It's Official: Trump Appeals $355 Million Ruling in New York Civil Fraud Case -- February 26, 2024

[MAGA Macho Man]

Timbs v. Indiana was a criminal case not a disgorgement case.

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Mark Levins show last night discussed how the courts judgement was unconstitutional according to the 8th Amendment of the Constitution This type of case has happened and been adjudicated according to the 8th amendment of the Constitution by the Supreme Court. The Judgement was 9-0 with Ruth Badger Ginsberg reading the judgement!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not Timbs was not a Civil Case, it was a criminal case. The SCOTUS decision in the case involved a criminal case and civil forgeture unter a criminal system.

It had nothing to do with a Civil Case of disgorgement. Disgorgement being the removal of illegally obtained assets in New York for persistent fraudulent and illegal business activites.

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[WorldWatcher]

Mark Levins show last night discussed how the courts judgement was unconstitutional according to the 8th Amendment of the Constitution This type of case has happened and been adjudicated according to the 8th amendment of the Constitution by the Supreme Court. The Judgement was 9-0 with Ruth Badger Ginsberg reading the judgement!

Mark Levins is a media talking head.

Try reading the decision, Timbs was a criminal case.

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[jc456]

And the fines go to NYC/NYC State. This is exactly what the 8th Amendment was written for.

it's called stealing

 

[Doc7505]

Timbs v. Indiana was a criminal case not a disgorgement case.

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It doesn't make any difference whether it's a Civil or Criminal case. the 8th Amendment to the Constitution does not that distinction.

Excessive Fines

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[jc456]

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Not Timbs was not a Civil Case, it was a criminal case. The SCOTUS decision in the case involved a criminal case and civil forgeture unter a criminal system.

It had nothing to do with a Civil Case of disgorgement. Disgorgement being the removal of illegally obtained assets in New York for persistent fraudulent and illegal business activites.

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what part of excessive do you have issues with?

 

[jc456]

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It doesn't make any difference whether it's a Civil or Criminal case. the 8th Amendment to the Constitution does not that distinction.

right, still excessive per the constitution, no matter what. Funny how demofks can't get out of their own way.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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It doesn't make any difference whether it's a Civil or Criminal case. the 8th Amendment to the Constitution does not that distinction.

It makes a HUGE difference on how the case will be looked at by the courts.

The 8th applies to punishments (fines, etc.), disgorgement (restitution based on illegal activity) are two very different things.

what part of excessive do you have issues with?

Disgorgement isn't a fine. It's the removal of ill-gotten gains

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[SeaMajor7]

Mark Levins is a media talking head.

Try reading the decision, Timbs was a criminal case.

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[Zincwarrior]

In the meantime, he has to put up half a Billion in cash and bonds or the plaintaiffs get to start going after his assets.

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

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Disgorgement being the removal of illegally obtained assets in New York for persistent fraudulent and illegal business activites.

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Wouldn't persistent fraudulent and illegal activities be considered criminal?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Mark Levins show last night discussed how the courts judgement was unconstitutional according to the 8th Amendment of the Constitution This type of case has happened and been adjudicated according to the 8th amendment of the Constitution by the Supreme Court. The Judgement was 9-0 with Ruth Badger Ginsberg reading the judgement!

He should send his legal brief. Will he be managing the appeal? He should get his cash up front.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wouldn't persistent fraudulent and illegal activities be considered criminal?

No.

Not all violations of the law are criminal.

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[MAGA Macho Man]

Mark Levins is a media talking head.

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He's also a lawyer and was chief of staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese under Reagan. I think he knows the law.

 

[WorldWatcher]

He's also a lawyer and was chief of staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese under Reagan. I think he knows the law.

Chief of Staff? That isn't dealing with the law, it means he scheduled Meese's phone calls and calendar.

Levin hasn't been a practicing attorney for 2 decades, he's an entertainer that makes money off the gullible.

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[WEATHER53]

4/5 qualified experts on appraisal valuation methods hit the stand and it’s game over in one day for this witch hunting, election interfering bunch

 

[WorldWatcher]

4/5 qualified experts on appraisal valuation methods hit the stand and it’s game over in one day for this witch hunting, election interfering bunch

Correct. Such experts would toast FPOTUS#45's inflated numbers as completely out to lunch.

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[martybegan]

It makes a HUGE difference on how the case will be looked at by the courts.

The 8th applies to punishments (fines, etc.), disgorgement (restitution based on illegal activity) are two very different things.



Disgorgement isn't a fine. It's the removal of ill-gotten gains

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They aren't in this case but they are made to be so people can do end runs around the Constitution.

Who was the damaged party for the disgorgement?

 

[Billiejeens]

Chief of Staff? That isn't dealing with the law, it means he scheduled Meese's phone calls and calendar.

Levin hasn't been a practicing attorney for 2 decades, he's an entertainer that makes money off the gullible.

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You are a self important, for no discernable reason, propagandist troll.

 

[Batcat]

Who says the fine is excessive?

Considering there were no victims in the fraud case, the lenders were paid back on time and were willing to loan Trump more money — the fine was excessive.

Banker Involved in Big Loans to Trump's Company Testifies for His Defense in Civil Fraud Trial​

A Deutsche Bank executive says the bank followed its own guidelines — which include independently verifying information — when deciding to lend Donald Trump’s company hundreds of millions of dollars

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-11-28/banker-involved-in-big-loans-to-trumps-company-testifies-for-his-defense-in-civil-fraud-trial