John Kasich Will Sign Bill To Defund Planned Parenthood In His State

[OldLady]

The $500 or so poor women are paying for an abortion already might as well be $5 million for some.

Something they should think about BEFORE they have sex without using birth control. Pro-choice means making a choice to be careless, and expecting others to be FORCED to pay for the consequences.

But abortions are not paid for with your taxes. No one expects you to pay for it--unless you mean the woman doesn't have the abortion and ends up on several benefits programs once the baby is born.

 

[BlueGin]

I have never seen a bill from PP to any insurance provider for mammograms or any non abortion womens health issue.

Must not happen very often.

I think you are confusing breast cancer screening with mammogram, they are not the same thing. Breast cancer screening includes patient history, physical exam, and breast manipulation (checking of lumps), and can include mammograms which are most commonly done by referral to a place: (a) with the expensive physical equipment, and (b) with the staff to use the equipment and a radiologist that is qualified to interpret the results.


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True. But I was so referring to the rolling mammogram busses that hospitals have on site but PP does not.

Same thing. You have to have the bus, you have to have the equipment, you need the trained staff to run it, and you have to have a radiologist to interpret the results. There is an economy of scale of which a hospital can take advantage.

Fro a small neighborhood clinic that serves the poor, referrals are more economically feasible.


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Of which planned Parenthood doesn't have. Hint... They borrow ours.

How about we just cut out the middleman?

 

[Steven_R]

Apples and oranges

No. Exactly the same.

We don't need abortions for the survival of our country. Quite the opposite.

Sorry, you don't get to use a logical fallacy and then say it isn't one.

We need a healthy country to survive. Does that justify universal tax payer funded healthcare?

Our country has not only survived for well over two centuries, but thrived and rose to the top without it.

Nice try. Your orange is rotten.

So we don't need healthy people, we need troops scattered all over the world and 5000 nuclear weapons.

Goddam you're retarded.

Outside of abortions for issues involving birth defects or risks to the mother's life, what part of the process is a health issue? And that's really the problem people have with PP getting public funding: abortion.

Want an abortion? Pay for it with your own money and stop asking for taxpayers to foot the bill.

 

[xotoxi]

Ohio should learn from Texas's decision to defund.

Medicaid-paid births up in Texas since defunding Planned Parenthood

 

[Steven_R]

The $500 or so poor women are paying for an abortion already might as well be $5 million for some.

Something they should think about BEFORE they have sex without using birth control. Pro-choice means making a choice to be careless, and expecting others to be FORCED to pay for the consequences.

But abortions are not paid for with your taxes. No one expects you to pay for it--unless you mean the woman doesn't have the abortion and ends up on several benefits programs once the baby is born.

If only there was a fool-proof way to not get pregnant, something like not having sex if one can't afford the financial consequences of kids.

 

[Steven_R]

The Republican war on women is sad to watch. When will it end?

It's a war on women to say "if you want an abortion, feel free, but don't expect the taxpayer to write the check"?

 

[rightwinger]

No. Exactly the same.

We don't need abortions for the survival of our country. Quite the opposite.

Sorry, you don't get to use a logical fallacy and then say it isn't one.

We need a healthy country to survive. Does that justify universal tax payer funded healthcare?

Our country has not only survived for well over two centuries, but thrived and rose to the top without it.

Nice try. Your orange is rotten.

So we don't need healthy people, we need troops scattered all over the world and 5000 nuclear weapons.

Goddam you're retarded.

Outside of abortions for issues involving birth defects or risks to the mother's life, what part of the process is a health issue? And that's really the problem people have with PP getting public funding: abortion.

Want an abortion? Pay for it with your own money and stop asking for taxpayers to foot the bill.

For the one millionth time.......taxpayers do not pay for abortions

 

[Lakhota]

The Republican war on women is sad to watch. When will it end?

It's a war on women to say "if you want an abortion, feel free, but don't expect the taxpayer to write the check"?

Who writes the check?

 

[WorldWatcher]

I have never seen a bill from PP to any insurance provider for mammograms or any non abortion womens health issue.

Must not happen very often.

I think you are confusing breast cancer screening with mammogram, they are not the same thing. Breast cancer screening includes patient history, physical exam, and breast manipulation (checking of lumps), and can include mammograms which are most commonly done by referral to a place: (a) with the expensive physical equipment, and (b) with the staff to use the equipment and a radiologist that is qualified to interpret the results.


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True. But I was so referring to the rolling mammogram busses that hospitals have on site but PP does not.

Same thing. You have to have the bus, you have to have the equipment, you need the trained staff to run it, and you have to have a radiologist to interpret the results. There is an economy of scale of which a hospital can take advantage.

Fro a small neighborhood clinic that serves the poor, referrals are more economically feasible.


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Of which planned Parenthood doesn't have. Hint... They borrow ours.

How about we just cut out the middleman?

You don't want mammogram busses to be out in the community and that people have to go to the radiological department of a hospital to get one?

That's what "cutting out the middleman" would mean, the bus service. A Doctor (or qualified Physician's Assistant) is the start of the process because a doctor has to order the radiological exam. The buss provides the taking of the x-rays which are then returned to the hospital and developed and interpreted. The results are then returned to the doctor that ordered the test. So the "middleman" is the bus taking the pictures.

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[Steven_R]

We don't need abortions for the survival of our country. Quite the opposite.

Sorry, you don't get to use a logical fallacy and then say it isn't one.

We need a healthy country to survive. Does that justify universal tax payer funded healthcare?

Our country has not only survived for well over two centuries, but thrived and rose to the top without it.

Nice try. Your orange is rotten.

So we don't need healthy people, we need troops scattered all over the world and 5000 nuclear weapons.

Goddam you're retarded.

Outside of abortions for issues involving birth defects or risks to the mother's life, what part of the process is a health issue? And that's really the problem people have with PP getting public funding: abortion.

Want an abortion? Pay for it with your own money and stop asking for taxpayers to foot the bill.

For the one millionth time.......taxpayers do not pay for abortions

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

 

[Steven_R]

The Republican war on women is sad to watch. When will it end?

It's a war on women to say "if you want an abortion, feel free, but don't expect the taxpayer to write the check"?

Who writes the check?

The parties involved in getting the woman knocked up in the first place.

 

[rightwinger]

We need a healthy country to survive. Does that justify universal tax payer funded healthcare?

Our country has not only survived for well over two centuries, but thrived and rose to the top without it.

Nice try. Your orange is rotten.

So we don't need healthy people, we need troops scattered all over the world and 5000 nuclear weapons.

Goddam you're retarded.

Outside of abortions for issues involving birth defects or risks to the mother's life, what part of the process is a health issue? And that's really the problem people have with PP getting public funding: abortion.

Want an abortion? Pay for it with your own money and stop asking for taxpayers to foot the bill.

For the one millionth time.......taxpayers do not pay for abortions

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

Now we are going to ban talking about it?

Abortion is a legal alternative to women who are pregnant. ANY health facility should be allowed to discuss the option with women

 

[Steven_R]

Nobody is going to ban talking about it, but those that push for abortion outside of for a health issue shouldn't keep getting taxpayer funding either.

Pro-abortion types should just put their money where their mouths are and foot the bills themselves.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

Why isn't funding removed from independent OBGYN practices and hospitals that also do abortions and yet can still submit MedicAid and MediCare for other not abortion services?


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[bendog]

I have never seen a bill from PP to any insurance provider for mammograms or any non abortion womens health issue.

Must not happen very often.

I think you are confusing breast cancer screening with mammogram, they are not the same thing. Breast cancer screening includes patient history, physical exam, and breast manipulation (checking of lumps), and can include mammograms which are most commonly done by referral to a place: (a) with the expensive physical equipment, and (b) with the staff to use the equipment and a radiologist that is qualified to interpret the results.


>>>>

True. But I was so referring to the rolling mammogram busses that hospitals have on site but PP does not.

Same thing. You have to have the bus, you have to have the equipment, you need the trained staff to run it, and you have to have a radiologist to interpret the results. There is an economy of scale of which a hospital can take advantage.

Fro a small neighborhood clinic that serves the poor, referrals are more economically feasible.


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Of which planned Parenthood doesn't have. Hint... They borrow ours.

How about we just cut out the middleman?

I don't think that's really the issue. PP's claim to legitimacy as a HC provider was that it did offer referrals to subsidized abortions, but also without it poor and working poor women would not have access to routine HC services ... because people didn't have insurance to pay for regular docs. Well, for all of Obamacare's glitches, it HAS expanded insurance coverage to those groups, it Has increased Doc and Phys Asst training. There is an increasing market for providers to practice and get paid.

Perhaps PP should just become a referrer for abortions and subsidize coverage.

 

[BlueGin]

I have never seen a bill from PP to any insurance provider for mammograms or any non abortion womens health issue.

Must not happen very often.

I think you are confusing breast cancer screening with mammogram, they are not the same thing. Breast cancer screening includes patient history, physical exam, and breast manipulation (checking of lumps), and can include mammograms which are most commonly done by referral to a place: (a) with the expensive physical equipment, and (b) with the staff to use the equipment and a radiologist that is qualified to interpret the results.


>>>>

True. But I was so referring to the rolling mammogram busses that hospitals have on site but PP does not.

Same thing. You have to have the bus, you have to have the equipment, you need the trained staff to run it, and you have to have a radiologist to interpret the results. There is an economy of scale of which a hospital can take advantage.

Fro a small neighborhood clinic that serves the poor, referrals are more economically feasible.


>>>>

Of which planned Parenthood doesn't have. Hint... They borrow ours.

How about we just cut out the middleman?

You don't want mammogram busses to be out in the community and that people have to go to the radiological department of a hospital to get one?

That's what "cutting out the middleman" would mean, the bus service. A Doctor (or qualified Physician's Assistant) is the start of the process because a doctor has to order the radiological exam. The buss provides the taking of the x-rays which are then returned to the hospital and developed and interpreted. The results are then returned to the doctor that ordered the test. So the "middleman" is the bus taking the pictures.

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Our busses visit all area hospitals, clinics etc twice a month. We even loan them to the American cancer society and all related walks and fund raisers.

People have no trouble getting mammograms without PP.

 

[bendog]

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

Why isn't funding removed from independent OBGYN practices and hospitals that also do abortions and yet can still submit MedicAid and MediCare for other not abortion services?


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I think it's the mixing in of private money to subsidize the abortions in the same setting of govt funding for other services.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

Why isn't funding removed from independent OBGYN practices and hospitals that also do abortions and yet can still submit MedicAid and MediCare for other not abortion services?


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I think it's the mixing in of private money to subsidize the abortions in the same setting of govt funding for other services.

Hospitals accept MedicAid and MediCare, private practices and other non-PP clinics accept MedicAid and MediCare. They also mix govt funding with other services.

Clinics, Hospitals, and Private Practices also accept Tri-Care which is govt funds.


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[BlueGin]

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

Why isn't funding removed from independent OBGYN practices and hospitals that also do abortions and yet can still submit MedicAid and MediCare for other not abortion services?


>>>>

I think it's the mixing in of private money to subsidize the abortions in the same setting of govt funding for other services.

Hospitals accept MedicAid and MediCare, private practices and other non-PP clinics accept MedicAid and MediCare. They also mix govt funding with other services.

Clinics, Hospitals, and Private Practices also accept Tri-Care which is govt funds.


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Plus all of the big providers have Medicare/Medicaid replacement plans.

 

[bendog]

You're missing the point. PP brings up abortion as an option. Money goes to PP. Whether PP actually takes that funding and uses it for office supplies and corporate jets or just uses it to suck out a fetus from some tramp's hoohoodilly isn't the issue for people that don't want abortions. They don't want their tax dollars going to an organization that pushes abortion as a legitimate solution to getting preggers.

Why isn't funding removed from independent OBGYN practices and hospitals that also do abortions and yet can still submit MedicAid and MediCare for other not abortion services?


>>>>

I think it's the mixing in of private money to subsidize the abortions in the same setting of govt funding for other services.

Hospitals accept MedicAid and MediCare, private practices and other non-PP clinics accept MedicAid and MediCare. They also mix govt funding with other services.

Clinics, Hospitals, and Private Practices also accept Tri-Care which is govt funds.


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Yes, but they aren't also private advocacy groups raising money to subsidize abortions from private physicians.