It is already happening, inflation, get ready for Trump inflation.

[Winston]

Lets start with the later first. When tax rates are right at the peak of that infamous Laffer curve it means we are collecting the most revenue with the least amount of negative impact on the economy. It is at the most efficient point.

Most efficient what?

As we stray away from that peak, on either side of the curve, the taxes begin to disrupt the economy.

Where does the Laffer Curve mention "taxes disrupt the economy"?

But stock buybacks are primarily a means of manipulating stock prices in order to inflate executive compensation and reward investment bankers and hedge fund managers.

If Clinton hadn't made cash compensation over $1 million non-deductible, that might be less of an issue, right?
Let's reverse that. Does that sound good to you?

In reality, a stock buyback is an open admission by the company that they cannot find any acceptable capital
investments and are therefore giving the money back to the shareholders.

There are worse things to do with money than giving it back to the owners.
It's preferable to using it to build wasteful conglomerates.
Or building giant corporate HQs (cough..Bear Stearns..cough)
Now how can that be? You claim the corporate tax cut increases capital investment

Well, if you can show that more capital investment occurs at an 80% rate than at a 20% rate, I might change my tune.

First, I will agree to rescinding Clinton's cap on the deduction of cash compensation if you can agree to the elimination of SEC 10b-18. Companies would have to account for cash compensation in SEC filings like the 10-K, they don't have to account for stock option liabilities. That should change too. As an investor I believe you agree.

I will not play the 80 verses 20 gain, both levels are at the far end of the curve and far away from the peak, which most economist believe is somewhere around 40%, the Fifties kind of pan that out. Same holds true for income tax levels, although they probably hit the top of the curve at around 65%.

And sorry, but I kind of like 383 Madison avenue, and it had little to nothing to do with Bear Stearns' collapse. Seems to suit JP Morgan Chase quite well.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First, I will agree to rescinding Clinton's cap on the deduction of cash compensation if you can agree to the elimination of SEC 10b-18. Companies would have to account for cash compensation in SEC filings like the 10-K, they don't have to account for stock option liabilities. That should change too. As an investor I believe you agree.

I will not play the 80 verses 20 gain, both levels are at the far end of the curve and far away from the peak, which most economist believe is somewhere around 40%, the Fifties kind of pan that out. Same holds true for income tax levels, although they probably hit the top of the curve at around 65%.

And sorry, but I kind of like 383 Madison avenue, and it had little to nothing to do with Bear Stearns' collapse. Seems to suit JP Morgan Chase quite well.

First, I will agree to rescinding Clinton's cap on the deduction of cash compensation

Excellent.

if you can agree to the elimination of SEC 10b-18.

Nope.

Companies would have to account for cash compensation in SEC filings like the 10-K,

They already do.

don't have to account for stock option liabilities.

But they do account for stock option liabilities.


I will not play the 80 verses 20 gain, both levels are at the far end of the curve and far away from the peak, which most economist believe is somewhere around 40%,

I don't GAF about the peak, I want you to prove your claim that higher tax rates lead to more investment.

 

[FA_Q2]

So now we are blaming thigs on the president BEFORE he takes office? How asinine.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Economists warn Trump’s policies will trigger inflation

US president-elect won on claims he could rid of high prices yet many analysts think he will do the opposite

www.ft.com

I have been pretty busy since election day, but today I stayed home and did some research.

I posted a couple of threads during the presidential race indicating that Trump's proposals were highly inflationary, but I didn't think it would start this quickly. Let's look at some of his priorities and how they will impact inflation. Let us start with making the Trump taxcuts permanent.

That proposal alone adds one trillion dollars a year to the deficit. Just to let you know, the deficit for the 2024 budget was projected at 1.8 trillion. That is more than a fifty percent increase, think that might be inflationary? Does anyone think there will be a one trillion dollar reduction in spending? Seriously?

Outside of cutting SNAP benefits, eliminating free lunch programs for millions of indigent children, eliminating aid to Ukraine, and eliminating the Department of Education, I don't see any real proposals to cut spending. And the later, well it is going to end up costing all of us through higher property and sales taxes.

Listening to Trump on the campaign trail, well he leads you to believe that the entire budget of the Department of Education is spent on the salaries of bureaucrats. That is just not the case. The federal government accounts for over ten percent of the funding of public schools, and in low-income and rural areas it is much higher. If that is eliminated it will have to be replaced, at least to some degree. That means you are going to pay for it through higher local and state taxes.

Then there are tariffs. I mean you are living in a fantasy world if you believe what Trump says, those foreign countries will pay the cost. It just doesn't work that way, it is basic Macroeconomics. Sure, it might motivate more people to "buy American", but then again, why should we need tariffs for that? What happened to patriotism? Walmart famously tried the concept, posting American made signs beside merchandise made in America. That went over like a turd in a punchbowl and was quickly eliminated. Nobody really cared, they wanted cheap. Well, those tariffs will take "cheap" off the table.

Then there is that mass deportation. Sounds good. Russia and Germany sure bud liked the idea before and during WWII. But that comes at a cost, and it severely cuts the labor force. And sorry, some jobs Americans are not going to do no matter how much they get paid. I mean around here there is a huge immigrant labor force working the fields. They drive Hummers and F-250's, obviously they are making good money. You are looking at food shortages for everything from tomatoes to leaf lettuce. That is going to drive prices up.

But anyways, like I said, it has already started. This morning the first thing I thought of was the rating agencies. I was like, damn, they need to make a statement. Warn of a downgrade if Trump's initiatives are carried out. Well damn, they have.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-fiscal-health-risks-increase-after-trump-election-says-moodys-2024-11-08/

And mortgage rates, yep, done deal.

Mortgage rates surge higher on Trump victory, causing housing stocks to fall

Lennar, D.R. Horton and PulteGroup were all down Wednesday. Retailers Home Depot and Lowe’s were also lower.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish. You got it Mr. Limpet, and it ain't going to be pretty.

/—-/ Biden kept most of Trump’s tariffs and added two more.
Any fake outrage over that?

 

[Winston]

First, I will agree to rescinding Clinton's cap on the deduction of cash compensation

Excellent.

if you can agree to the elimination of SEC 10b-18.

Nope.

Companies would have to account for cash compensation in SEC filings like the 10-K,

They already do.

don't have to account for stock option liabilities.

But they do account for stock option liabilities.


I will not play the 80 verses 20 gain, both levels are at the far end of the curve and far away from the peak, which most economist believe is somewhere around 40%,

I don't GAF about the peak, I want you to prove your claim that higher tax rates lead to more investment.

Item 402 of Regulation S-K - Executive Compensation

www.sec.gov

No, companies don't have to expose stock options liabilities on their 10-K, and that is critical to our discussion, and a problem. Furthermore, your unwillingness to accept a revocation of SEC 10B-18 is seriously concerning. Seems to me it is a fair tradeoff.

 

[Winston]

So now we are blaming thigs on the president BEFORE he takes office? How asinine.

Not really, Moody's and Fitch's signal that they may downgrade federal debt is directly related to Trump's proposals. The spike in mortgage rates, and the collapse of the bond market, is directly related to Trump's perceived course of action. The markets don't react to today, they react to tomorrow. That is just basic.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Damn you stupid shit, both Fitch and Moody's have warned of a possible downgrade of the Federal government's financial condition. Do you know what that would do to the cost of financing our debt?

Now, come up with at least something that resembles a rebuttal or get the hell out of my thread.

Rebuttal is simple, everything about you Democracks is what's "going to happen", free of what will be, denial of what has been, supported by left-TDS-propaganda, fluff.

Don't be burdened by the past, just make shit up as you go.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Item 402 of Regulation S-K - Executive Compensation

www.sec.gov

No, companies don't have to expose stock options liabilities on their 10-K, and that is critical to our discussion, and a problem. Furthermore, your unwillingness to accept a revocation of SEC 10B-18 is seriously concerning. Seems to me it is a fair tradeoff.

Where does item 402 support your claim?

DEF 14A

^This report is lousy with executive compensation.

Furthermore, your unwillingness to accept a revocation of SEC 10B-18 is seriously concerning. Seems to me it is a fair tradeoff.

Nah.

 

[Care4all]

So, there hasn't been inflation for the past several years?!

OP is Special. They tells him what he knows, and that can change from day to day and even conflict.

Because it's just all bullshit.

There has been, and you all bitched about it 24/7 and now you are cheering DOUBLING the inflationary rates we barely lived through because Trump is doing it? Really?

 

[justoffal]

Inflation is perfectly acceptable when ones party, er cult is in charge. Nothing new to see here. If

Bull....if Trumps presence doesn't do something tangible like begin to affect grocery prices the very same people who put him there will vote against him mid term....bet on it.

 

[justoffal]

There has been, and you all bitched about it 24/7 and now you are cheering DOUBLING the inflationary rates we barely lived through because Trump is doing it? Really?

Wait for it to happen before you moan....
It may go the other way.

 

[eagle1462010]

Economists warn Trump’s policies will trigger inflation

US president-elect won on claims he could rid of high prices yet many analysts think he will do the opposite

www.ft.com

I have been pretty busy since election day, but today I stayed home and did some research.

I posted a couple of threads during the presidential race indicating that Trump's proposals were highly inflationary, but I didn't think it would start this quickly. Let's look at some of his priorities and how they will impact inflation. Let us start with making the Trump taxcuts permanent.

That proposal alone adds one trillion dollars a year to the deficit. Just to let you know, the deficit for the 2024 budget was projected at 1.8 trillion. That is more than a fifty percent increase, think that might be inflationary? Does anyone think there will be a one trillion dollar reduction in spending? Seriously?

Outside of cutting SNAP benefits, eliminating free lunch programs for millions of indigent children, eliminating aid to Ukraine, and eliminating the Department of Education, I don't see any real proposals to cut spending. And the later, well it is going to end up costing all of us through higher property and sales taxes.

Listening to Trump on the campaign trail, well he leads you to believe that the entire budget of the Department of Education is spent on the salaries of bureaucrats. That is just not the case. The federal government accounts for over ten percent of the funding of public schools, and in low-income and rural areas it is much higher. If that is eliminated it will have to be replaced, at least to some degree. That means you are going to pay for it through higher local and state taxes.

Then there are tariffs. I mean you are living in a fantasy world if you believe what Trump says, those foreign countries will pay the cost. It just doesn't work that way, it is basic Macroeconomics. Sure, it might motivate more people to "buy American", but then again, why should we need tariffs for that? What happened to patriotism? Walmart famously tried the concept, posting American made signs beside merchandise made in America. That went over like a turd in a punchbowl and was quickly eliminated. Nobody really cared, they wanted cheap. Well, those tariffs will take "cheap" off the table.

Then there is that mass deportation. Sounds good. Russia and Germany sure bud liked the idea before and during WWII. But that comes at a cost, and it severely cuts the labor force. And sorry, some jobs Americans are not going to do no matter how much they get paid. I mean around here there is a huge immigrant labor force working the fields. They drive Hummers and F-250's, obviously they are making good money. You are looking at food shortages for everything from tomatoes to leaf lettuce. That is going to drive prices up.

But anyways, like I said, it has already started. This morning the first thing I thought of was the rating agencies. I was like, damn, they need to make a statement. Warn of a downgrade if Trump's initiatives are carried out. Well damn, they have.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-fiscal-health-risks-increase-after-trump-election-says-moodys-2024-11-08/

And mortgage rates, yep, done deal.

Mortgage rates surge higher on Trump victory, causing housing stocks to fall

Lennar, D.R. Horton and PulteGroup were all down Wednesday. Retailers Home Depot and Lowe’s were also lower.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish. You got it Mr. Limpet, and it ain't going to be pretty.

Where DA FCK YOU BEEN..

Years of Inflation with your Heroes.

 

[krichton]

Sorry, I have a life. The answer is simple. Foreign countries are not going to cut their prices to offset the tariffs. And yes, some companies will attempt to absorb some of the cost, but most companies will simply pass it on to the consumers. Furthermore, the cost of labor will increase if companies expand production. They will need more workers.

On the other hand, the majority of the burden of an increased corporate tax rate is borne by the shareholders and the company. They want to be price competitive, and that only increases as the corporate tax increases. Like I have explained, corporate tax cuts encourage collusion and market consolidation. I mean the gorilla in the room is this, where were the price cuts resulting from the corporate tax cut? Did the corporations pass those savings on to consumers? Then how did we get this inflation? Did it increase capital investment, did it increase production, did it increase employment. Hell no, not even a little bit.

48,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Trump a full year before even covid hit.

 

[eagle1462010]

48,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Trump a full year before even covid hit.

LIAR

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

 

[struth]

48,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Trump a full year before even covid hit.

Harris claims Trump lost manufacturing jobs. Is that true? Here's a fact check.

Harris often cites accurate figures but omits that the pandemic caused manufacturing job losses in Trump's final year in office.

www.cbsnews.com

Missing a little context there...
By March 2020, the U.S. had seen a net gain of over 350,000 manufacturing job gains during Trump's term in office.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

data.bls.gov

That's was a debunked Harris lie....debunked by even CBS

Harris claims Trump lost manufacturing jobs. Is that true? Here's a fact check.

Harris often cites accurate figures but omits that the pandemic caused manufacturing job losses in Trump's final year in office.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[justoffal]

48,000 manufacturing jobs were lost under Trump a full year before even covid hit.

Yes the outflow of offshoring is difficult to cope with. Will take years to turn around and should be met with financial penalties. Don't worry it's coming.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Economists warn Trump’s policies will trigger inflation

US president-elect won on claims he could rid of high prices yet many analysts think he will do the opposite

www.ft.com

I have been pretty busy since election day, but today I stayed home and did some research.

I posted a couple of threads during the presidential race indicating that Trump's proposals were highly inflationary, but I didn't think it would start this quickly. Let's look at some of his priorities and how they will impact inflation. Let us start with making the Trump taxcuts permanent.

That proposal alone adds one trillion dollars a year to the deficit. Just to let you know, the deficit for the 2024 budget was projected at 1.8 trillion. That is more than a fifty percent increase, think that might be inflationary? Does anyone think there will be a one trillion dollar reduction in spending? Seriously?

Outside of cutting SNAP benefits, eliminating free lunch programs for millions of indigent children, eliminating aid to Ukraine, and eliminating the Department of Education, I don't see any real proposals to cut spending. And the later, well it is going to end up costing all of us through higher property and sales taxes.

Listening to Trump on the campaign trail, well he leads you to believe that the entire budget of the Department of Education is spent on the salaries of bureaucrats. That is just not the case. The federal government accounts for over ten percent of the funding of public schools, and in low-income and rural areas it is much higher. If that is eliminated it will have to be replaced, at least to some degree. That means you are going to pay for it through higher local and state taxes.

Then there are tariffs. I mean you are living in a fantasy world if you believe what Trump says, those foreign countries will pay the cost. It just doesn't work that way, it is basic Macroeconomics. Sure, it might motivate more people to "buy American", but then again, why should we need tariffs for that? What happened to patriotism? Walmart famously tried the concept, posting American made signs beside merchandise made in America. That went over like a turd in a punchbowl and was quickly eliminated. Nobody really cared, they wanted cheap. Well, those tariffs will take "cheap" off the table.

Then there is that mass deportation. Sounds good. Russia and Germany sure bud liked the idea before and during WWII. But that comes at a cost, and it severely cuts the labor force. And sorry, some jobs Americans are not going to do no matter how much they get paid. I mean around here there is a huge immigrant labor force working the fields. They drive Hummers and F-250's, obviously they are making good money. You are looking at food shortages for everything from tomatoes to leaf lettuce. That is going to drive prices up.

But anyways, like I said, it has already started. This morning the first thing I thought of was the rating agencies. I was like, damn, they need to make a statement. Warn of a downgrade if Trump's initiatives are carried out. Well damn, they have.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-fiscal-health-risks-increase-after-trump-election-says-moodys-2024-11-08/

And mortgage rates, yep, done deal.

Mortgage rates surge higher on Trump victory, causing housing stocks to fall

Lennar, D.R. Horton and PulteGroup were all down Wednesday. Retailers Home Depot and Lowe’s were also lower.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish. You got it Mr. Limpet, and it ain't going to be pretty.

Brought to you by the 51 US Intel Agents tell us Hunter's laptop is Russian Disinformation Company

 

[Edgetho]

Economists warn Trump’s policies will trigger inflation

US president-elect won on claims he could rid of high prices yet many analysts think he will do the opposite

www.ft.com

I have been pretty busy since election day, but today I stayed home and did some research.

I posted a couple of threads during the presidential race indicating that Trump's proposals were highly inflationary, but I didn't think it would start this quickly. Let's look at some of his priorities and how they will impact inflation. Let us start with making the Trump taxcuts permanent.

That proposal alone adds one trillion dollars a year to the deficit. Just to let you know, the deficit for the 2024 budget was projected at 1.8 trillion. That is more than a fifty percent increase, think that might be inflationary? Does anyone think there will be a one trillion dollar reduction in spending? Seriously?

Outside of cutting SNAP benefits, eliminating free lunch programs for millions of indigent children, eliminating aid to Ukraine, and eliminating the Department of Education, I don't see any real proposals to cut spending. And the later, well it is going to end up costing all of us through higher property and sales taxes.

Listening to Trump on the campaign trail, well he leads you to believe that the entire budget of the Department of Education is spent on the salaries of bureaucrats. That is just not the case. The federal government accounts for over ten percent of the funding of public schools, and in low-income and rural areas it is much higher. If that is eliminated it will have to be replaced, at least to some degree. That means you are going to pay for it through higher local and state taxes.

Then there are tariffs. I mean you are living in a fantasy world if you believe what Trump says, those foreign countries will pay the cost. It just doesn't work that way, it is basic Macroeconomics. Sure, it might motivate more people to "buy American", but then again, why should we need tariffs for that? What happened to patriotism? Walmart famously tried the concept, posting American made signs beside merchandise made in America. That went over like a turd in a punchbowl and was quickly eliminated. Nobody really cared, they wanted cheap. Well, those tariffs will take "cheap" off the table.

Then there is that mass deportation. Sounds good. Russia and Germany sure bud liked the idea before and during WWII. But that comes at a cost, and it severely cuts the labor force. And sorry, some jobs Americans are not going to do no matter how much they get paid. I mean around here there is a huge immigrant labor force working the fields. They drive Hummers and F-250's, obviously they are making good money. You are looking at food shortages for everything from tomatoes to leaf lettuce. That is going to drive prices up.

But anyways, like I said, it has already started. This morning the first thing I thought of was the rating agencies. I was like, damn, they need to make a statement. Warn of a downgrade if Trump's initiatives are carried out. Well damn, they have.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-fiscal-health-risks-increase-after-trump-election-says-moodys-2024-11-08/

And mortgage rates, yep, done deal.

Mortgage rates surge higher on Trump victory, causing housing stocks to fall

Lennar, D.R. Horton and PulteGroup were all down Wednesday. Retailers Home Depot and Lowe’s were also lower.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I wish, I wish, I wish I were a fish. You got it Mr. Limpet, and it ain't going to be pretty.

From the same people that predicted a dimocrap scum victory

 

[Lesh]

OK, same amount of goods, but more dollars, just like you said. More dollars chasing the same amount of goods is inflationary. Damn, this is some simple ass shit.

He sees things backwards

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Great, let's talk about the corporate tax cut coming down the pipe. How did that work out last time? Look, you have already demonstrated you don't know jtackshit about corporate finance, probably don't even know what a Monte Carlo demonstration is. Fine, we can move on. But surely you no the definition of a curve. It is called the Laffer curve, do you really thing the inflection point of that curve is under 25%?

Winston . You're a dumb ass.