Judge orders books removed from Texas public libraries due to LGBTQ and racial content must be returned

[Jessica-stormlover]

Banning books is fundamentally neo-fascist and authoritarian – the desire to compel conformity and silence dissent.

The First Amendment prohibits government from prohibiting free speech and expression because of its content.

There is no justification to ban books or remove them from a public venue because of their content, as conservatives seek to do.

Conservativism and religious fundies have always been anti-freedom and control freaks. This is the nature of the beast. These people are sick and nuts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservativism and religious fundies have always been anti-freedom and control freaks. This is the nature of the beast. These people are sick and nuts.

They’re also ignorant and frightened – an unwarranted fear of diversity, inclusion, and expressions of individual liberty; so much so that they seek to use the authority of the state to ban and remove the facts and truth they fear in violation of the First Amendment.

 

[Curried Goats]

He had an affair with his sister-in-law. If the affair began in Paris, she was a free woman and not a slave.

She was a teenager and any decision she made was under duress since he still owned the rest of her family back in America. Only her and her brother traveled to Paris. Happy to see it didn't take long however for me to manuever you into being the one defending grooming and child sex. Just more evidence I'm the Master Debator.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Sounds like more grooming, porno & ped materials the lefties love to give to kids.

Is that what you're celebrating here, the deviant sexualization of our children?

You and US District Judge Robert Pitman are fascsits.

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All of the points are examples of Trumpism.

 

[Magnus]

I bought the Rush Limbaugh book The way things ought to be. I thought it was an interesting read on society if a little more conservative than I personally believed.

Liberals were chided, mocked, and even vilified for trying to restrict access to this book. Let me rephrase that. Liberals were properly chided, mocked and vilified.

I bought the book because I wondered what was so bad about it. If the Liberals had shut up I probably never would have bought or read it. I listened to Limbaugh on occasion.

I read a lot of books for that reason. Fahrenheit 451 as one more example. I didn’t think it was all that good. But I’ve read good and bad books. I’ve read these books not because someone said I should. I read a lot of books for that reason. But because they said nobody should.

The Right and Left argue with equal passion, and they’re both wrong. They don’t know what is best. They don’t know what we should, or shouldn’t read.

The Taliban leaders. The Mullahs who decide what is happening for and to others. They are lauded for never reading anything but the Koran.

I’m a truth whore. I’ll take truth from any source. If I read a book that I think is terrible, but it has a single grain of truth in it, I walk away a better person.

I read Marx in school. It was bullshit. I can explain why if you want. I read the Little Red Book from Mao. They should have left Marx alone. Marx alone was bad enough, it didn’t need the help.

I told the wife not long ago. I think everyone should read Mein Kampf. One time only. So you can see the pattern of lies and flawed thinking from pseudo intellectuals.

Books are not dangerous. Books are not subversive. They aren’t going to turn your grand kids gay just by touching the cover. Reading it isn’t going to make you or anyone homosexual or transsexual. At most, it might help someone understand a single small truth about themselves or the world.

Ideals are not dangerous. It is the fear of ideals that presents a greater danger. It is that fear of ideals that presents the greatest danger to society.

LOL You fell for that marketing hype from Limbaugh, eh?

I think you are old enough for me to let you in on a secret. No one...literally no one ever banned Limbaugh or any of the other right-wing books.

That was just a way for you idiots to think it was so hot that libs were scared of it. We weren't. It was the same bs over and over again. "Libs were evil and Conservatives were wonderful" pablum pedaled by every single right-wing nut job that could get a publisher to print their tripe.

But, I do have to hand it to Limbaugh, he was the first to start this hype that his books were being "hidden" by store clerks, etc. As if, store clerks making minimum wages could care less about right-wing or left-wing claptrap. Since then every single right-wing author peddles the same shit.

But hey, it pushed you to buy his books. Guess, mission accomplished.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

NOT in France. Everyone of the Hemings family were free people in France. James was free when Jefferson paid for James to attend culinary school in Paris. Did James welcome the bonds of slavery when he returned to be head chef at the White House? He had been free for several years by this time, living on Thomas Jefferson's dime.

Uh-huh. He did not serve as head chef at the White House--although he was offered a job~

James Hemings - Wikipedia

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James Hemings (1765–1801) was the first American to train as a chef in France. He was Mulatto and born into slavery in Virginia in 1765. At eight years old, he was enslaved by Thomas Jefferson at his residence of Monticello.
He was an older brother of Sally Hemings and a half-sibling of Jefferson's wife Martha Jefferson. Martha, Sally, and James all shared John Wayles as father. It was said that Wayles had taken James's mother, who was his helper, as his mistress. Being his slave, she could not consent to such a relationship, and thus the term mistress may be misleading.[1] As a young man, Hemings was selected by Jefferson to accompany him to Paris when the latter was appointed Minister to France. There, Hemings was trained to be a French chef; independently, he took lessons to learn how to speak the French language. Hemings is credited with bringing many French cooking styles to colonial America, and developing new recipes inspired by French cuisine. This includes crème brulée and meringues, but most famously, Hemings is credited with the introduction of macaroni and cheese to America.[2]
He returned to the United States with Jefferson, likely because of kinship ties with his large Hemings family at Monticello. Jefferson continued to pay Hemings wages as his chef when he worked for Jefferson in Philadelphia. Hemings negotiated with Jefferson for his freedom, which he gained in 1796, after training his brother Peter for three years to replace him as chef.

In 1801, Jefferson offered Hemings a position at the White House, which Hemings declined, as he felt he could not immediately leave his position in Baltimore. When Jefferson inquired a second time, Hemings responded through an intermediary, Francis Sayes, who had worked with Hemings when they were in New York and in Philadelphia. Sayes reported, "I have spoke to James according to your Desire he has made mention again as he did before that he was willing to serve you before any other man in the Union but sence he understands that he would have to be among strange servants he would be very much obliged to you if you would send him a few lines of engagement and on what conditions and what wages you would please to give him with your own hand wreiting." Jefferson did not write Hemings, reasoning that he did not want to "urge him against inclination."[22] Hemings later returned briefly to Monticello, working for a month and a half in the kitchen and earning thirty dollars before leaving. Later, while employed as a cook in a tavern in Baltimore, he died by suicide, at age 36.[23][24]

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Uh-huh. He did not serve as head chef at the White House--although he was offered a job~

James Hemings - Wikipedia

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James Hemings (1765–1801) was the first American to train as a chef in France. He was Mulatto and born into slavery in Virginia in 1765. At eight years old, he was enslaved by Thomas Jefferson at his residence of Monticello.
He was an older brother of Sally Hemings and a half-sibling of Jefferson's wife Martha Jefferson. Martha, Sally, and James all shared John Wayles as father. It was said that Wayles had taken James's mother, who was his helper, as his mistress. Being his slave, she could not consent to such a relationship, and thus the term mistress may be misleading.[1] As a young man, Hemings was selected by Jefferson to accompany him to Paris when the latter was appointed Minister to France. There, Hemings was trained to be a French chef; independently, he took lessons to learn how to speak the French language. Hemings is credited with bringing many French cooking styles to colonial America, and developing new recipes inspired by French cuisine. This includes crème brulée and meringues, but most famously, Hemings is credited with the introduction of macaroni and cheese to America.[2]
He returned to the United States with Jefferson, likely because of kinship ties with his large Hemings family at Monticello. Jefferson continued to pay Hemings wages as his chef when he worked for Jefferson in Philadelphia. Hemings negotiated with Jefferson for his freedom, which he gained in 1796, after training his brother Peter for three years to replace him as chef.

In 1801, Jefferson offered Hemings a position at the White House, which Hemings declined, as he felt he could not immediately leave his position in Baltimore. When Jefferson inquired a second time, Hemings responded through an intermediary, Francis Sayes, who had worked with Hemings when they were in New York and in Philadelphia. Sayes reported, "I have spoke to James according to your Desire he has made mention again as he did before that he was willing to serve you before any other man in the Union but sence he understands that he would have to be among strange servants he would be very much obliged to you if you would send him a few lines of engagement and on what conditions and what wages you would please to give him with your own hand wreiting." Jefferson did not write Hemings, reasoning that he did not want to "urge him against inclination."[22] Hemings later returned briefly to Monticello, working for a month and a half in the kitchen and earning thirty dollars before leaving. Later, while employed as a cook in a tavern in Baltimore, he died by suicide, at age 36.[23][24]

Some slave James was, declining the master's orders.

Evidently there are differences of opinions because there are some who say that James was chef at the White House and first served macaroni and cheese at a white house state dinner.

Jefferson paid James wages? A salary? To a slave?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Some slave James was, declining the master's orders.

Evidently there are differences of opinions because there are some who say that James was chef at the White House and first served macaroni and cheese at a white house state dinner.

Jefferson paid James wages? A salary? To a slave?

Hemings negotiated with Jefferson for his freedom, which he gained in 1796, after training his brother Peter for three years to replace him as chef.

I imagine he paid in Paris...to keep his property from running. When James declined the White House gig, he was no longer a slave..and you can tell by his reluctance--was concerned not to step back into the role.

many slaves were paid some sort of wage~

 

[EvilCat Breath]

She was a teenager and any decision she made was under duress since he still owned the rest of her family back in America. Only her and her brother traveled to Paris. Happy to see it didn't take long however for me to manuever you into being the one defending grooming and child sex. Just more evidence I'm the Master Debator.

In the 1700s 14 isn't child sex it's marrying age. There was no problem with James staying in France though.

You are a mastur bater. No one would argue that point.

 

[Curried Goats]

In the 1700s 14 isn't child sex it's marrying age. There was no problem with James staying in France though.

You are a mastur bater. No one would argue that point.

Look at you defending grooming. Not cosplay grooming where stunted Jesus freaks think reading books will turn you gay but actual grooming.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Look at you defending grooming.

...and rape. A slave cannot say no...and Sally was a slave..and his wife's half-sister..just ..ewwwww~

Jefferson held his own children as slaves. The fact that he may have freed some of them later excuses none of his actions.

 

[whitehall]

The Bill of Rights works both ways. American parents cannot be forced into agreeing to access to filthy books directed at their kids. Parents still run the schools and judges do not.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I imagine he paid in Paris...to keep his property from running. When James declined the White House gig, he was no longer a slave..and you can tell by his reluctance--was concerned not to step back into the role.

many slaves were paid some sort of wage~

How was James no longer a slave? Did he have papers of manumission? Was there some sort of common law end to slavery when James returned to Virginia. Apparently, no one paid the slightest attention to the "slave status " of the Hemings family. James and Peter opened their own brewery. Peter made furniture and had his own shop in Charlottesville. Robert got a well paying job as valet. Only hot head Martin kept getting into trouble. Jefferson threatened to sell Martin and told him to choose another Master. Martin refused and died still part of the Jefferson household.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

...and rape. A slave cannot say no...and Sally was a slave..and his wife's half-sister..just ..ewwwww~

Jefferson held his own children as slaves. The fact that he may have freed some of them later excuses none of his actions.

Jefferson gave the two oldest girls, Beverly and Harriet each $50.00 (something over a $1,000) and sent them north. He said they ran away but never reported them.

Thomas Jefferson was a really bad slaveholder. One of the benefits of being a slave in the Jefferson household was that you wouldn't be a slave anywhere else.

 

[SavannahMann]

I would agree with most of that... for adults.
Absolutely never for kids & there is no middle ground here when it comes to pornographic crap.
Providing access to grooming, porn & pedo materials to children is both illegal & immoral & harms impressionable children.
If I had ever caught someone providing these types of perv propaganda to my kids they would've ended up in a hospital at the very least.

I'll never understand people that want to virtue signal about providing young kids with adult materials on sexual deviancies.
Maybe it's a pederast thing?

Nonsense. The supposed book of morals, the Bible is full of pornography. We teach our children that if they rape a woman who is a virgin that they have to pay 50 Sheckles and marry the woman. If they are caught.

I could go on from the Book of Deuteronomy. Instead let’s turn to Shakespeare. I read him in Grade School. The plays of Romeo and Juliette, Hamlet, and even Midsummer. I read Caesar.

We were not inspired to commit suicide, murder, or drugs from that.

You read Shakespeare to learn how to decode the language. It is why you read poetry.

It helps you better understand the Bible. So you can better understand the parables.

You all aren’t worried that if someone reads those books that they’ll think that all of that is OK. If you’ve done your job as parents the child will understand. You’re worried that the books might teach the kid empathy for people who are different.

I wish you guys would make up your minds. One one hand you want to tie the hands of teachers and librarians preventing them from saying anything that the most radical might object to. You accuse them of being Groomers and Pedophiles. But at the same time you want them carrying guns around your kids. You don’t want them doing the job they have been trained for. But you do want them doing a job they haven’t.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Look at you defending grooming. Not cosplay grooming where stunted Jesus freaks think reading books will turn you gay but actual grooming.

You're playing with yourself right now aren't you?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

How was James no longer a slave? Did he have papers of manumission? Was there some sort of common law end to slavery when James returned to Virginia. Apparently, no one paid the slightest attention to the "slave status " of the Hemings family. James and Peter opened their own brewery. Peter made furniture and had his own shop in Charlottesville. Robert got a well paying job as valet. Only hot head Martin kept getting into trouble. Jefferson threatened to sell Martin and told him to choose another Master. Martin refused and died still part of the Jefferson household.

Yes..in fact he DID have letters of Manumission--I guess you not reading the links eh? There is letter from Jefferson outlining his deal with James.

 

[whitehall]

There is no 1st Amendment issue inherent in the access to porn in school libraries. Judges don't dictate what kids learn, parents do through their elected representatives and their school boards.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

These people are sick and nuts.

Says a mentally- and morally-fucked-up freak that doesn't even know the difference between boys and girls, and thinks he's a girl.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

‘Seven residents sued county officials in April 2022, claiming their First and 14th Amendment rights were violated when books deemed inappropriate by some people in the community and Republican lawmakers were removed from public libraries or access was restricted.

The lawsuit filed in the US District Court for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio claimed county officials removed books from the shelves of the three-branch public library system “because they disagree with the ideas within them” and terminated access to thousands of digital books because they could not ban two specific titles.

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The library system also is required to reflect these books as available in their catalog and cannot remove any books for any reason while the case is ongoing, US District Judge Robert Pitman said in his order.

“Although libraries are afforded great discretion for their selection and acquisition decisions, the First Amendment prohibits the removal of books from libraries based on either viewpoint or content discrimination,” Pitman said.’

Judge orders books removed from Texas public libraries due to LGBTQ and racial content must be returned within 24 hours | CNN

A federal judge in Texas ruled that at least 12 books removed from public libraries by Llano County officials, many because of their LGBTQ and racial content, must be placed back onto shelves within 24 hours, according to an order filed Thursday.

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Very good.

This is a victory for the First Amendment and the right to freedom of expression; it is a defeat for neo-fascist authoritarianism.

The fact you got wet over it is telling