James Carville claims Platner has issues, but it is necessary to vote for Platner in spite of them

[pknopp]

Nope. Platner beat Mills (a sensible Democrat) by beating the Socialist Drum. Heck, he did it without a single vote being cast. (Unless something radically changes).




Nope. Democrats have to look at the big picture.

Retaking the Senate should be the ONLY goal here. Not fretting that when he was a 20-something-year-old kid in the Marines, he got drunk and said, "That tattoo looks cool!" not realizing it vaguely resembled a symbol once used by the SS.


Then shame on Democrats.

Democrats have run some of their best out of politics for bullshit Pound Me Too reasons, like Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo.

So Democratic women are going to have to make a hard choice.

Stomach Platner's dubious behavior, or let Collins keep supporting Trump's assault on women's rights.

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People are rejecting "the lesser evil".

 

[JoeB131]

People are rejecting "the lesser evil".

Life is nothing but rejecting the lesser evil.

 

[pknopp]

Life is nothing but rejecting the lesser evil.

And for the Democrats, losing.

 

[initforme]

Um, yeah, okay.

Now, I want you to think about the worst thing you ever did in your life.

Should you be judged solely by that thing?

Platner got a dumb tattoo and became caught up in Reddit shitposting culture.

He also served his country, started his own business, and understands what people in this country are going through.

Im speaking about both sides pointing poor behaviors out is all. Voters no longer care about that stuff. Its funny to think he's any better or worse than the rest.

 

[pknopp]

Im speaking about both sides pointing poor behaviors out is all. Voters no longer care about that stuff. Its funny to think he's any better or worse than the rest.

I care. Poor behavior in many forms has got us into the messes we are in.

 

[22lcidw]

Nope. Platner beat Mills (a sensible Democrat) by beating the Socialist Drum. Heck, he did it without a single vote being cast. (Unless something radically changes).




Nope. Democrats have to look at the big picture.

Retaking the Senate should be the ONLY goal here. Not fretting that when he was a 20-something-year-old kid in the Marines, he got drunk and said, "That tattoo looks cool!" not realizing it vaguely resembled a symbol once used by the SS.


Then shame on Democrats.

Democrats have run some of their best out of politics for bullshit Pound Me Too reasons, like Al Franken and Andrew Cuomo.

So Democratic women are going to have to make a hard choice.

Stomach Platner's dubious behavior, or let Collins keep supporting Trump's assault on women's rights.

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It is you who are violating women's rights. With the help of other women. People have not evolved in a century through genetic improvements through evolution. You keep spouting that. Other nations do not adhere to your craziness in agendas and are moving up the food chain. Women control much of the economy in our nation and use much of the services. The costs are huge. That in itself is not equality.

 

[JoeB131]

Im speaking about both sides pointing poor behaviors out is all. Voters no longer care about that stuff. Its funny to think he's any better or worse than the rest.

I agree Republicans don't care about that stuff.

It will be interesting to see if Democrats shoot themselves in the foot by rejecting Platner or not.

And for the Democrats, losing.

Only because they tend to not be ruthless enough. Republicans win because they are ruthless. Democrats often lose because they can't make the hard decisions.

But again, Platner is one of yours. He's part of that "Socialism Good" wing of the DNC that came in with Commie Bernie and AOC. That should have been more disqualifying than a tattoo he had removed when they pointed out its significance.

 

[JoeB131]

It is you who are violating women's rights. With the help of other women. People have not evolved in a century through genetic improvements through evolution. You keep spouting that. Other nations do not adhere to your craziness in agendas and are moving up the food chain. Women control much of the economy in our nation and use much of the services. The costs are huge. That in itself is not equality.

Ah, 22, we can always count on you for some unmedicated crazy.

You clearly don't understand how evolution works. Evolution doesn't happen among humans today because we take care of everyone. Or as Darwin observed, "We allow our worst animals to breed."

Still, people today are larger and live longer than past generations. So we must be doing something right.

 

[pknopp]

I agree Republicans don't care about that stuff.

It will be interesting to see if Democrats shoot themselves in the foot by rejecting Platner or not.



Only because they tend to not be ruthless enough. Republicans win because they are ruthless. Democrats often lose because they can't make the hard decisions.

But again, Platner is one of yours. He's part of that "Socialism Good" wing of the DNC that came in with Commie Bernie and AOC. That should have been more disqualifying than a tattoo he had removed when they pointed out its significance.

Always with the lashing out. You can't just stick to the subject.

It's like I'm questioning your religion and you believe in burning people at the stake over that.


People have told Democrats "we don't want this candidate" but dang, Democrats are going to run them anyway and Carville with get pissed when they lose.

 

[JoeB131]

Always with the lashing out. You can't just stick to the subject.

It's like I'm questioning your religion and you believe in burning people at the stake over that.


People have told Democrats "we don't want this candidate" but dang, Democrats are going to run them anyway and Carville with get pissed when they lose.

Which people have told them that? You can't get on the ballot without winning a primary. If Platner wins on Tuesday, it's because the people of Maine wanted him, despite all the hand-wringing by the NYT.

If anything, the Democrats need to get back to the center and win back working-class white people they've lost to the Republicans. Unfortunately, the far left loons have mistaken protest votes against Hillary in 2016 as "We really like us some Socialism now! Let's vote for Commie Bernie's crew!"

 

[Mac1958]

He's pretty much disqualified himself. But he'll run anyway, and get a ton of votes. That's because we're in a race to the bottom, and it's showing. It's obvious. Standards are gone, replaced by spin and excuses.

"Vote for us, because the OTHER guys are EVEN WORSE". Not exactly a surprise that this is what you get with tribalism over reason.

 

[pknopp]

Which people have told them that? You can't get on the ballot without winning a primary. If Platner wins on Tuesday, it's because the people of Maine wanted him, despite all the hand-wringing by the NYT.

We have covered this many times. Hillary lost in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in the primaries. Then lost Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in the general. All states she should have easily won.

Harris came in last during the 2020 primaries.

You blame this on those who wouldn't hold their nose and pull the lever. I blame a party that refuses to listen.

If anything, the Democrats need to get back to the center and win back working-class white people they've lost to the Republicans. Unfortunately, the far left loons have mistaken protest votes against Hillary in 2016 as "We really like us some Socialism now! Let's vote for Commie Bernie's crew!"

No, Democrats do not need to get back to their Republican roots.

 

[SweetTea]

Only because they tend to not be ruthless enough. Republicans win because they are ruthless. Democrats often lose because they can't make the hard decisions.

Democrats are far more rutheless than Democrats. Democrats tend to be the outspoken, riot if they don’t get their way crowd. Repbublicans are more conservative by nature, thus why they tend to make a habit of making a scene. Just look at how much attention the gay crowd gets now for example. They are a small percentage of the population but they are loud and proud enough to get a month dedicated to their lifestyle.

But again, Platner is one of yours. He's part of that "Socialism Good" wing of the DNC that came in with Commie Bernie and AOC. That should have been more disqualifying than a tattoo he had removed when they pointed out its significance.

Maybe you don’t understand that it is the Socialists, Bernie types that are running your party. The Democratic Party is has fallen victim to the loudest mouths in their party taking control.

NYC voted in a guy who ran as a Democratic Socialist. How dumb do you have to be to vote for that and believe that everything will be free and the rich will pay for it all? A little introspection among reasonable Democrats, if there are any left, is in order. Stop demonizing the “rich”. Stop talking about “free” this and that and downplaying the success of the US as a country as compared to others. Stop condemning our history and acting as though virtually every country on the planet doesn’t have skeletons in their closet.

All of these things lead us down the path towards a change away from what made the US the most successful country the world has seen in a mere 250 years. That change is currently towards Socialism/Communism. I find it very ironic that progressives would be in favor of such a regressive change, but that goes back to ignorance and education/indoctrination all sponsored by your beloved Democratic Party.

 

[JoeB131]

We have covered this many times. Hillary lost in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in the primaries. Then lost Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania in the general. All states she should have easily won.

The problem with Hillary is that, in addition to misogyny, she's just not a likable person. I think you are mistaking a personality issue for an ideological one. Her Husband won easily twice, pushing the same policies. But while Bill was always kind of a charming scamp, Hillary just came off as shrill and unlikeable.

(I could nitpick about all the tactical mistakes she made, such as trying to run a 50 state campaign, and focusing almost exclusively on what a Troll Trump was, but that's off topic.)

I will tell you what, as much as I hate Trump with a passion that blots out the suns, if given a choice between Commie Bernie and Trump in 2016, I probably would have voted for Trump.

Harris came in last during the 2020 primaries.

Actually, she never made it to the primaries because she wasn't garnering interest from the donor class.
Biden, on the other hand, beat Commie Bernie in nearly every contest, and the few Commie Bernie did win, he still had lower margins than he did in 2016.
But some of you think his snake oil is a good idea.

You blame this on those who wouldn't hold their nose and pull the lever. I blame a party that refuses to listen.

If you sat out 2016 or 2020 because Hillary and Harris weren't Commie enough for you, and let Trump win, that's on you.

No, Democrats do not need to get back to their Republican roots.

They need to stop scaring the straights.

Most Americans don't believe in socialism. they don't want trannies in the bathrooms, they don't want DEI, they don't want to defund the police.

Democrats let Republicans define the issues, that's why they lost.

Now, the truth of American politics is that when times are good, we can navel gaze at the social issues like immigration, gay rights, and abortion. This is when Republicans do well.

When things aren't good, the Republican message of "You Peasants should be happy with what the rich deign to give you" doesn't play so well.

Which is why we are stuck in this eight-year cycle, which, for the moment, seems to be speeding up to every four years.

 

[pknopp]

The problem with Hillary is that, in addition to misogyny, she's just not a likable person. I think you are mistaking a personality issue for an ideological one. Her Husband won easily twice, pushing the same policies. But while Bill was always kind of a charming scamp, Hillary just came off as shrill and unlikeable.

I don't recall Bill pushing never ending wars. She was unlikable because she ran on unlikable ideas.

It's notable here that the Republican's fell into the same trap with Trump.

(I could nitpick about all the tactical mistakes she made, such as trying to run a 50 state campaign, and focusing almost exclusively on what a Troll Trump was, but that's off topic.)

I will tell you what, as much as I hate Trump with a passion that blots out the suns, if given a choice between Commie Bernie and Trump in 2016, I probably would have voted for Trump.

No doubt, and then ***** because people didn't vote for Hillary.

Actually, she never made it to the primaries because she wasn't garnering interest from the donor class.
Biden, on the other hand, beat Commie Bernie in nearly every contest, and the few Commie Bernie did win, he still had lower margins than he did in 2016.
But some of you think his snake oil is a good idea.

I don't think never ending wars is a good idea. Silly me.

If you sat out 2016 or 2020 because Hillary and Harris weren't Commie enough for you, and let Trump win, that's on you.

You know that didn't happen but again, you just have to lash out.

They need to stop scaring the straights.

Most Americans don't believe in socialism. they don't want trannies in the bathrooms, they don't want DEI, they don't want to defund the police.

Hillary was good with born males in women's bathrooms. It was the only way she could differentiate herself from a Republican.

Democrats let Republicans define the issues, that's why they lost.

Now, the truth of American politics is that when times are good, we can navel gaze at the social issues like immigration, gay rights, and abortion. This is when Republicans do well.

When things aren't good, the Republican message of "You Peasants should be happy with what the rich deign to give you" doesn't play so well.

Which is why we are stuck in this eight-year cycle, which, for the moment, seems to be speeding up to every four years.

"Make the rich pay their fair share". Biden argued that BUT did nothing to pursue it.

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats are far more rutheless than Democrats. Democrats tend to be the outspoken, riot if they don’t get their way crowd. Repbublicans are more conservative by nature, thus why they tend to make a habit of making a scene. Just look at how much attention the gay crowd gets now for example. They are a small percentage of the population but they are loud and proud enough to get a month dedicated to their lifestyle.

Wow, yeah, those radical crazy gays, expecting what you as a straight person take for granted. How dare they?

NYC voted in a guy who ran as a Democratic Socialist. How dumb do you have to be to vote for that and believe that everything will be free and the rich will pay for it all? A little introspection among reasonable Democrats, if there are any left, is in order. Stop demonizing the “rich”. Stop talking about “free” this and that and downplaying the success of the US as a country as compared to others. Stop condemning our history and acting as though virtually every country on the planet doesn’t have skeletons in their closet.

The only thing that demonizes "the rich" are their own behaviors.

Introspection on the worst parts of our history is how we fix the problems. Trying to pretend slavery wasn't that bad isn't fixing anything.

All of these things lead us down the path towards a change away from what made the US the most successful country the world has seen in a mere 250 years. That change is currently towards Socialism/Communism. I find it very ironic that progressives would be in favor of such a regressive change, but that goes back to ignorance and education/indoctrination all sponsored by your beloved Democratic Party.

Wow. Wrong about everything.

What made America "great" was progressives like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and FDR saying that the working man deserves his fair share of the prosperity, and not just the rich. We are in decline now because the Republicans have figured out how to get dumb white people more upset about a tranny in the bathroom than the decline of the Middle Class.

Now, I will freely admit that socialism doesn't work because it doesn't understand human nature. Capitalism doesn't work because it indulges the worst parts of human nature. So why keep acting like these are the only two choices on the menu?

But, nope, we keep making the same mistakes and wondering why the Chinese are eating our lunch.

Maybe you don’t understand that it is the Socialists, Bernie types that are running your party. The Democratic Party is has fallen victim to the loudest mouths in their party taking control.

Not really. The Squad has all of 4 members. They get the most attention, but they aren't making policy. The Head Jew still gets all the weapons he wants out of Democrats in Congress.

 

[pknopp]

Not really. The Squad has all of 4 members. They get the most attention, but they aren't making policy. The Head Jew still gets all the weapons he wants out of Democrats in Congress.

Democrats just voted to send boatloads of cash to Ukraine while day care centers in WV are defunded.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't recall Bill pushing never ending wars. She was unlikable because she ran on unlikable ideas.

It's notable here that the Republican's fell into the same trap with Trump.

Um, Bill got us involved in military actions in Iraq and the Balkans. Not to mention bombing Sudan and Afghanistan.
Both parties are against "never-ending wars" when the other guys are in charge.

No doubt, and then ***** because people didn't vote for Hillary.

Trump is an extinction-level event for American Democracy. He has shown the Billionaire class can do a hostile takeover of the government. If you sat on your hands in the face of that, that's on you.

But Bernie wasn't a good alternative.

I don't think never ending wars is a good idea. Silly me.

I guess. Not sure what your alternative is.

You know that didn't happen but again, you just have to lash out.

That's exactly what happened. Trump didn't win anyone over, people just didn't show up who had previously voted for Obama and Biden.

Hillary was good with born males in women's bathrooms. It was the only way she could differentiate herself from a Republican.

I don't think the transgender issue was even a big deal in 2016. Trump mostly won on immigration and trade, because Hillary didn't make a good case why those are actually good things.

"Make the rich pay their fair share". Biden argued that BUT did nothing to pursue it.

Biden only had two years to get anything done. A tax increase in the middle of Covid wasn't going to happen, and you know it.

But that's the fun part of being an ideologue: you don't have to ever produce results because no one trusts you with the big-boy positions.

Commie Bernie has been in Congress for how long? What's he accomplished in all that time?

 

[JoeB131]

Democrats just voted to send boatloads of cash to Ukraine while day care centers in WV are defunded.

And what's your alternative, let Russia overrun Ukraine?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Hey commies, who tells you when to go from, “IT IS ALL LIES” to “HE IS A POS, BUT VOTE FOR HIM ANYWAY”?

Are you on an email list? Do you get it from THE VIEW?

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN TO PIVOT IN UNISON?