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[Papageorgio]

Oh god... Capitalism literally cannot sustain itself as time goes on, it's inevitable we progress towards socialism.

please list the successful socialist countries in the history of the world.

How are you defining success?

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Maybe their goal are the highest prices in the world.

 

[Marxist]

Oh god... Capitalism literally cannot sustain itself as time goes on, it's inevitable we progress towards socialism.

please list the successful socialist countries in the history of the world.

How are you defining success?

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Facts don't lie, the inflation sucks, but using it to judge an entire country? Idiot.

 

[Marxist]

please list the successful socialist countries in the history of the world.

How are you defining success?

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Maybe their goal are the highest prices in the world.

Another ignorant circle jerk against Venezuela.

 

[rightwinger]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

 

[Marxist]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

Quit scaring them man, facts are scary.

 

[BlackSand]

Driven by corporations moving there? Evidence please. I don't support the states either.

The corporations need to protect the resources they are using ... It is necessary for them to make the changes.
Almost every corporation of any decent size has adapted sustainability standards at the corporate level ... Some are better than others.
Regardless of where the production is manufactured ... To be sold in America it has to meet certain standards that are often associated with ISO standards.

The corporations apply those standards and they are not subject to nor developed by the state or government.
The states simply do not have the capital necessary to provide those protections ... At best, all they could ever do is say "no".
The technologies used to provide the protection are not developed nor employed by the state where they are used ... But by the corporations who already know the benefits of doing it correctly and maintaining sustainability.

Example: Tourist Industry - Scuba Diving
Protection Required: Measures to guard against the reef destruction in designated dive areas due to anchorage.

Protective Measures: Scientific and geological studies that provide the necessary foundation for deploying anchorage pylons.
After the necessary requirements and specifications are identified ... The businesses get together and set pylons in the sea floor near designated dive areas.
The pylons are set and marked with GPS locators for quick location since they are far enough below the surface to avoid collision with sea going vessels.
The Master Diver who is required to enter the water and inspect the area prior to any dive simply attaches the anchorage cable to the pylon.

Results: The pylons eliminate the need to use anchors and destroy the reef piece by piece.
All the materials required, studies conducted and final locations are developed, installed and shared by the businesses ... Not the state.
The pylons also offer additional support to reef structure in turbulent seas ... Not only protecting what is there, but establishing better conditions.

That is just an example ... One of many you could come across if you had any business sense or experience.

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

please list the successful socialist countries in the history of the world.

How are you defining success?

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Facts don't lie, the inflation sucks, but using it to judge an entire country? Idiot.

Rich people can protect themselves from inflation, poor people, not so much.
A country that can't even keep toilet paper in the stores is a failure.
Especially because Communists are so full of shit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

So low that a US company just bought a UK company, to save on taxes.

Pace Soars as Arris Agrees to 2.1 Billion Inversion Deal - Bloomberg Business

 

[Marxist]

Driven by corporations moving there? Evidence please. I don't support the states either.

The corporations need to protect the resources they are using ... It is necessary for them to make the changes.
Almost every corporation of any decent size has adapted sustainability standards at the corporate level ... Some are better than others.
Regardless of where the production is manufactured ... To be sold in America it has to meet certain standards that are often associated with ISO standards.

The corporations apply those standards and they are not subject to nor developed by the state or government.
The states simply do not have the capital necessary to provide those protection ... At best, all they could ever do is say "no".
The technologies used to provide the protection are not developed nor employed by the state where they are used ... But by the corporations who already know the benefits of doing it correctly and maintaining sustainability.

Example: Tourist Industry - Scuba Diving
Protection Required: Measures to guard against the reef destruction in designated dive areas due to anchorage.

Protective Measures: Scientific and geological studies that provide the necessary foundation for deploying anchorage pylons.
After the necessary requirements and specifications are identified ... The businesses get together and set pylons in the sea floor near designated dive areas.
The pylons are set and marked with GPS locators for quick location since they are far enough below the surface to avoid collision with sea going vessels.
The Master Diver who is required to enter the water and inspect the area prior to any dive simply attaches the anchorage cable to the pylon.

Results: The pylons eliminate the need to use anchors and destroy the reef piece by piece.
All the materials required, studies conducted and final locations are developed, installed and shared by the businesses ... Not the state.
The pylons also offer additional support to reef structure in turbulent seas ... Not only protecting what is there, but establishing better conditions.

That is just an example ... One of many you could come across if you had any business sense or experience.

.

Yeah, it's no question the regulations are laughable, along with the care for the environment, you can find some good examples in ******* scuba diving.. Come on man.

 

[Marxist]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

So low that a US company just bought a UK company, to save on taxes.

Pace Soars as Arris Agrees to 2.1 Billion Inversion Deal - Bloomberg Business

Ok? One business doing something doesn't change facts.

 

[Papageorgio]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

Quit scaring them man, facts are scary.

You sure seem to deflect them.

 

[Marxist]

How are you defining success?

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Facts don't lie, the inflation sucks, but using it to judge an entire country? Idiot.

Rich people can protect themselves from inflation, poor people, not so much.
A country that can't even keep toilet paper in the stores is a failure.
Especially because Communists are so full of shit.

The old toilet paper shit. Yeah, that sucks, but it doesn't change the facts of what Hugo did. Venezuela is socialist by claim anyways, not by actions. your stupidity is prevalent.

 

[Marxist]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

Quit scaring them man, facts are scary.

You sure seem to deflect them.

Really? How so? Show me these glorious facts. If it's about capitalism reducing poverty, it did at first. I agree. But then we have projections of the worlds poorest workers making a $1.25 a day In 100 years assuming nothing changes in terms of resources, etc.. Then we have the contradictions of capitalism..

 

[Iceweasel]

True...life is unfair no matter the system in effect.

However life becomes more and more unfair and unjust, when government becomes bigger and more powerful. This causes great dissatisfaction among the people and likely leads to bloodshed.

You think in absolutes. Eliminating government will lead to more bloodshed, not less. If someone wants your shit they'll just kill you and take it.

You must learn to think differently. In the 21st century, it is time to eliminate government. Government is an antiquated idea whose time has come for elimination. We need to evolve our thinking. Government is a 10k year old idea.

Government at it's essence, is force. It is power given to certain select people who will ultimately and always abuse it. When something is inherently morally wrong, one should terminate it entirely. You can't adjust it...modify it....change it....

We do not need government to protect us.

And the great countries in the world without governments are...? (apart from your childish wet dreams).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Friends husband was just laid off from job he has had for 11 years.IT/Computer etc. Outsourcing entire department to Philippines! Oh the wonderful joys of Capitalism. Bosses get richer,long term SKILLED employees get the shaft and slaves do work for pennies in Philippines....or should I say indentured servants.He is filing for unemployment but that's not the point...its wrong and should be stopped.

The USA has the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world. Was your friend a union member? Why is there no US tax penalty for sending jobs overseas?

How do you propose to stop outsourcing when its the only way some companies can survive?

Our effective corporate tax rate is still low

So low that a US company just bought a UK company, to save on taxes.

Pace Soars as Arris Agrees to 2.1 Billion Inversion Deal - Bloomberg Business

Ok? One business doing something doesn't change facts.

It shows that claim is silly.

 

[Papageorgio]

As if anyone gives a big enough **** about you to bother "keeping you down". Please.

Name me ANY group that socialism "brought out of extreme poverty". Name me a socialist country that has a healthcare system I'd allow to treat my dog, let alone my children.

For someone who keeps playing this misty, uber-vague "what is socialism?" game, you sure seem to know what it is when you're telling us - also vaguely - about how wonderful it is.

You can't have it both ways, Chuckles. You either know what it is, and therefore think it's marvelous, and therefore need to start providing some concrete examples of said marvelousness (marvelocity?), or you need us to clarify what socialism is for you, in which case you can't possibly know it's terrific, and should stop telling us so.

Capitalists love child labor, they loved relying on slavery, they hate labor organizers. History is a beautiful thing. Any group? Venezuela has reduced extreme poverty, increased education, healthcare, food distribution.. And these countries are just socialist by claim, not in practice. I know what socialism is, all we have are claimed socialist states that actually did improve life for the poor. I don't care what you think of Cuba or Venezuela, they have healthcare that works for their people, despite all the hardships they have faced.

Venezuela?

Human rights violations, adjusted GDP, 2% lower than in 1970, rioting in the streets, sounds like fun.

Venezuela What s the crisis about - CNN.com

How Bad Are Venezuela s Economic Problems - Forbes

Yeah, human rights violations occur in every country, it's typical of the capitalist media to only point out Venezuela as being bad In all ways. 2% Lower then in 1970? Oh wow. Ignore everything above about healthcare, education, the hardship faced in Venezuelans pasts.

The World Health Organization ranks Venezuela 57 in healthcare and is ranked 58 out of 128 in education. Both well behind most capitalist countries.

Anything else?

Look at venezuelas healthcare for the poor before Hugo, the rate of extreme poverty, rate of malnutrition.. It's a vast improvement by any means

It took 20 years to move malnutrition from 7.1 down to 3.7, in spite of record oil prices and billions upon billions coming in to the country for their oil. Most of the money stayed at the top with the elite few.

 

[Redfish]

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Facts don't lie, the inflation sucks, but using it to judge an entire country? Idiot.

Rich people can protect themselves from inflation, poor people, not so much.
A country that can't even keep toilet paper in the stores is a failure.
Especially because Communists are so full of shit.

The old toilet paper shit. Yeah, that sucks, but it doesn't change the facts of what Hugo did. Venezuela is socialist by claim anyways, not by actions. your stupidity is prevalent.

I did business with Venezuela before Chavez, if you think he helped the people you are hopelessly stupid.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't know how to define success? That's pathetic. No wonder you're confused enough to be a Marxist.

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Facts don't lie, the inflation sucks, but using it to judge an entire country? Idiot.

Rich people can protect themselves from inflation, poor people, not so much.
A country that can't even keep toilet paper in the stores is a failure.
Especially because Communists are so full of shit.

The old toilet paper shit. Yeah, that sucks, but it doesn't change the facts of what Hugo did. Venezuela is socialist by claim anyways, not by actions. your stupidity is prevalent.

Venezuela is socialist by claim anyways, not by actions.

That's a relief! If they were socialist by actions, things would be much worse.

 

[Marxist]

No, I'm sorry that you are stuck in your little world where you want to call "socialist countries" which are simply socialist by claim failures. Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Venezuela has Improved for the people under Hugo, Cuban healthcare and infant mortality..

Yeah, high inflation always helps the little people. LOL!

Facts don't lie, the inflation sucks, but using it to judge an entire country? Idiot.

Rich people can protect themselves from inflation, poor people, not so much.
A country that can't even keep toilet paper in the stores is a failure.
Especially because Communists are so full of shit.

The old toilet paper shit. Yeah, that sucks, but it doesn't change the facts of what Hugo did. Venezuela is socialist by claim anyways, not by actions. your stupidity is prevalent.

I did business with Venezuela before Chavez, if you think he helped the people you are hopelessly stupid.

Hugo legitimately helped people, quit denying reality.

 

[Redfish]

Capitalists love child labor, they loved relying on slavery, they hate labor organizers. History is a beautiful thing. Any group? Venezuela has reduced extreme poverty, increased education, healthcare, food distribution.. And these countries are just socialist by claim, not in practice. I know what socialism is, all we have are claimed socialist states that actually did improve life for the poor. I don't care what you think of Cuba or Venezuela, they have healthcare that works for their people, despite all the hardships they have faced.

Venezuela?

Human rights violations, adjusted GDP, 2% lower than in 1970, rioting in the streets, sounds like fun.

Venezuela What s the crisis about - CNN.com

How Bad Are Venezuela s Economic Problems - Forbes

Yeah, human rights violations occur in every country, it's typical of the capitalist media to only point out Venezuela as being bad In all ways. 2% Lower then in 1970? Oh wow. Ignore everything above about healthcare, education, the hardship faced in Venezuelans pasts.

The World Health Organization ranks Venezuela 57 in healthcare and is ranked 58 out of 128 in education. Both well behind most capitalist countries.

Anything else?

Look at venezuelas healthcare for the poor before Hugo, the rate of extreme poverty, rate of malnutrition.. It's a vast improvement by any means

It took 20 years to move malnutrition from 7.1 down to 3.7, in spite of record oil prices and billions upon billions coming in to the country for their oil. Most of the money stayed at the top with the elite few.

the top elite few are always the only ones who benefit in a socialist country, its amazing that the libs don't know that.