You're a piece of British shit, an outdated relic of the degenerate tyranny that we Americans rejected in order to found our country.
You have no say, and no standing, with regard to how we run our country, and you certainly do not get to set the rules by which any discussion is to be had.
We've seen where your idea of a “civilised society” leads, and we want no part of it.
Go fuck yourself.
See, you can't discuss guns. You deflect from the subject every time. Have a thread on Rights, have a thread on Independence War. They're separate issues but your brain is programmed back to them.
So put rights and wars to one side, let's discuss the concealment of guns in public, the unsafe habit of not having them secured at home, and even the type of gun (does society really have a need for certain types)?
And no, guns are not banned in the UK or Australia, or New Zealand, we take guns seriously, and that is what we default to (their type, size, features, security and well being of mind). Whether you're law abiding or a criminal, you get seriously fined and jailed for breaching gun laws if caught.
Emphasizing that criminals have guns is on statistical par with rape and abortion, as in, a fucking tiny percentage.
And your mentality, and your mentality alone, keeps gun incidents in America high. Try to claim guns save lives, home protection, bla bla etc.. is utter bollocks, it's simply, "We like guns". We like guns too in other parts of the world, but we're not fucking anal like you.