I’ve Never Been a Patriot, but Spain Standing Up to Trump Has Made Me One

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I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
 
I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
That was good to see. And Carney deserves a lot of credit for opening the door. Smaller steps at first.

This tragic, unnecessary divorce will be a process. I only hope America can avoid becoming totally isolated.

Leaving MAGA Support Group
 
That was good to see. And Carney deserves a lot of credit for opening the door. Smaller steps at first.

This tragic, unnecessary divorce will be a process. I only hope America can avoid becoming totally isolated.

Leaving MAGA Support Group
Without implying anything about his motives the countries that benefit by our methodical withdrawal from the world community are our enemies.
 
Imagine walking around with ancestors who conquered native land and enslaved indigenous people and raped their women.

That is why Spanish is the language spoken from Mexico all the way to Antarctica. They are not speaking FRENCH GERMAN ENGLISH SWEDISH NORWEGIAN ITALIAN….

They speak SPANISH because SPAIN STOLE THAT LAND.

Did they GIVE IT BACK to the indigenous tribes?

Nope.

Also, the indigenous tribes conquered each other and enslaved and raped.
 
I’ve always been repulsed by flags. I’ve never sung along to a national anthem. I speak Catalan, one of Spain’s minority languages. And in the next World Cup I’ll be rooting for Holland, not Spain, because I’m a fan of their beautiful history of losses. No one would accuse me of being a patriot.

Nevertheless this week, when I heard President Trump say that Spain is a terrible ally and has nothing that the United States needs, when I saw that the leader of the so-called free world was threatening to cut off all trade with Spain, I felt an unusual pride in being Spanish. There is something epic about being on the receiving end of the fury of a tyrant, especially when that fury is brought about by a refusal to be his vassal.

The Spanish government triggered Mr. Trump’s ire after our prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, announced he would not allow the United States to use jointly operated military bases in the war against Iran. Those bases have been America’s to use since 1953, a time when Spain was isolated from the world, living under the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco. In that era a shameful pact between our countries was sealed: Spain agreed to allow the United States to use military bases on its territory in exchange for money and what was essentially diplomatic recognition of a bloody, repressive regime.


There is a reason this editorial caught my eye. I recently watched the movie "Nuremberg" on Netflix and was struck with two particular scenes. In one, a US Army psychiatrist who was assigned to determine if the Germans accused of war crimes were competent to stand trial asks Hermann Goring what first attracted him to Hitler. Goring said, "He made us feel like Germans again. He told us we can reclaim our former glory." (Something that needs to be understood in the context of what happened to Germany after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.) A light bulb came on..............MAGA.

Later in the movie while Goring is on the witness stand he is asked if he would follow Hitler again, knowing what he knew then. He answered in the affirmative.

No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.

But I did come away from the movie thinking it was perhaps the best explanation for why trump fans are so devoted to him absolutely, positively, no matter what. trump makes them feel emotions they like feeling. It could be resentment towards the "elites," anger towards illegal immigrants or anyone comprising "the other," frustration with their circumstances, a feeling of nostalgia for the past, or hatred towards those they believe have taken the US down the wrong path. IMO, only such powerful emotions could have created the permission structure allowing them to dismiss his many, many, MANY, shortcomings. Too many to repeat.

The movie concludes with the psychiatrist doing a radio interview about the book he wrote based on his observations. Citing his belief what happened with the citizenry of Germany could happen anywhere. He's been proven to be correct.
geezus...lol....
 
No, I'm not going down the silly road of comparing trump to Hitler. And I'm not implying trump is a fascist, though there are echoes of fascism in what he aspires to for the country.
I'm on that "silly" road. Trump is a fascist, as are his followers. He might not have concentration camps.... but I'm forced to add "yet" to that observation. He's unhinged and his followers have shown zero ability to tell him "no".
 
I'm on that "silly" road. Trump is a fascist, as are his followers. He might not have concentration camps.... but I'm forced to add "yet" to that observation. He's unhinged and his followers have shown zero ability to tell him "no".
they have shown zero ability is because they agree with him....so why would they tell him no?...
 
One can love his country while despising it's poor leadership. As a result ... I love my country.
 
It isn't the first time a trumple has tried to discredit the message by trying to discredit the messenger. It won't be the last.
Nor is it the first time liberal trash refuse to take responsibility for their words. Nor will it be the last, as undoubtedly, you will waste bandwidth again soon with another useless thread.
 
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I'm on that "silly" road. Trump is a fascist, as are his followers. He might not have concentration camps.... but I'm forced to add "yet" to that observation. He's unhinged and his followers have shown zero ability to tell him "no".
As I wrote a few days ago, trump is the last guy any democracy wants without adult supervision. His first impulse is always to abuse his power and make decisions from a position of ignorance and self-indulgence. Congressional R's have abdicated virtually all their oversight responsibilities, his cabinet and aides are completely cowed, and The Following gives him unconditional love. As we have seen, it's a recipe for disaster.
 
Nor is it the first time liberal trash refuse to take responsibility for their words. Nor will it be the last, as undoubtedly, you will waste bandwidth again soon with another useless thread.
Any time you're ready to turn that word salad in to something specific I'm ready to discuss it.
 
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