It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation.

[Mashmont]

no.

Love the Raiders avatar. I am a Raiders fan too. Have been since I was 11. A lot of disappointment lately, although this was a pretty good season.

 

[Disir]

Hmmmm....Hmm.....I got you

 

[Bezukhov]

Do you really think Jesus would give a flying intercourse if you call America a "Christian Nation"?

 

[Batcat]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to formally declare America a Christian nation.

If some of the framers intended to separate Church and state (which is not 100% certain), then it’s time to correct that mistake. it’s time for a Constitutional Amendment to declare Christianity the official belief of the United States. Here’s why:

The intent of any such separation was to prevent any single denomination from dominating or punishing members of another through government. The idea was to be religion-neutral. Noble enough. But the framers made a few critical miscalculations: They incorrectly assumed:

1. That “good” laws and “Christian” laws could be separated. They can’t. There is 100% overlap. You can’t have laws that help the people without them being Christian laws.
2. That a belief vacuum is possible in our laws. It isn’t, because the opposite of religion isn’t nothing; it’s atheism.

That’s right. When you attempt to ban Christian laws, you only allow atheist laws.

Examples:
Forcing Christian groups to pay for abortions and birth control for their employees.
Forcing Christian florists, photographers, and bakers to participate in gay weddings.
Distributing condoms in government schools to teens and preteens, suggesting that sex among these immature and obviously unmarried students is morally acceptable.
Using taxpayer funds to pay for abortions abroad.
Banning the Ten Commandments from government buildings (while flying the rainbow flag).
Banning the Nativity Scenes from government buildings.
Government sanction of Kwanzaa celebrations (a made-up racist ‘holiday’).
Disallowing references to Christmas in the public schools.
Teaching Critical Race Theory (which divides people and promotes hate).
Allowing gay marriage.

This is why the left screeches so loudly about “keeping religion out of government”. It’s because they know their atheism gets free reign if it doesn’t have to compete against Christianity.

The solution is two part: First, BAN atheism and atheistic views from being promoted by all media outlets. We’ve had such decency laws before. Hollywood enacted such standards in 1934 (that have since been repealed, unfortunately). Get rid of all the immoral trash in the movies and TV. Disallow the leftwing media from promoting atheist Marxism and other atheist policies. Then, secondly promote a Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land. Then we end the abortion debate, the race-baiting issue, and the anti-capitalist pro-socialist issue once and for all. The country would once again be following God’s plan, church attendance would rise again, couples would marry instead of cohabitating, the gay marriage ruling would be repealed, families would stay together and be stronger, children would grow up in two-parent homes, so there would be far less crime. And best of all, ALL Marixst atheist disinformation would be stifled, and our children would stop being poisoned by it.

Let’s do it NOW!!

I consider myself to be a Christian although many people have told me my destination is Hell. Obviously they don’t realize that making such a judgement is above their pay grade.

However I see no reason to “ban atheism and atheistic views form being promoted by all media outlets.” or to ”Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land.“

I happen to appreciate the Bill of Rights in our Constitution expecially the First and Second Amendments. The ideas proposed violate the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

A person living in a free nation should have the right to chose his religion or to be an atheist and express his views without censorship.

 

[Faun]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to formally declare America a Christian nation.

If some of the framers intended to separate Church and state (which is not 100% certain), then it’s time to correct that mistake. it’s time for a Constitutional Amendment to declare Christianity the official belief of the United States. Here’s why:

The intent of any such separation was to prevent any single denomination from dominating or punishing members of another through government. The idea was to be religion-neutral. Noble enough. But the framers made a few critical miscalculations: They incorrectly assumed:

1. That “good” laws and “Christian” laws could be separated. They can’t. There is 100% overlap. You can’t have laws that help the people without them being Christian laws.
2. That a belief vacuum is possible in our laws. It isn’t, because the opposite of religion isn’t nothing; it’s atheism.

That’s right. When you attempt to ban Christian laws, you only allow atheist laws.

Examples:
Forcing Christian groups to pay for abortions and birth control for their employees.
Forcing Christian florists, photographers, and bakers to participate in gay weddings.
Distributing condoms in government schools to teens and preteens, suggesting that sex among these immature and obviously unmarried students is morally acceptable.
Using taxpayer funds to pay for abortions abroad.
Banning the Ten Commandments from government buildings (while flying the rainbow flag).
Banning the Nativity Scenes from government buildings.
Government sanction of Kwanzaa celebrations (a made-up racist ‘holiday’).
Disallowing references to Christmas in the public schools.
Teaching Critical Race Theory (which divides people and promotes hate).
Allowing gay marriage.

This is why the left screeches so loudly about “keeping religion out of government”. It’s because they know their atheism gets free reign if it doesn’t have to compete against Christianity.

The solution is two part: First, BAN atheism and atheistic views from being promoted by all media outlets. We’ve had such decency laws before. Hollywood enacted such standards in 1934 (that have since been repealed, unfortunately). Get rid of all the immoral trash in the movies and TV. Disallow the leftwing media from promoting atheist Marxism and other atheist policies. Then, secondly promote a Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land. Then we end the abortion debate, the race-baiting issue, and the anti-capitalist pro-socialist issue once and for all. The country would once again be following God’s plan, church attendance would rise again, couples would marry instead of cohabitating, the gay marriage ruling would be repealed, families would stay together and be stronger, children would grow up in two-parent homes, so there would be far less crime. And best of all, ALL Marixst atheist disinformation would be stifled, and our children would stop being poisoned by it.

Let’s do it NOW!!

Nah, Christianity was built on the foundation of Judaism. Let's cut out the middleman and make the U.S. a Jewish nation. Israel West.

 

[Mashmont]

I consider myself to be a Christian although many people have told me my destination is Hell. Obviously they don’t realize that making such a judgement is above their pay grade.

However I see no reason to “ban atheism and atheistic views form being promoted by all media outlets.” or to ”Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land.“

I happen to appreciate the Bill of Rights in our Constitution expecially the First and Second Amendments. The ideas proposed violate the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

A person living in a free nation should have the right to chose his religion or to be an atheist and express his views without censorship.

For some reason, people are quoting the founding documents, as if that counters my claim. I have said three or four times, I think the founders were misguided on this issue, and I said why in my OP. I'm not sure the founders had ever seen the destruction virulent strains of atheism can cause, like with the Communists. The founders couldn't have foreseen how they would hijack the Constitution for their own ends. I would ask that people stop pasting these quotes, as I know what they say already.

People are and should be free to choose their beliefs, but I think the state religion should be Christianity. And the media complex should not be allowed to push an atheist agenda as they are now. As we have seen, government and the media have to pick one belief or another to spread, as there is no way to be neutral. We have to make sure it's the one that helps people; not the one that hurts them. Christianity helps people; atheism ruins them.

 

[Mashmont]

Hmmmm....Hmm.....I got you

It's a lot easier to call names than it is to actually debate a topic, I guess.

 

[Batcat]

People are and should be free to choose their beliefs, but I think the state religion should be Christianity. And the media complex should not be allowed to push an atheist agenda as they are now. As we have seen, government and the media have to pick one belief or another to spread, as there is no way to be neutral. We have to make sure it's the one that helps people; not the one that hurts them. Christianity helps people; atheism ruins them.

In my lifetime I have known a number of Jewish people. How would they feel if the official religion of this nation was Christianity? I also have known a number of Mormons. Many Christians consider Mormonism to be a cult.

I favor this nation not having an official religion. I also doubt there is any way that will change in the foreseeable future.

 

[Mashmont]

In my lifetime I have known a number of Jewish people. How would they feel if the official religion of this nation was Christianity? I also have known a number of Mormons. Many Christians consider Mormonism to be a cult.

I favor this nation not having an official religion. I also doubt there is any way that will change in the foreseeable future.

But don't you see? By not having an official religion, the de facto "religion" becomes atheism. That's what I've been trying to explain. It's like killing all the grass in a plot of land, and proclaiming "I will not have vegetation on this plot of land" But there is no chance of an empty plot, as weeds will creep in and establish themselves. Thus, it is with atheism in the absence of religion.

You should ask how Jews feel to live in a country with an atheist government. I'm sure they'd much rather live in a Christian country.

 

[Batcat]

For some reason, people are quoting the founding documents, as if that counters my claim. I have said three or four times, I think the founders were misguided on this issue, and I said why in my OP. I'm not sure the founders had ever seen the destruction virulent strains of atheism can cause, like with the Communists. The founders couldn't have foreseen how they would hijack the Constitution for their own ends. I would ask that people stop pasting these quotes, as I know what they say already.

People are and should be free to choose their beliefs, but I think the state religion should be Christianity. And the media complex should not be allowed to push an atheist agenda as they are now. As we have seen, government and the media have to pick one belief or another to spread, as there is no way to be neutral. We have to make sure it's the one that helps people; not the one that hurts them. Christianity helps people; atheism ruins them.

Lots of people want to amend the founding documents. We live in what is recognized to the leading nation in this world and much of our success is due to those founding documents. I suggest we thread carefully here especially when dealing with the Bill of Rights.

I personally suspect there was some Devine guidance in those founding documents.

Divine Providence in the Declaration of Independence - The Founding Blog

Early Americans' belief in a providential God, which came from the Bible & Judeo-Christian tradition, impacted their thoughts & actions in the founding era.

thefounding.net

During the American Revolution, when the American Founders wrote the Declaration of Independence to form the new nation of the United States, they included principles in the document that characterized America’s founding philosophy. One of these principles was the idea of God as “Divine Providence.” The Founders concluded the Declaration by stating, “For the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor [emphasis mine].” Their description shows that they acknowledged and upheld a Judeo-Christian, Bible-based view of God as actively involved in the lives of human beings. Such were the views of many early Americans, which greatly impacted their thoughts and actions at that time.

Why God is in the Declaration but not the Constitution - Journal of the American Revolution

No country venerates its “Founding Fathers” like the United States. Academics, legislators, judges, and ordinary citizens all frequently seek to validate their opinions and policy prescriptions by identifying them with the statesmen who led America to nationhood. It is not surprising, therefore...

allthingsliberty.com

***snip***

The Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution do not therefore represent competing views of the existence of a Supreme Being or its role in American political life. They are two sides of the same coin. When read together, the Declaration and Constitution tell us that the people’s rights are divine in origin, sacred and unalienable, while governments are human in origin, answerable to the people and dependent entirely on their consent.

 

[Bezukhov]

So where in the Bible did Jesus encourage His followers to seize earthly political and use it to lord over and dominate everyone else? Did Jesus aspire to an earthly kingdom when He walked the earth?

 

[Batcat]

But don't you see? By not having an official religion, the de facto "religion" becomes atheism. That's what I've been trying to explain. It's like killing all the grass in a plot of land, and proclaiming "I will not have vegetation on this plot of land" But there is no chance of an empty plot, as weeds will creep in and establish themselves. Thus, it is with atheism in the absence of religion.

You should ask how Jews feel to live in a country with an atheist government. I'm sure they'd much rather live in a Christian country.

I have never heard anyone say the de facto religion of our nation is atheism. You are the first. Commonly I have heard this nation described as Christian.

Recently a number of scandals has hurt Christianity in our nation. A fair number of churches have moved to a “feel good” form of Christianity which in my opinion is misleading. Some churches have adopted a “name it and claim it“ philosophy.

Hopefully a Christian revitalization will occur and people will return to the faith.

 

[Batcat]

But don't you see? By not having an official religion, the de facto "religion" becomes atheism. That's what I've been trying to explain. It's like killing all the grass in a plot of land, and proclaiming "I will not have vegetation on this plot of land" But there is no chance of an empty plot, as weeds will creep in and establish themselves. Thus, it is with atheism in the absence of religion.

You should ask how Jews feel to live in a country with an atheist government. I'm sure they'd much rather live in a Christian country.

You would think that after all the oppression Jews suffered durning WWII they would be all for gun ownership. Many are not as they fear firearms will be used against them by firearm owners who hate Jews.

Therefore I think they appreciate living in our nation which has no official religion more than you believe. This link is quite dated but interesting.

https://www.brandeis.edu/hornstein/sarna/christianjewishrelations/Archive/AmericanJewsandChurchStateRelationsEqualFooting.pdf

 

[cnm]

Let’s do it NOW!!

America deserves the best hypocrisy!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to formally declare America a Christian nation.

If some of the framers intended to separate Church and state (which is not 100% certain), then it’s time to correct that mistake. it’s time for a Constitutional Amendment to declare Christianity the official belief of the United States. Here’s why:

The intent of any such separation was to prevent any single denomination from dominating or punishing members of another through government. The idea was to be religion-neutral. Noble enough. But the framers made a few critical miscalculations: They incorrectly assumed:

1. That “good” laws and “Christian” laws could be separated. They can’t. There is 100% overlap. You can’t have laws that help the people without them being Christian laws.
2. That a belief vacuum is possible in our laws. It isn’t, because the opposite of religion isn’t nothing; it’s atheism.

That’s right. When you attempt to ban Christian laws, you only allow atheist laws.

Examples:
Forcing Christian groups to pay for abortions and birth control for their employees.
Forcing Christian florists, photographers, and bakers to participate in gay weddings.
Distributing condoms in government schools to teens and preteens, suggesting that sex among these immature and obviously unmarried students is morally acceptable.
Using taxpayer funds to pay for abortions abroad.
Banning the Ten Commandments from government buildings (while flying the rainbow flag).
Banning the Nativity Scenes from government buildings.
Government sanction of Kwanzaa celebrations (a made-up racist ‘holiday’).
Disallowing references to Christmas in the public schools.
Teaching Critical Race Theory (which divides people and promotes hate).
Allowing gay marriage.

This is why the left screeches so loudly about “keeping religion out of government”. It’s because they know their atheism gets free reign if it doesn’t have to compete against Christianity.

The solution is two part: First, BAN atheism and atheistic views from being promoted by all media outlets. We’ve had such decency laws before. Hollywood enacted such standards in 1934 (that have since been repealed, unfortunately). Get rid of all the immoral trash in the movies and TV. Disallow the leftwing media from promoting atheist Marxism and other atheist policies. Then, secondly promote a Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land. Then we end the abortion debate, the race-baiting issue, and the anti-capitalist pro-socialist issue once and for all. The country would once again be following God’s plan, church attendance would rise again, couples would marry instead of cohabitating, the gay marriage ruling would be repealed, families would stay together and be stronger, children would grow up in two-parent homes, so there would be far less crime. And best of all, ALL Marixst atheist disinformation would be stifled, and our children would stop being poisoned by it.

Let’s do it NOW!!

Uh, the opposite of religion isn't atheism. It's being non-religious. Atheism is a belief system that something DOESN'T exist. Non-religious isn't a belief system, hence, it's the opposite.

Which church would you FORCE people to follow then?

 

[cnm]

Atheism is a belief system that something DOESN'T exist.

Or a lack of belief that something does exist.

 

[frigidweirdo]

My choice would be Catholicism, the religion founded by Jesus. Jesus' teaching supersedes the OT teaching. I always notice atheists don't want any part of discussing Jesus' perfect teachings of love and peace.

Oh my word.

You know Catholicism and Orthodoxy split and that both claim to be the "true" original religion, but in reality, this was 1000 years after Jesus died (the Schism is closer to the present day than it is to the time when Jesus was supposedly alive) and neither were the "true" religion, being used for political purposes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Or a lack of belief that something does exist.

Someone who lacks belief is "non-religious". Atheist is "believes there is no God".

And yes, I do know that people use the term "atheist" badly and claim it's what you've said.

 

[Mashmont]

Do you really think Jesus would give a flying intercourse if you call America a "Christian Nation"?

I think He would be pleased if we acted like a Christian nation.

 

[Mashmont]

I have never heard anyone say the de facto religion of our nation is atheism. You are the first. Commonly I have heard this nation described as Christian.

Recently a number of scandals has hurt Christianity in our nation. A fair number of churches have moved to a “feel good” form of Christianity which in my opinion is misleading. Some churches have adopted a “name it and claim it“ philosophy.

Hopefully a Christian revitalization will occur and people will return to the faith.

I hope the same. We desperately need a Christian renaissance.