Kid Looks Like A Genius With 8 + 5 Doesn’t Add Up To 10

[martybegan]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

Keep thinking that the next time you drive over a bridge, or fly on an airplane.

 

[rightwinger]

...if you read the "teacher's" writing on the kid's paper, what she said is perfectly clear. ...

Apparently not. In order to make the teacher's math work, we'd have to interpret "take 2 from 5" as 5-3, as in: take 2 apples from the group of 5 apples and place them in a different group of 8 apples to create a group of 10 apples. The teacher's semantics were anything but clear.

It is hard to tell without knowing the full context of the exercise

Like most things that cause conservative outrage in this country, we only see one question and that ONE question is used as justification to condemn ALL of Common Core

I would have to know what the lesson plan the kids were being taught, what specific skills they were trying to teach and what other questions and classroom exercises covered that material

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

 

[rightwinger]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

Keep thinking that the next time you drive over a bridge, or fly on an airplane.

Sometimes you need a precise calculation, other times a rough estimation is just as good

I was in Home Depot last weekend and needed to figure if I needed one or two bags of lawn fertilizer. I knew the rough dimensions of my property and about how much was taken up by the house and driveway. I figured I had "about" 12,000 sq feet to fertilize and needed two bags.

I did not need to go home and measure exactly how much grass I have

 

[boedicca]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

That's a different kind of problem involving logic.

Math is math, and should be taught as such. Unless, of course, the entire purpose is to teach mental tricks in order to help kids guess the correct answer on prefab standardized tests without learning anything rigorous that will enable them to have a decent career later in life.

 

[martybegan]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

Keep thinking that the next time you drive over a bridge, or fly on an airplane.

Sometimes you need a precise calculation, other times a rough estimation is just as good

I was in Home Depot last weekend and needed to figure if I needed one or two bags of lawn fertilizer. I knew the rough dimensions of my property and about how much was taken up by the house and driveway. I figured I had "about" 12,000 sq feet to fertilize and needed two bags.

I did not need to go home and measure exactly how much grass I have

So being lazy is now a virtue? marking off your lawn would have taken all of 10 minutes, using the "foot" method. You would have KNOWN how many bags you needed, as opposed to guessing.

 

[boedicca]

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

Wow. This is an awesome answer...and so surprising coming from you.

 

[martybegan]

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

Wow. This is an awesome answer...and so surprising coming from you.

Actually I see it as more of a program to make parents feel stupid, and unable to help their kids with their homework.

 

[boedicca]

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

Wow. This is an awesome answer...and so surprising coming from you.

Actually I see it as more of a program to make parents feel stupid, and unable to help their kids with their homework.

Marginalizing parents and building dependence on the state are typical of socialism.

 

[R.D.]

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

Wow. This is an awesome answer...and so surprising coming from you.

Actually I see it as more of a program to make parents feel stupid, and unable to help their kids with their homework.

I can see that point of view. My take is it's a tactic of trying to make teacher relevant again, so making parents clueless makes sense. It also puts Homeschooling in a pinch if these foolish methods are made standard

 

[rightwinger]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

That's a different kind of problem involving logic.

Math is math, and should be taught as such. Unless, of course, the entire purpose is to teach mental tricks in order to help kids guess the correct answer on prefab standardized tests without learning anything rigorous that will enable them to have a decent career later in life.

When it comes to math, mental tricks are often a useful tool. You don't always have a calculator or precise measuring tools. You go to a store and pick out eight items. You figure those items will come to "about" $16 and the $20 you have in your wallet is enough to pay for it. You do not need to calculate that it will come to $16.38 after tax.

 

[rightwinger]

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

Wow. This is an awesome answer...and so surprising coming from you.

Everything I know about common core I learned from Interweb Message Boards

 

[boedicca]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

That's a different kind of problem involving logic.

Math is math, and should be taught as such. Unless, of course, the entire purpose is to teach mental tricks in order to help kids guess the correct answer on prefab standardized tests without learning anything rigorous that will enable them to have a decent career later in life.

When it comes to math, mental tricks are often a useful tool. You don't always have a calculator or precise measuring tools. You go to a store and pick out eight items. You figure those items will come to "about" $16 and the $20 you have in your wallet is enough to pay for it. You do not need to calculate that it will come to $16.38 after tax.

As much as I appreciate being able to figure out what I can afford based on the money in my wallet, that is a life skill that should be taught by parents (and perhaps in school). But it's not the same as rigorous math needed for engineering etc.

 

[boedicca]

(raises hand from the back) What's common core?

Common Core is a liberal education system that is being used to indoctrinate our children into a socialist society where they are not taught basic skills and are forced to learn about homosexuality, bizarre sexual practices and freeloading off of those who work

Wow. This is an awesome answer...and so surprising coming from you.

Everything I know about common core I learned from Interweb Message Boards

Too bad you don't leverage the knowledge here to upgrade your understanding of economics and politics as well.

 

[Yarddog]

Kid Looks Like a Genius with Matter-of-Fact Retort Why Common Core Math Problem 8 5 Doesn 8217 t Add Up

So who’s right? The educators who insist on making the fundamentals of mathematics as complex as a Rubik’s cube, or the kid who probably has secret access to his mom’s old flashcards and sees this as a foolish waste of time?


Then add 3?!?!?

GRRRRRR the teacher must be an X IRS employee. What morons.

 

[Capstone]

Wrong they were perfectly clear. Your problem is you are trying to read a sentence out of context, then blaming the writer and teacher for your mistake.

I think you're conflating 'context' with 'clarity'.

The context is clear; the verbal portion of the teacher's response to the kid's answer is ambiguous (read: unclear), forcing the reader to appeal to the non-verbal portion of the response in order to interpret "it" correctly.

 

[rightwinger]

All the conservatards raging in this thread are hilarious.

"BAWWW, Y R U TEECHING KIDS A DIFFRENT WAY 2 APPROACH A PROLLEM? STICK W/ TRADITION U FASCIST"

Enlightened progressives like mysylf recognize the need for innovation in problem solving, and are constantly coming up with new ways to solve problems.

You conservatards can have fun doing things "just the way they've always been done." The civilized world won't miss you luddites.

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

That's a different kind of problem involving logic.

Math is math, and should be taught as such. Unless, of course, the entire purpose is to teach mental tricks in order to help kids guess the correct answer on prefab standardized tests without learning anything rigorous that will enable them to have a decent career later in life.

When it comes to math, mental tricks are often a useful tool. You don't always have a calculator or precise measuring tools. You go to a store and pick out eight items. You figure those items will come to "about" $16 and the $20 you have in your wallet is enough to pay for it. You do not need to calculate that it will come to $16.38 after tax.

As much as I appreciate being able to figure out what I can afford based on the money in my wallet, that is a life skill that should be taught by parents (and perhaps in school). But it's not the same as rigorous math needed for engineering etc.

I disagree

I think that estimating, using math to think on your feet and using the level of complexity a problem requires are essential math skills and more valuable to most people than learning Calculus

 

[Mr. H.]

The problem should read "Tell how to make 10 WHILE adding 8+5".

Why are we fucking with kids' heads like this?

 

[Yarddog]

The problem should read "Tell how to make 10 WHILE adding 8+5".

Why are we fucking with kids' heads like this?

They're so hell bent on deviating from traditional education, that they're just making it up as they go along

 

[boedicca]

It's not a different way to approach a "problem". It's fake math that pins the bogometer.

8+5=13

Anyone who cares about engineering, science, accounting and the like knows that Precision Matters.

Fuzzy math is for fuzzy thinking.

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

That's a different kind of problem involving logic.

Math is math, and should be taught as such. Unless, of course, the entire purpose is to teach mental tricks in order to help kids guess the correct answer on prefab standardized tests without learning anything rigorous that will enable them to have a decent career later in life.

When it comes to math, mental tricks are often a useful tool. You don't always have a calculator or precise measuring tools. You go to a store and pick out eight items. You figure those items will come to "about" $16 and the $20 you have in your wallet is enough to pay for it. You do not need to calculate that it will come to $16.38 after tax.

As much as I appreciate being able to figure out what I can afford based on the money in my wallet, that is a life skill that should be taught by parents (and perhaps in school). But it's not the same as rigorous math needed for engineering etc.

I disagree

I think that estimating, using math to think on your feet and using the level of complexity a problem requires are essential math skills and more valuable to most people than learning Calculus

Forcing kids to think that 8+5=10 is not "thinking on your feet..blah blah blah". It's crap.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, in real life, precision does not always matter

Most decisions come down to ....Is Option A better than Option B?

Rather than coming to a precise analysis, most decisions can be made by ballpark estimation where it is clear that Option A is clearly the better choice

That's a different kind of problem involving logic.

Math is math, and should be taught as such. Unless, of course, the entire purpose is to teach mental tricks in order to help kids guess the correct answer on prefab standardized tests without learning anything rigorous that will enable them to have a decent career later in life.

When it comes to math, mental tricks are often a useful tool. You don't always have a calculator or precise measuring tools. You go to a store and pick out eight items. You figure those items will come to "about" $16 and the $20 you have in your wallet is enough to pay for it. You do not need to calculate that it will come to $16.38 after tax.

As much as I appreciate being able to figure out what I can afford based on the money in my wallet, that is a life skill that should be taught by parents (and perhaps in school). But it's not the same as rigorous math needed for engineering etc.

I disagree

I think that estimating, using math to think on your feet and using the level of complexity a problem requires are essential math skills and more valuable to most people than learning Calculus

Forcing kids to think that 8+5=10 is not "thinking on your feet..blah blah blah". It's crap.

Without knowing the purpose of the exercise or the skills they are trying to teach, it is hard to draw a conclusion . I am sure that students learning common core do not come out believing that 8 + 5 = 10

That is the problem with rightwing hysteria. They give you one example, totally out of context and then use it as a justification to condemn all of common core