current laws are not being enforced… Like criminal control.

What law should this guy have been picked up for violating?

Some Americans love the sound of a machine gun.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

NBC just played the video and it was automatic and not semi-automatic fire.

So if the gun was fully automatic then the individual needed a license to own one and if not then it was obtained illegally!

When you hear the video that was fully automatic!

The only other way it could have been modified and if so then he made the firearm illegal!

 

[bodecea]

Trump supporter?

How did you confirm he wasn't Muslim, with only a picture? You forgot to reply to your racist comment.

You don’t know what the word, “racist,” means, ya moron. He doesn’t look Muslim.

Remember this gem ya dumb *****? Care to share anymore of your worldly knowledge with us?

Islamic State takes credit for Las Vegas massacre — says attacker recently convert to Islam

I know it's too soon for firm evidence....but do you think that to be true? or the Islamic State trying to take some credit for something that had nothing to do with them in reality?

Fits the MO... Dan Bernardino, and Orlando...

Oklahoma City.....Sandy Hook....Charleston.....

 

[Flash]

He was probably a white NRA member working on a castle doctrine case.

It doesn’t matter if the guy was a Republican or a Democrat. What he was was crazy and 50 of more people are dead regardless of which political party he may have belonged to. What needs to be done is something to try and prevent nut cases like him from getting their hands on military grade weapons.

Like laws keeping gun out of mentally unstable people? Laws which the NRA opposes.

Back a year or two ago the Republicans introduced a bill to greatly improve the reporting of the mentally ill and to incorporate that data into the NICS system but the Democrats voted it down with Cloture.

So that pretty well means that the Democrats are against keeping guns out of mentally unstable people, doesn't it?


Senate rejects gun control background check measures

Senate rejects gun control background check measures

But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.

His brother didn't think he was nuts. It sounds like the guy had a complete personality change in a very short time. (His brother lives in Florida, so obviously he didn't see him on a daily basis.)
The police had no history with the guy, except a citation from years prior. If they knew him, it wasn't things for which he had been arrested.
And I heard a female companion of his jumped on the stage and screamed "You are all going to die." But it wasn't his girlfriend--police say she was out of the country at the time. So was that a rumor that isn't true?

We live in a country of 330 million people. Many are crazy. Many are assholes. Many have a hair up their ass for political reasons. Too many angry, mentally ill, encouraged people who are willing to kill and die.Too many religious fanatics, fundamentalists, wannabe revolutionaries, and political malcontents.

Shit happens.

Something made this asshole do a terrible thing. Just like something made other assholes do terrible things. Like that Black Lives Matter Negro that shot up the church last week or that Democrat shithead that shot up the Congressmen.

 

[MarkDuffy]

He was probably a white NRA member working on a castle doctrine case.

It doesn’t matter if the guy was a Republican or a Democrat. What he was was crazy and 50 of more people are dead regardless of which political party he may have belonged to. What needs to be done is something to try and prevent nut cases like him from getting their hands on military grade weapons.

Like laws keeping gun out of mentally unstable people? Laws which the NRA opposes.

Back a year or two ago the Republicans introduced a bill to greatly improve the reporting of the mentally ill and to incorporate that data into the NICS system but the Democrats voted it down with Cloture.

So that pretty well means that the Democrats are against keeping guns out of mentally unstable people, doesn't it?


Senate rejects gun control background check measures

Senate rejects gun control background check measures

But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.

So you post an article that doesn't prove your point?

The point is that Democrats opposed an improvement in the mental health accountability to the NICS system so don't blame the NRA.

Garbage. republican bills with cool names always have a poison segment that REMOVE gun control

Why?

The GOP is totally owned by the NRA who's only function is to sell more and bigger guns.

 

[Eloy]

This country's worst enemy is it's own federal government…

Gun loving unofficial militia members agree with you.

 

[Vastator]

Bernie Sanders supporter?

Trump supporter?

How did you confirm he wasn't Muslim, with only a picture? You forgot to reply to your racist comment.

You don’t know what the word, “racist,” means, ya moron. He doesn’t look Muslim.

Remember this gem ya dumb *****? Care to share anymore of your worldly knowledge with us?

Islamic State takes credit for Las Vegas massacre — says attacker recently convert to Islam

You poor dumbfuck. That hasn’t been confirmed. Just a few minutes ago, I saw another one of you cult members showing a tweet where Antifa claimed responsibility.

But keep your hopes and prayers alive

Someone's hoping, and praying... And it's not this guy. Don't worry. I'll never let you forget.

 

[boedicca]

Just read he had 10 rifles, not hand guns, rifles. Lawyers will be going after some of that $1 billion of that bottom line. Excuse me while I buy some leap puts on MGM Resorts.

It's too bad we can't sue the gun industry as easily.

IF that were allowed, I assure you the Auto Industry and hammer industry and knife industry would be next

Such a stupid argument. Cars are replete with safety features, many mandated by law. Roads have rules for safety and are patrolled by police. If guns were regulated as well there would be fewer problems.

Guns aren't regulated? Silly wabbit!

Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia

 

[Vastator]

You conveniently omit that Adam Lanza killed his mother and stole her guns but hey why be truthful.

As far as I know Lanza didn't buy any guns himself.

Adam Lanza was freak'n crazy and everyone knew it. Our laws do nothing to try to prevent crazy people from gaining access to guns with large firing capacity. Holmes was crazy, Loughner was crazy, the gunman at Virginia Tech was crazy....this guy in Vegas was probably crazy

We don't care...God forbid a crazy person be blocked from access the weapons of his choice

I read on Heavy.com that this guy has a pilots license and access to two planes. Take away the guns and he'd have flown a plane into 22,000 people. Or. Driven a truck though them...or who knows what. Blame the guy...don't use a maniac to push your anti-gun agenda.

Bull Shit

No reason this monster should have access to automatic weapons....None

No reason we should tolerate leftist ideology... Guns are protected by the Constitution. Leftist ideology isn't...

Machine guns are illegal, even republicans admit that

No they aren't...

 

[OldLady]

Nope. This guy used a machine gun to carry out his task. A Super Soaker probably wouldn't have cut it.
.

What kind of machine gun? .30 cal? .50? Foreign?

MG249?

Screws me. Listen to the tape, the shots were coming out extremely quickly, that's all I can tell you.
.

You can't hear any separation between the shots.
Just a lengthy burst and then a pause then another lengthy burst

Seems like he had multiple automatic rifles

Automatics are simple enough to trace from day one.They were either registered to the US Nazi regime, another nation or registered to a private owner and stolen( very doubtful) My guess is they were foreign.OR... Maybe the got them from the CIA deal in Mexico, Obamas pals. The girl DID say the people who warned them were short Latinos. It's not hard to make somebody do whatever you want. Old Colombian/CIA trick Female 'Devil's Breath' criminals are blowing drug powder in victim's faces | Daily Mail Online

He was probably a white NRA member working on a castle doctrine case.

It doesn’t matter if the guy was a Republican or a Democrat. What he was was crazy and 50 of more people are dead regardless of which political party he may have belonged to. What needs to be done is something to try and prevent nut cases like him from getting their hands on military grade weapons.

Like laws keeping gun out of mentally unstable people? Laws which the NRA opposes.

Back a year or two ago the Republicans introduced a bill to greatly improve the reporting of the mentally ill and to incorporate that data into the NICS system but the Democrats voted it down with Cloture.

So that pretty well means that the Democrats are against keeping guns out of mentally unstable people, doesn't it?


Senate rejects gun control background check measures

Senate rejects gun control background check measures

But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.

His brother didn't think he was nuts. It sounds like the guy had a complete personality change in a very short time. (His brother lives in Florida, so obviously he didn't see him on a daily basis.)
The police had no history with the guy, except a citation from years prior. If they knew him, it wasn't things for which he had been arrested.
And I heard a female companion of his jumped on the stage and screamed "You are all going to die." But it wasn't his girlfriend--police say she was out of the country at the time. So was that a rumor that isn't true?

I get the feeling that woman is an operative through and through.

Lots of ISIS in the Phillipines and she wasn't living with her husband. Marriage for citizenship, perhaps?

The complete personality change, a guy that age, maybe it WAS ISIS recruitment. Or he was going through plain old garden variety suicidal/homicidal rage. I'm going out and I'm taking as many people with me as I can. Didn't they say girlfriend was not living with him? 64, relationship washed up, not much hope of a redo on any front at our age. So it will be interesting to know what they come up with for motivation.
I don't recall many mass shootings that ISIS claimed responsibility for that weren't ISIS ideology related; can you?

 

[Eloy]

He was probably a white NRA member working on a castle doctrine case.

It doesn’t matter if the guy was a Republican or a Democrat. What he was was crazy and 50 of more people are dead regardless of which political party he may have belonged to. What needs to be done is something to try and prevent nut cases like him from getting their hands on military grade weapons.

Like laws keeping gun out of mentally unstable people? Laws which the NRA opposes.

Back a year or two ago the Republicans introduced a bill to greatly improve the reporting of the mentally ill and to incorporate that data into the NICS system but the Democrats voted it down with Cloture.

So that pretty well means that the Democrats are against keeping guns out of mentally unstable people, doesn't it?


Senate rejects gun control background check measures

Senate rejects gun control background check measures

But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.

His brother didn't think he was nuts. It sounds like the guy had a complete personality change in a very short time. (His brother lives in Florida, so obviously he didn't see him on a daily basis.)
The police had no history with the guy, except a citation from years prior. If they knew him, it wasn't things for which he had been arrested.
And I heard a female companion of his jumped on the stage and screamed "You are all going to die." But it wasn't his girlfriend--police say she was out of the country at the time. So was that a rumor that isn't true?

We live in a country of 330 million people. Many are crazy. Many are assholes. Many have a hair up their ass for political reasons. Too many angry, mentally ill, encouraged people who are willing to kill and die.Too many religious fanatics, fundamentalists, wannabe revolutionaries, and political malcontents. ...

All of them can get firearms in the USA.

 

[Vastator]

How did you confirm he wasn't Muslim, with only a picture? You forgot to reply to your racist comment.

You don’t know what the word, “racist,” means, ya moron. He doesn’t look Muslim.

Remember this gem ya dumb *****? Care to share anymore of your worldly knowledge with us?

Islamic State takes credit for Las Vegas massacre — says attacker recently convert to Islam

I know it's too soon for firm evidence....but do you think that to be true? or the Islamic State trying to take some credit for something that had nothing to do with them in reality?

Fits the MO... Dan Bernardino, and Orlando...

Oklahoma City.....Sandy Hook....Charleston.....

Indeed. Leftists...

 

[Faun]

It's proof that the killer is more likely to kill more people only because they are easily available.

Ten years ago I had about 25 firearms. Now I have 50 firearms.

So according to you I am now twice as likely to kill people than I was ten years ago??

Is that the convoluted way that you idiot Moon Bats think?

Based on the number of firearms you own? No.

Based on your mental instability? Yes.

LOL, you beat me to the punch due to a smoke break

It’s what most here are already thinking.

 

[Peach]

What kind of machine gun? .30 cal? .50? Foreign?

MG249?

Screws me. Listen to the tape, the shots were coming out extremely quickly, that's all I can tell you.
.

You can't hear any separation between the shots.
Just a lengthy burst and then a pause then another lengthy burst

Seems like he had multiple automatic rifles

Automatics are simple enough to trace from day one.They were either registered to the US Nazi regime, another nation or registered to a private owner and stolen( very doubtful) My guess is they were foreign.OR... Maybe the got them from the CIA deal in Mexico, Obamas pals. The girl DID say the people who warned them were short Latinos. It's not hard to make somebody do whatever you want. Old Colombian/CIA trick Female 'Devil's Breath' criminals are blowing drug powder in victim's faces | Daily Mail Online

It doesn’t matter if the guy was a Republican or a Democrat. What he was was crazy and 50 of more people are dead regardless of which political party he may have belonged to. What needs to be done is something to try and prevent nut cases like him from getting their hands on military grade weapons.

Like laws keeping gun out of mentally unstable people? Laws which the NRA opposes.

Back a year or two ago the Republicans introduced a bill to greatly improve the reporting of the mentally ill and to incorporate that data into the NICS system but the Democrats voted it down with Cloture.

So that pretty well means that the Democrats are against keeping guns out of mentally unstable people, doesn't it?


Senate rejects gun control background check measures

Senate rejects gun control background check measures

But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.

His brother didn't think he was nuts. It sounds like the guy had a complete personality change in a very short time. (His brother lives in Florida, so obviously he didn't see him on a daily basis.)
The police had no history with the guy, except a citation from years prior. If they knew him, it wasn't things for which he had been arrested.
And I heard a female companion of his jumped on the stage and screamed "You are all going to die." But it wasn't his girlfriend--police say she was out of the country at the time. So was that a rumor that isn't true?

I get the feeling that woman is an operative through and through.

Lots of ISIS in the Phillipines and she wasn't living with her husband. Marriage for citizenship, perhaps?

The complete personality change, a guy that age, maybe it WAS ISIS recruitment. Or he was going through plain old garden variety suicidal/homicidal rage. I'm going out and I'm taking as many people with me as I can. Didn't they say girlfriend was not living with him? 64, relationship washed up, not much hope of a redo on any front at our age. So it will be interesting to know what they come up with for motivation.
I don't recall many mass shootings that ISIS claimed responsibility for that weren't ISIS ideology related; can you?

The Newsweek article mentions false claims by ISIS, yes.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Okay. That would be the gun manufacturers of America, but I don't see that happening. Or are you talking about the trickle of guns that were used to try to catch gun runners?

So you're blaming GM because someone uses a car they manufactured, to plow into and kill others?

I could be snarky and say, "Let's start in USMB", but the fact is, those places were cruel and didn't do much to help the people in them.

So could I have been. Nice that you followed my lead and refrained.
As far as the Institutions, we have to consider the well being of society also...not just the patients.

Again, not seeing how any of these prevents a crazy person like the guy today from going on a mass shooting. It seems like you are trying to point to everything else in the room to deflect.

And you apparently have already decided that this guy has no criminal record or terrorist affiliations. Why not wait and see?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Just read he had 10 rifles, not hand guns, rifles. Lawyers will be going after some of that $1 billion of that bottom line. Excuse me while I buy some leap puts on MGM Resorts.

It's too bad we can't sue the gun industry as easily.

IF that were allowed, I assure you the Auto Industry and hammer industry and knife industry would be next

Such a stupid argument. Cars are replete with safety features, many mandated by law. Roads have rules for safety and are patrolled by police. If guns were regulated as well there would be fewer problems.

Guns aren't regulated? Silly wabbit!

Gun laws in the United States by state - Wikipedia

I can not believe that individual is still believing that guns are not regulated. I bet you the poster also believe cars are driven legally and never used in a illegal manner that causes deaths!?!