Justice Dept.: Missouri governor can't void federal gun laws

[C_Clayton_Jones]

the only way to change or repeal the 2nd is with an amendment that directly does that and the 14th doesnt mention the 2nd,,

No one said it did.

In Barron v. Baltimore (1833) the Supreme Court held that the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal government, not the states and local jurisdictions – including the Second Amendment.

Residents of the states could not bring suit in Federal court to challenge the constitutionality of a state’s firearm regulatory measure on Second Amendment grounds.

With the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, pursuant to substantive due process, the Supreme Court began to incorporate (apply) portions of the Bill of Rights to the states and local jurisdictions.

When the Second Amendment was incorporated in 2010, residents of the states could file suit in Federal court to challenge the constitutionality of state firearm regulatory measures on Second Amendment grounds.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If California can void immigration laws.

This is a lie.

California is not ‘voiding’ Federal immigration laws.

Federal immigration laws are in full force in California and being enforced by Federal authorities.

It’s perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional for state and local officials to not enforce Federal immigration laws.

Likewise, Missouri cannot ‘void’ Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Federal firearm regulatory measures are in full force in Missouri and will continue to be enforced by Federal authorities.

It’s perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional for state and local officials to not enforce Federal firearm regulatory measures.

 

[struth]

Maybe the Xiden admin should get up on the law…the feds can’t force the state to enforce federal laws…that includes state and local police

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

youre dodging again,,

show your proof or stop pushing what you know at this point is a lie,,

thanks for your opinion,, but what we are looking for is proof,,

Proof:

“The incorporation doctrine is a constitutional doctrine through which the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution (known as the Bill of Rights) are made applicable to the states through the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Incorporation applies both substantively and procedurally. Prior to the doctrine's (and the Fourteenth Amendment's) existence, the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal Government and to federal court cases. States and state courts could choose to adopt similar laws, but were under no obligation to do so.”

incorporation doctrine

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Wrong.
The constitution clearly divides jurisdiction, and states are absolutely supreme in some areas, while feds supreme in others.
For example, congress shall make no law establishing religion, while state not only are free to do so, but Pennsylvania and Connecticut had legislated state religions at the time, and still did for years after signing the Constitution.

At least you’re consistent at being wrong:

“Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions. It prohibits states from interfering with the federal government's exercise of its constitutional powers, and from assuming any functions that are exclusively entrusted to the federal government. It does not, however, allow the federal government to review or veto state laws before they take effect.”

Supremacy Clause

See [wex:Preemption]; [[wex:constitutional_clauses|constitutional clauses]].

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Missouri_Mike]

A ridiculous lie contrived by conservatives.

You’re fucking retarded. Democrats across the country in all levels of government calling for defunding the police, reallocation of their funds, reimagining the police with less funding. And you come here with this horse shit? Fuck off moron. You even had democrat cities actually defund the police, they fucking did it, and now crime is out of control. And you come in here calling it a lie? You retarded fuck.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Agreed.
There are federal firearm laws, but there should not be and its worth fighting over.
If we need another civil war, then so be it.
There can't be any federal firearm laws allowed.
Once there are federal firearm laws, then it is just a slow process of time before we live in a total dictatorship.

Wrong.

The Federal government has the authority to enact firearm regulatory measures provided those measures are consistent with Second Amendment case law.

 

[maybelooking]

"Sanctuary cities" have been instructing their police to ignore federal immigration law for years, so you can fuck right off with that bullshit.

end thread.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

foxnews.com
conservativebookclub.com

lol

 

[progressive hunter]

Proof:

“The incorporation doctrine is a constitutional doctrine through which the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution (known as the Bill of Rights) are made applicable to the states through the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Incorporation applies both substantively and procedurally. Prior to the doctrine's (and the Fourteenth Amendment's) existence, the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal Government and to federal court cases. States and state courts could choose to adopt similar laws, but were under no obligation to do so.”

incorporation doctrine

www.law.cornell.edu

you progs have been usurping the constitution for a long time havent you??

sorry an unlawful decision is just that and its every person duty to resist and ignore it,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong.

The Federal government has the authority to enact firearm regulatory measures provided those measures are consistent with Second Amendment case law.

case law doesnt apply to the constitution,,

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You’re fucking retarded. Democrats across the country in all levels of government calling for defunding the police, reallocation of their funds, reimagining the police with less funding. And you come here with this horse shit? Fuck off moron. You even had democrat cities actually defund the police, they fucking did it, and now crime is out of control. And you come in here calling it a lie? You retarded fuck.

Are all conservatives truly this ignorant concerning these fundamental facts concerning the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment or is this willful ignorance on the part of the dishonest right concerning these fundamental facts concerning the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment

 

[progressive hunter]

Are all conservatives truly this ignorant concerning these fundamental facts concerning the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment or is this willful ignorance on the part of the dishonest right concerning these fundamental facts concerning the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment

simple fact is only a constitutional amendment can change the constitution,, not case law or some fake doctrine,,,

so maybe its you thats ignorant not others,,

 

[buckeye45_73]

This is a lie.

Democrats do not ‘ignore’ Federal immigration laws.

Again, elected officials at the state and local level cannot be compelled by the Federal government to enforce Federal laws – whether they’re Democrats or Republicans.

yeah they do, they are called sanctuary cities..........they are law enforcement.......key word is law.....oh wait there are two the other key word.....enforcement
They are in the country illegaly.......so anything after that doesnt matter......

 

[buckeye45_73]

Are all conservatives truly this ignorant concerning these fundamental facts concerning the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment or is this willful ignorance on the part of the dishonest right concerning these fundamental facts concerning the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment

Uh a lefty lecturing on the constitution a document lefties revile with a passion........and who use the courts to get around it all the time......except they don't have the Supreme Court now......uh oh.......there is a reason they get really really pissed about it......60 years of control.....no more

 

[Missourian]

the federal government. But a $50,000 fine for those who do is where their argument broke.

Quick question... From where do State, County and local police departments derive their authority?

 

[jknowgood]

This is a lie.

California is not ‘voiding’ Federal immigration laws.

Federal immigration laws are in full force in California and being enforced by Federal authorities.

It’s perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional for state and local officials to not enforce Federal immigration laws.

Likewise, Missouri cannot ‘void’ Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Federal firearm regulatory measures are in full force in Missouri and will continue to be enforced by Federal authorities.

It’s perfectly appropriate, lawful, and Constitutional for state and local officials to not enforce Federal firearm regulatory measures.

San Francisco proves you wrong.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That's strange, states can void federal marijuana laws

Pick and choose I guess

 

[FA_Q2]

Stupid Republicans think the bill of rights are limits on government power when clearly they are actually powers of government. Can't they read?

LOL, you're a tool

The really sad part is this is exactly how the left sees the second, as a power granted to the federal government.

It takes extreme mental gymnastics to get there.

 

[FA_Q2]

Really? How do you explain state legalization of marijuana?

/end thread