Zone1 Knowledge, the forbidden fruit

[ding]

That's just not good enough. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Exactly what extraordinary claims do you believe are being made?

 

[Arlette]

Exactly what extraordinary claims do you believe are being made?

The biblical creation story. Adam and Eve, the topic of this thread.

 

[ding]

The biblical creation story. Adam and Eve, the topic of this thread.

So you think it is an extraordainary claim to say the universe began and everything unfolded naturally from there?

Or that man knows right from wrong and when he violates it rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he just rationalizes he didn't violate it?

 

[Arlette]

So you think it is an extraordainary claim to say the universe began and everything unfolded naturally from there?

Or that man knows right from wrong and when he violates it rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he just rationalizes he didn't violate it?

I'm saying the biblical creation story is just that, a story. Nothing factual about it. Matter of fact I think that everything in the Bible is an insult to intelligence.

 

[ding]

I'm saying the biblical creation story is just that, a story. Nothing factual about it. Matter of fact I think that everything in the Bible is an insult to intelligence.

Sort of like the story about George Washing chopping down a cherry tree wasn't factual but an allegorical account to demonstrate his honesty and integrity which was factual?

My point here is that this is how information was passed down in ancient times.... orally... through stories. They made them entertaining so they could be more easily remembered and more easily able to pass down.

It seems to me you are letting the embellishment get in the way of discovering what the true intent of these accounts were.

 

[Arlette]

Sort of like the story about George Washing chopping down a cherry tree wasn't factual but an allegorical account to demonstrate his honesty and integrity which was factual?

My point here is that this is how information was passed down in ancient times.... orally... through stories. They made them entertaining so they could be more easily remembered and more easily able to pass down.

It seems to me you are letting the embellishment get in the way of discovering what the true intent of these accounts were.

But what about the dictum that every word in the Bible is God breathed or divinely inspired?

 

[ding]

But what about the dictum that every word in the Bible is God breathed or divinely inspired?

I didn't attend Westboro Baptist church so I'm not obligated to be mindless. That would be just as bad as what you are doing which is to reject it all.

 

[ding]

But what about the dictum that every word in the Bible is God breathed or divinely inspired?

Here's what I believe. Technically the word of God is anything which is true because God is truth, as God is every extant attribute of reality. In other words, it doesn't necessarily have to be written in the bible to be the word of God. It only has to be the truth.

God didn't write the bible. Fallible men wrote the bible. Fallible men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit which used their fallibility to write these accounts in certain ways for certain purposes known only to the infallible Holy Spirit.

To understand a passage, chapter or book out one must know the literary style being employed, the context and the main point being conveyed. Then it's not that difficult to identify embellishment used to make the account more memorable which is usually making the account more dramatic and amazing. Like George Washington chopping down the cherry tree which wasn't really the point of the story.

 

[BreezeWood]

Such as man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

no, they do not know - they learn - and the aproximity is what is judge for losers - for who triumphs their judgement will lead to their admission to the everlasting - or whatever happens to who would triumph contrary to the heavenly blessings.

what a&e were told when given a sack lunch and sent on their way for their journey - and self determination.

 

[ding]

no, they do not know - they learn - and the aproximity is what is judge for losers - for who triumphs their judgement will lead to their admission to the everlasting - or whatever happens to who would triumph contrary to the heavenly blessings.

what a&e were told when given a sack lunch and sent on their way for their journey - and self determination.

Man is born with an innate sense of right and wrong.

 

[BreezeWood]

Man is born with an innate sense of right and wrong.

that is true ...

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

for all living beings ... to evolve their understanding correctly to know for themselves what only they were given temporarily at birth so as for that to never be taken from them - - the goal of the tyrant - bing.

 

[ding]

that is true ...



for all living beings ... to evolve their understanding correctly to know for themselves what only they were given temporarily at birth so as for that to never be taken from them - - the goal of the tyrant - bing.

You should put that on a fortune cookie.

 

[Leo123]

Maybe the tree is symbolic of the knowledge of carnal desires. Adam ate Eve's 'apple?'

 

[presonorek]

really, what in the desert religions is not written by moses in the desert religions documents concerning humanities initial destiny - the motivation of a&e ... rather the true origin representing self determination, liberation theology than servitude to a fictitious god. a serpent.

Do you have any background in Zoroastrianism?

 

[presonorek]

I answered this a long time ago:
For the newbies I'll repeat it.
The center of the garden where the 2 rivers meet was ancient Persia where Zoroastrian and Mithraism was popular and brought to Rome through head soldier Lucius, the Nazarenes admit they took much from Zoroastrianism (says the apochrypha)
This converging and compiling mythologies and cultures is warned because it mixes both knowledge that is good (Torah) and doctrines that are evil (pagan mythologies and Egyptian underworld & Greek death cultism). When they eat of this and have the knowledge they will become like us means they will become like the hosts (kohanim/priests) who is the context of the "US" spoken of. They will become like G-d means they will take this forbidden compilation and make themselves a false temple and false hierarchy of hosts (cardinals and Bishops liken to US the Kohanim) and the Pope (liken to the head priest)makes himself as a G-d just as the bible in Genesis did warn. Rome was famous for stealing people's deities by conquering them, telling them their deity no longer favored them, then set up a temple for that deity in their own territory claiming to be the new authority including setting up new books and new false doctrines. This is what they did with the deity Juno and what they did in destroying the Jerusalem Temple with stealing YHWH, claiming he was now in disfavor with the Jews they fooled people into believing they were now the authority and temple.They thus made themselves the new (impostor) Hosts and Pope set up as the new (impostor) father in heaven.
You see Adam in Hebrew the word means man and represents man in the deeper sense. EVE is not Adam's (man's) first wife (Israel or Jerusalem Temple-Lilith), thus Eve is the next bride (representing the church)thus the serpent (false prophet) convinced Eve to eat from his tree that she would not die (the created character Jesus himself said such words)and Eve (church) convinced Adam (Man) to also stray and what fruit did they partake of, an APPLE? But Apples aren't indigenous and the fruit is not mentioned in the bible??Surely mankind has subconsciously revealed this forbidden fruit as 'A PAUL' who wrote 1/2-3/4 the NT and thus his forbidden fruit is revealed-it mixes knowledge that is both good and helpful and bad and harmful, hence the warning using the term "wormwood" a Bitter poisonous deadly herb. People were made bitter & mean and poisonous -deadly (over 50 million murders & thousands of wars) over this good word-knowledge that is both good and evil.

Thank you for sharing this — it was extremely informative and eye-opening. The way you traced the spiritual and historical convergence from Zoroastrianism through Rome and into early Church structure really helped clarify a lot of complex themes that are often overlooked or simplified. I especially appreciated how you connected symbolic elements like the "apple" to Paul’s teachings, and the metaphor of “wormwood” as a warning about hybrid knowledge. Your breakdown of the priesthood analogy and Rome’s spiritual colonization was both provocative and deeply helpful for understanding the roots of religious power dynamics. This gave me a lot to think about — and re-think. Truly valuable insight.

 

[HaShev]

Thank you for sharing this — it was extremely informative and eye-opening. The way you traced the spiritual and historical convergence from Zoroastrianism through Rome and into early Church structure really helped clarify a lot of complex themes that are often overlooked or simplified. I especially appreciated how you connected symbolic elements like the "apple" to Paul’s teachings, and the metaphor of “wormwood” as a warning about hybrid knowledge. Your breakdown of the priesthood analogy and Rome’s spiritual colonization was both provocative and deeply helpful for understanding the roots of religious power dynamics. This gave me a lot to think about — and re-think. Truly valuable insight.

Thanks, the revolters against Rome gave us clues through symbolism, so that the authority would not know they were being spoken of. THE scarlet devil is a symbolism of 2 horns (powers) the political masked behind the religious authority, red representing Romes color, like of their army. Hebrews 2:13 or 14 states the devil (Rome's dual authority) is the power of death and destruction.
By hiding it's political authority under the guise of religious authority they could now
" set foot in kingdoms it did not belong" without insurrection and could collect taxes in the guise of tithes to their gods without the tax revolts.
Today's secular globalist version is to mask it's kingdom invasion and tax collecting under the guise and mask of the global warming- climate change movement.

 

[hobelim]

Hebrews 2:13 or 14 states the devil (Rome's dual authority) is the power of death and destruction.

"The power of death" that Rome, the scarlet beast, has used for millennia is the power of death consequent to defying Divine Law, a curse, the loss of the soul, sanity. Get someone on their knees to worship a trinity and celebrate human sacrifice and Abracadabra! Presto mundo! Billions of demonically possessed puppets. Golems.

 

[HaShev]

"The power of death" that Rome, the scarlet beast, has used for millennia is the power of death consequent to defying Divine Law, a curse, the loss of the soul, sanity. Get someone on their knees to worship a trinity and celebrate human sacrifice and Abracadabra! Presto mundo! Billions of demonically possessed puppets. Golems.

Now we see what they influenced and caused, but back then they probably were just referring to their army and maybe their debauchery and it's long term affects in killing off societies.