Zone1 It is God's plan for Jesus to unite "ALL THINGS" back to him. Will God get what God wants or will Jesus FAIL?

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Ephesians 1:9-10
making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
 
"which he set forth in Christ" does not imply that Jesus himself will unite "all things". Instead, it is that all things are already united. You just need to open your eyes. That's what God wants, IMHO. Jesus is already with God: His work is done, and He seems to have been a success. for a few thousand years at least...a single drop of rain in a storm, but which gave lasting color to our world. We are all equal in our Father's eye, for starters. We are not equity, to be bought, traded, or sold.
 
You just need to open your eyes. That's what God wants, IMHO. Jesus is already with God: His work is done, and He seems to have been a success.
Absolutely. Jesus's last words were "It is finished". However, I don't know that Jesus's "work is done" in that I believe that he is working on all of us right now.

Let me put the question another way. Will God's plan for all things to be united back to him be a complete success or will his plan fail?
 
Ephesians 1:9-10
making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

I am curious to your emphasis on 'all things' in the thread title. And in your addition to 'back' when it is not in (Eph. 1:9-10).

Quantrill
 
Absolutely. Jesus's last words were "It is finished". However, I don't know that Jesus's "work is done" in that I believe that he is working on all of us right now.

Let me put the question another way. Will God's plan for all things to be united back to him be a complete success or will his plan fail?
All things are already united back to Him. I don't believe we can determine what "success" or "failure" looks like based on our individual (or even AI-driven) small ability and knowledge base.

Secondly, of the lessons Jesus Christ taught, our Father gave us free will here on the living Earth. YOU are the king, the god, of your own domain. [Within physical limitations, of course...and perhaps there are even exceptions to physical limitations that we do not know about yet <= my own personal interjection]
 
I think that "all things" means "all things". What do you think it means?

It can mean different things. It can mean 'all things' completely that have ever been created by God. Or, it can mean that in the end all that exists then will be united in Christ and under God's authority...the completion of God's plan. Which is why I also asked, why did you insert the word 'back' into (Eph. 1:9-10).

Quantrill
 
the completion of God's plan. Which is why I also asked, why did you insert the word 'back' into (Eph. 1:9-10).
I used the word "back" because in the beginning all things were united with God until the fall of humanity.
 
I'm pretty sure that God is using Satan in order to work on us.

That doesn't answer my question. Why wouldn't your word 'back' refer to Lucifer's rebellion instead of Adams fall?

If 'all things' means 'all things' why does it refer only to Adam's fall, and not Lucifer's fall?

Quantrill
 
That doesn't answer my question. Why wouldn't your word 'back' refer to Lucifer's rebellion instead of Adams fall?

If 'all things' means 'all things' why does it refer only to Adam's fall, and not Lucifer's fall?

Quantrill

Lucifer/Satan, all the "fallen" angels, demons, etc., will be granted the ability to repent and they too will cheerfully submit to Jesus. All things! :)
 
From the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints point of view, this goes back to questions like,

If God is all powerful, all knowing, and all loving then why didn't God simply create us to be as perfect as himself?

We don't believe that God is all powerful in that he can do absolutely anything imaginable. We believe that God is all powerful in that He can do all that is possible to do. In other words, we believe that there are things that are eternally impossible even for God. We do not believe that God created all things from nothingness. We believe that matter has always existed and God, as a creator, organized chaotic matter into worlds and beings. We also believe that there is a part of mankind that has always existed beyond the matter that we are made of. We believe that mankind's intelligence has always existed and that God created mankind from self-existing intelligence and matter. We were organized through the process of procreation into spirit beings at first and then later we were organized into physical beings on this earth from a more coarse degree of matter and our spirit beings. God could never create matter nor could he create our self-existing intelligences. Because God could never create our intelligences, He could never create us to be perfect. For this reason He goes about getting us to progress by giving us free will and allowing us to choose to be a better being through our free will and choice. God has placed us on this temporary mortal world to experience good and evil and allows us to choose for ourselves good or evil. We actually are allowed to choose our future and where we will end up in eternity.

God knows that because we are eternal self-existing beings, that he cannot control the outcome of what manner of being we will become. If God were to force us to be good beings, we would only truly be slaves and not good beings in and of ourselves. Thus the importance of giving each of us free will so that we can choose in and of ourselves to be good beings. Thus in answer to your question, "Will God get what God wants or will Jesus FAIL?", I say that God hopes that we will all use our free will to always choose good, but He knows that we have free will and it is up to us to make that decision. He has provided the way for all of us to gain eternal life, but it is really up to us regarding what manner of mankind we will become. Many are called but few are chosen because only a few will make the right choice to repent and overcome this world of wickedness.
 
Does this mean that all will be in Heaven with God?
Good question. All will be within God's domain; however, Heaven (the great peaceful unity we imagine) may not be part of every soul's destiny.
 
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From the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints point of view...

From their point of view does Hell exist? Do they believe in life after death and how is that achieved, please?
 
Good question. All will be within God's domain; however, Heaven (the great peaceful unity we imagine) may not be part of every soul's destiny.

Every "thing" is already in God's domain. Jesus came to unite ALL THINGS to God. Do you believe that will happen? Most Christian believe that Jesus fails miserably and that Jesus then throws souls into a forever torture chamber that makes Auschwitz look like a Girl Scout camp. I certainly don't share that doctrine.
 
From their point of view does Hell exist? Do they believe in life after death and how is that achieved, please?
Yes, there is a Hell. Thanks be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, all mankind will resurrect from the dead and receive immortal bodies of flesh and bone to live for all eternity. Where we go after being resurrected depends on what manner of mankind we chose to be. It has been revealed through prophets that there are three degrees of glory that on can be resurrected to. The highest degree of glory is the celestial kingdom of God. This is where God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost reside. It is also known as the kingdom of heaven. This where the righteous will go and they who have followed after Jesus and repented of their sins and sought to keep the commandments of God in this life. The next degree of glory is the terrestrial kingdom of God. In this kingdom of glory you will find those who basically lived a good life but did not accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. The next degree of glory is the telestial kingdom of God. In this kingdom you will find those who would not repent but lived bad lives and considered the wicked of the world. Finally there is a kingdom without glory known as outer darkness where Satan and his minions will be consigned to go and all those on this earth who become sons of perdition. A son of perdition is one who receives the light of Christ and knows of God and receives the Holy Ghost but then comes out in open rebellion against God just as Lucifer and his minions did in the war in heaven. The telestial kingdom is a type of hell and outer darkness is pure hell. All beings live eternally for from the time their spirits were born they are eternal beings. For more on the various kingdoms after this life see Doctrine and Covenants 76
 
A son of perdition is one who receives the light of Christ and knows of God and receives the Holy Ghost but then comes out in open rebellion against God just as Lucifer and his minions did in the war in heaven.

Do people ever get out of Hell?
 
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