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[rightwinger]

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

Why do conservatives talk in absolutes?

You can't restrain the market at all without them claiming socialism
A totally unrestrained marketplace is anarchy

A totally unrestrained market is a free market.

A free market doesn't mean no legal system whatsoever. It simply refers to a system in which people are free to act (including engaging in exchange) so long as they don't trespass against the person or property of others. If you oppose a free market, then you oppose people being able to peacefully act as they wish.

Very open ended.

As soon as the government starts to enforce a "trespass" you guys start to scream

 

[Centinel]

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

Why do conservatives talk in absolutes?

You can't restrain the market at all without them claiming socialism
A totally unrestrained marketplace is anarchy

A totally unrestrained market is a free market.

A free market doesn't mean no legal system whatsoever. It simply refers to a system in which people are free to act (including engaging in exchange) so long as they don't trespass against the person or property of others. If you oppose a free market, then you oppose people being able to peacefully act as they wish.

Very open ended.

As soon as the government starts to enforce a "trespass" you guys start to scream

I'm not sure who you mean by "you guys". I'm just one poster. I have no mouse in my pocket.

As far as starting to scream goes, you'd have to give an example of a trespass that I would object to being legally actionable.

 

[Derideo_Te]

"free markets"? SHOW ME ONE. ANY ONE? EVER? LOL


MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES IS ALL!

Hm, so you're saying that the free market caused the 2008 financial collapse. And you're also saying that free market's don't exist.

I think you need to get your story straight.

I'm claiming Banksters drove the bubble, like they did with Ronnie's S&L crisis, AND the GOP great depression. What were the similarities with these 3 periods?

Hint the closest to laissez faire governance the US has had in 100+ years!

Okay, so thank you for conceding that these financial crises were *not* the result of a free market.

As we have observed, regulated financial markets result in financial collapse.

Well history says YOU are full of shit as the US was lightly regulated 1791-1913 and the US had a 2008 Bankster bubble every 5 years oin average somewhere in the US

Nope 2008 was a direct result of Banksters AND Dubya ignoring the bubble they created Bubba. Bad governance just like Ronnie AND Harding/Coolidge. Go figure!

Banks were regulated during this time period as well, which is what caused the bubbles to which you refer.

BZZZT Wrong!

The Wall Street Casino banks that were providing the funds for the subprime mortgages were unregulated.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh, and you failed to defend the feckless GOP's failed "free markets" dogma either.

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Those misnamed "free markets" cost hardworking Americans their jobs for the sake of profits for the Wall Street Casino Bosses. That is what is indefensible.

It sounds as if you are saying that people have some sort of right to a job, and that certain other people are responsible for providing these jobs. I wonder whether you feel that you yourself are also responsible for providing people with jobs.

The government has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a healthy workforce with jobs that will bring in a sustainable tax base to keep the nation prospering.

Sounds like you don't even know the basics.

 

[Centinel]

Hm, so you're saying that the free market caused the 2008 financial collapse. And you're also saying that free market's don't exist.

I think you need to get your story straight.

I'm claiming Banksters drove the bubble, like they did with Ronnie's S&L crisis, AND the GOP great depression. What were the similarities with these 3 periods?

Hint the closest to laissez faire governance the US has had in 100+ years!

Okay, so thank you for conceding that these financial crises were *not* the result of a free market.

As we have observed, regulated financial markets result in financial collapse.

Well history says YOU are full of shit as the US was lightly regulated 1791-1913 and the US had a 2008 Bankster bubble every 5 years oin average somewhere in the US

Nope 2008 was a direct result of Banksters AND Dubya ignoring the bubble they created Bubba. Bad governance just like Ronnie AND Harding/Coolidge. Go figure!

Banks were regulated during this time period as well, which is what caused the bubbles to which you refer.

BZZZT Wrong!

The Wall Street Casino banks that were providing the funds for the subprime mortgages were unregulated.

Banks were indeed regulated in 2008. And before. And after.

 

[Centinel]

Oh, and you failed to defend the feckless GOP's failed "free markets" dogma either.

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Those misnamed "free markets" cost hardworking Americans their jobs for the sake of profits for the Wall Street Casino Bosses. That is what is indefensible.

It sounds as if you are saying that people have some sort of right to a job, and that certain other people are responsible for providing these jobs. I wonder whether you feel that you yourself are also responsible for providing people with jobs.

The government has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a healthy workforce with jobs that will bring in a sustainable tax base to keep the nation prospering.

Sounds like you don't even know the basics.

So it sounds like you don't accept responsibility for employing others but you want others to be responsible for doing so.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh, and you failed to defend the feckless GOP's failed "free markets" dogma either.

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

The Founding Fathers included the concept of tariffs on imports in the Constitution in order to ensure that there would be equality in the markets.

The Libertarian GOP "free markets" are unbalanced which means that American workers have the "freedom" to starve without jobs.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh, and you failed to defend the feckless GOP's failed "free markets" dogma either.

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

The markets have nothing whatsoever to do with your freedom.

 

[rightwinger]

Oh, and you failed to defend the feckless GOP's failed "free markets" dogma either.

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Those misnamed "free markets" cost hardworking Americans their jobs for the sake of profits for the Wall Street Casino Bosses. That is what is indefensible.

It sounds as if you are saying that people have some sort of right to a job, and that certain other people are responsible for providing these jobs. I wonder whether you feel that you yourself are also responsible for providing people with jobs.

The government has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a healthy workforce with jobs that will bring in a sustainable tax base to keep the nation prospering.

Sounds like you don't even know the basics.

Government acts as a referee ensuring each side has an equal opportunity to score

Problem is, our "refs" have been calling them one way for decades. That is why the score is so lopsided

 

[Derideo_Te]

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

Why do conservatives talk in absolutes?

You can't restrain the market at all without them claiming socialism
A totally unrestrained marketplace is anarchy

A totally unrestrained market is a free market.

A free market doesn't mean no legal system whatsoever. It simply refers to a system in which people are free to act (including engaging in exchange) so long as they don't trespass against the person or property of others. If you oppose a free market, then you oppose people being able to peacefully act as they wish.

Your Libertarian Utopian "free market" doesn't work in reality.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I'm claiming Banksters drove the bubble, like they did with Ronnie's S&L crisis, AND the GOP great depression. What were the similarities with these 3 periods?

Hint the closest to laissez faire governance the US has had in 100+ years!

Okay, so thank you for conceding that these financial crises were *not* the result of a free market.

As we have observed, regulated financial markets result in financial collapse.

Well history says YOU are full of shit as the US was lightly regulated 1791-1913 and the US had a 2008 Bankster bubble every 5 years oin average somewhere in the US

Nope 2008 was a direct result of Banksters AND Dubya ignoring the bubble they created Bubba. Bad governance just like Ronnie AND Harding/Coolidge. Go figure!

Banks were regulated during this time period as well, which is what caused the bubbles to which you refer.

BZZZT Wrong!

The Wall Street Casino banks that were providing the funds for the subprime mortgages were unregulated.

Banks were indeed regulated in 2008. And before. And after.

Your ignorance is on display!

The repeal of Glass-Steagall deregulated the Wall Street Casino and enabled them to open "banks" that were not subject to the same regulations as normal banks. Those Wall Street Casino "banks" were responsible for flooding the market with subprime mortgages.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Oh, and you failed to defend the feckless GOP's failed "free markets" dogma either.

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Those misnamed "free markets" cost hardworking Americans their jobs for the sake of profits for the Wall Street Casino Bosses. That is what is indefensible.

It sounds as if you are saying that people have some sort of right to a job, and that certain other people are responsible for providing these jobs. I wonder whether you feel that you yourself are also responsible for providing people with jobs.

The government has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a healthy workforce with jobs that will bring in a sustainable tax base to keep the nation prospering.

Sounds like you don't even know the basics.

So it sounds like you don't accept responsibility for employing others but you want others to be responsible for doing so.

You have no clue how markets actually work, do you?

 

[Centinel]

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

The Founding Fathers included the concept of tariffs on imports in the Constitution in order to ensure that there would be equality in the markets.

The Libertarian GOP "free markets" are unbalanced which means that American workers have the "freedom" to starve without jobs.

They have the freedom to start their own business too.

 

[Centinel]

Okay, so thank you for conceding that these financial crises were *not* the result of a free market.

As we have observed, regulated financial markets result in financial collapse.

Well history says YOU are full of shit as the US was lightly regulated 1791-1913 and the US had a 2008 Bankster bubble every 5 years oin average somewhere in the US

Nope 2008 was a direct result of Banksters AND Dubya ignoring the bubble they created Bubba. Bad governance just like Ronnie AND Harding/Coolidge. Go figure!

Banks were regulated during this time period as well, which is what caused the bubbles to which you refer.

BZZZT Wrong!

The Wall Street Casino banks that were providing the funds for the subprime mortgages were unregulated.

Banks were indeed regulated in 2008. And before. And after.

Your ignorance is on display!

The repeal of Glass-Steagall deregulated the Wall Street Casino and enabled them to open "banks" that were not subject to the same regulations as normal banks. Those Wall Street Casino "banks" were responsible for flooding the market with subprime mortgages.

Still, those bank were not unregulated. They were highly regulated.

 

[Centinel]

I should not think that freedom required any defense.

Those misnamed "free markets" cost hardworking Americans their jobs for the sake of profits for the Wall Street Casino Bosses. That is what is indefensible.

It sounds as if you are saying that people have some sort of right to a job, and that certain other people are responsible for providing these jobs. I wonder whether you feel that you yourself are also responsible for providing people with jobs.

The government has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a healthy workforce with jobs that will bring in a sustainable tax base to keep the nation prospering.

Sounds like you don't even know the basics.

So it sounds like you don't accept responsibility for employing others but you want others to be responsible for doing so.

You have no clue how markets actually work, do you?

You are complaining that there are people without jobs, as if it is someone's responsibility to provide jobs. If we have a responsibility to provide jobs, I wonder whether you share your portion of this responsibility, or whether you shirk it and want someone else to pick up your slack.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

The Founding Fathers included the concept of tariffs on imports in the Constitution in order to ensure that there would be equality in the markets.

The Libertarian GOP "free markets" are unbalanced which means that American workers have the "freedom" to starve without jobs.

They have the freedom to start their own business too.

Thanks for proving that I am correct about you being clueless about how markets work in reality.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Well history says YOU are full of shit as the US was lightly regulated 1791-1913 and the US had a 2008 Bankster bubble every 5 years oin average somewhere in the US

Nope 2008 was a direct result of Banksters AND Dubya ignoring the bubble they created Bubba. Bad governance just like Ronnie AND Harding/Coolidge. Go figure!

Banks were regulated during this time period as well, which is what caused the bubbles to which you refer.

BZZZT Wrong!

The Wall Street Casino banks that were providing the funds for the subprime mortgages were unregulated.

Banks were indeed regulated in 2008. And before. And after.

Your ignorance is on display!

The repeal of Glass-Steagall deregulated the Wall Street Casino and enabled them to open "banks" that were not subject to the same regulations as normal banks. Those Wall Street Casino "banks" were responsible for flooding the market with subprime mortgages.

Still, those bank were not unregulated. They were highly regulated.

Prove it!

 

[Derideo_Te]

Those misnamed "free markets" cost hardworking Americans their jobs for the sake of profits for the Wall Street Casino Bosses. That is what is indefensible.

It sounds as if you are saying that people have some sort of right to a job, and that certain other people are responsible for providing these jobs. I wonder whether you feel that you yourself are also responsible for providing people with jobs.

The government has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a healthy workforce with jobs that will bring in a sustainable tax base to keep the nation prospering.

Sounds like you don't even know the basics.

So it sounds like you don't accept responsibility for employing others but you want others to be responsible for doing so.

You have no clue how markets actually work, do you?

You are complaining that there are people without jobs, as if it is someone's responsibility to provide jobs. If we have a responsibility to provide jobs, I wonder whether you share your portion of this responsibility, or whether you shirk it and want someone else to pick up your slack.

I am pointing out that the failed Libertarian "free markets" have cost this nation and hard working Americans millions of jobs.

I have pointed out that the government has both a responsibility and a duty to ensure that there are jobs for hardworking Americans so that this nation can prosper.

Your GOP "free market" policies have done serious harm to this nation and to millions of Americans.

That you haven't learned the lesson of your failures is your problem. The adults need to put back in charge so that this nation can get back to what it does best which is invest in the future of We the People instead of offshoring jobs to communist China.

Why do you believe that American jobs should be given to communist Chinese workers?

 

[rightwinger]

Don't understand the difference with free markets versus freedom, that right wing meme that means exactly what again? Oh right nothing but the rights desire to run roughshod WHILE not paying taxes!

If one opposes free markets then one opposes freedom.

Utter nonsense!

Freedom has nothing whatsoever to do with the GOP's "free markets" economic debacle.

You can't have a free market without freedom. If you want an unfree market then you have to take away people's freedom.

The Founding Fathers included the concept of tariffs on imports in the Constitution in order to ensure that there would be equality in the markets.

The Libertarian GOP "free markets" are unbalanced which means that American workers have the "freedom" to starve without jobs.

They have the freedom to start their own business too.

Not without Government protections

 

[Dad2three]

"free markets"? SHOW ME ONE. ANY ONE? EVER? LOL


MYTHS AND FAIRY TALES IS ALL!

Hm, so you're saying that the free market caused the 2008 financial collapse. And you're also saying that free market's don't exist.

I think you need to get your story straight.

I'm claiming Banksters drove the bubble, like they did with Ronnie's S&L crisis, AND the GOP great depression. What were the similarities with these 3 periods?

Hint the closest to laissez faire governance the US has had in 100+ years!

Okay, so thank you for conceding that these financial crises were *not* the result of a free market.

As we have observed, regulated financial markets result in financial collapse.

Well history says YOU are full of shit as the US was lightly regulated 1791-1913 and the US had a 2008 Bankster bubble every 5 years oin average somewhere in the US

Nope 2008 was a direct result of Banksters AND Dubya ignoring the bubble they created Bubba. Bad governance just like Ronnie AND Harding/Coolidge. Go figure!

Banks were regulated during this time period as well, which is what caused the bubbles to which you refer.

RIGHT WING NONSENSE


Fun With Predatory Lending


“There was always a big financial incentive to make a subprime loan wherever one could.”

-affadavit of Wells Fargo Loan officer

Fun With Predatory Lending The Big Picture

Scott Stern, CEO of Lenders One:


"The truth is that many of us in the industry were deeply distressed by the growing
practice of pushing high risk loans on borrowers who had no reasonable expectation of being able to repay the mortgage. Disclosures were often less than adequate, and faced with a bewildering array of loan terms, borrowers tended to trust their mortgage banker orbroker. The broken trust that resulted has damaged borrower confidence in the mortgage industry. I liken the situation to that of a doctor and patient dealing with a medical procedure. The patient bears some reasonable risk. But they don’t bear the risk of malpractice by the doctor. In our industry, we have frankly seen too much mortgage malpractice"


John Robbins, long-time industry executive and former chairman of
the Mortgage Bankers Association:


"During the lending boom, the industry developed products that were "extremely risky thatwere pushed by everybody up and down the food chain," Mr. Robbins said. "We forgot about our customers, and making money and our commission checks were more
important,"



"I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organisations, specifically banks and others, were such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms," said Allan Greenspan.



NOW IF YOU MEAN NOT HAVING REGULATORS ON THE BEAT WHO THOUGHT IT WAS GOV'T JOB TO OVERSEE THE BANKSTERS, AND THAT THE INVINCIBLE HAND WOULD SELF REGULATE, YES!