Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[Hossfly]

Nice song and dance, but irrelevant.

try again what was IRRELEVANT was your post regarding the birth places of the people who fought for the independence of Israel and the right of jews to live free of the oppression you support Here is a bit of news for you-----Israel exists on the backs of the jews who escaped MUSLIM OPPRESSION Some of the earliers cities of MODERN ISRAEL were founded by those escapees ----look to the history of RISHON Le TZION 1882 (translatation----"at the first---those who arrived in zion") Try to keep in mind---palestine was INVADED BY THE DOGS OF ARABIA only a few centuries earlier

Foreigners do not have rights.

Your opinion only

 

[P F Tinmore]

try again what was IRRELEVANT was your post regarding the birth places of the people who fought for the independence of Israel and the right of jews to live free of the oppression you support Here is a bit of news for you-----Israel exists on the backs of the jews who escaped MUSLIM OPPRESSION Some of the earliers cities of MODERN ISRAEL were founded by those escapees ----look to the history of RISHON Le TZION 1882 (translatation----"at the first---those who arrived in zion") Try to keep in mind---palestine was INVADED BY THE DOGS OF ARABIA only a few centuries earlier

Foreigners do not have rights.

Your opinion only

Not so.

“By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.”

It is clearly illegal under international law to deprive a people of their right to self-determination by using forcible actions including use of violence.

The right to self-determination - IHL

Show me something that says foreigners have rights.

 

[Roudy]

Right Israel exists as an assertion of the RIGHTS OF THE JEWS LIVING IN THE LAND MASS CALLED PALESTINE and the ESCAPEES FROM THE FILTH OF SHARIAH OPPRESSION in the neighboring shariah cesspits SOUTHERN SUDAN EXISTS in sudan as an assertion of the rights of non muslims living in the land called Sudan Hopefully----someday there will be a country in the middle east which exists for the rights of christian who have survived the filth of shariah ------and a country for the people called KURDS who have the right to exist free of the filth of arab oppression

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Was Arafart the founder of the Palestinian movement "born in Palestine"? Nope, he was born and raised in Egypt. The Palestinians have more holes in their claims than Swiss Cheese.

 

[Roudy]

Nice song and dance, but irrelevant.

try again what was IRRELEVANT was your post regarding the birth places of the people who fought for the independence of Israel and the right of jews to live free of the oppression you support Here is a bit of news for you-----Israel exists on the backs of the jews who escaped MUSLIM OPPRESSION Some of the earliers cities of MODERN ISRAEL were founded by those escapees ----look to the history of RISHON Le TZION 1882 (translatation----"at the first---those who arrived in zion") Try to keep in mind---palestine was INVADED BY THE DOGS OF ARABIA only a few centuries earlier

Foreigners do not have rights.

That's right, all the Arab invaders and squatters need to go back to where they came from.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Right Israel exists as an assertion of the RIGHTS OF THE JEWS LIVING IN THE LAND MASS CALLED PALESTINE and the ESCAPEES FROM THE FILTH OF SHARIAH OPPRESSION in the neighboring shariah cesspits SOUTHERN SUDAN EXISTS in sudan as an assertion of the rights of non muslims living in the land called Sudan Hopefully----someday there will be a country in the middle east which exists for the rights of christian who have survived the filth of shariah ------and a country for the people called KURDS who have the right to exist free of the filth of arab oppression

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Was Arafart the founder of the Palestinian movement "born in Palestine"? Nope, he was born and raised in Egypt. The Palestinians have more holes in their claims than Swiss Cheese.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Roudy]

These are several of the more cogent responses that Reabhloideach has received for his patient attempts to feed these people the answer to the questions that he poses. Reabhloideach give it a break these people are incapable of answering any questions other then what is 1+1, and every other day they get that one wrong. The only mistake that you made ( one that I make almost every day) is that you try to talk to them in a rational manner. They are so threatened by reasoned discourse that their only response is to fall back on their own failed ideology and this usually results in insults and pornographic references and even those show a complete lack of creativity. Let me see if I can dumb it down for them;

1 ) who gives nations a right to exist ?

2 ) where is this right stated in law ?

3 ) does one nations right to exist trump other nations right to exist ?

4 ) how long does this right last and when does it start ?



These are open honest questions and I am looking for original ideas not old shop worn ideology. Thank You.

Apply the same questions to any country and the answer to those would be the same as Israel's. Except Israel's case is ten times stronger, since it never invaded or occupied another nation. It merely re established a homeland for the Jewish people in the land of its ancestors, from the remains of a fallen Ottoman Empire, 99% of the land going to Arabs and Muslims.

Muslims and anti Semites have a problem with a Jewish state being established in the ancient homeland of the Jews, in an all Muslim region? TOUGH SHIT.

i did ask the initial question generally and asked for an answer that would include all states.

so you believe NAZI germany, apartheid south africa, the confederate states of america, stalinist russia all had the right to exist.

the jews are indigenous to northern iraq.

ancient homelands, especially those a people have abandoned for millenia, mean nothing. the ancient homeland of the celts extended from ireland all the way across southern europe with the exception o the boot of italy. do you actually think the remaing celts, mainly in ireland and the highkands of scotland and the diaspora, have a right to occupy that land. splendid...
The Provisional IRA thanks you for your support.
signed: P O'Neill


not one single jew, who claim that israel has the right to exist, can explain what that concept entails.

you are not special to me. your people are not special to me. i was raised on anti-colonialism and told stories about how native peoples gained their freedoms from a very early age...why in the world do you think i should treat israel any differently. it is a state that has not yet gelled and it is a remnant o european colonialism

why are you so consumately arrogant that you think i should bow down and treat you differently than any other people. some colonisations can't be undone...those in the western hemisphere and australia, but israel can be and should be ondone and it is happening. it was doomed from the start. your people cannot even live with each other in peace. don't you think israel's neighbours see that.

so, if i don't treat jews as special people, i am an anti-semite. yrah. sure. guess what...don't care anymore. you guys call everyone an anti-semite if they don't agree with every little thing that israel or the jews say.

You reason like a lunatic as well. Israel's right to exist is the same as all other nations. The reason it is brought up often with regards to Israel is mainly because it's enemies and anti Semites like yourself refuse to even acknowledge it as a legitimate nation, as you just did.

Israel will exist and remain a prosperous, advanced, vibrant nation. You anti Semites remind me of dogs that keep humping their masters leg. You just don't know any better.

 

[irosie91]

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Was Arafart the founder of the Palestinian movement "born in Palestine"? Nope, he was born and raised in Egypt. The Palestinians have more holes in their claims than Swiss Cheese.

What does that have to do with anything?

It was obviously important to arafart-----he lied and claimed to have been born in Jerusalem ------if it was not important to him----why would he have lied about it?

 

[Roudy]

Right Israel exists as an assertion of the RIGHTS OF THE JEWS LIVING IN THE LAND MASS CALLED PALESTINE and the ESCAPEES FROM THE FILTH OF SHARIAH OPPRESSION in the neighboring shariah cesspits SOUTHERN SUDAN EXISTS in sudan as an assertion of the rights of non muslims living in the land called Sudan Hopefully----someday there will be a country in the middle east which exists for the rights of christian who have survived the filth of shariah ------and a country for the people called KURDS who have the right to exist free of the filth of arab oppression

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Hey here's a newsflash for Tinmore the Hamas terrorist propagandist...A PALESTINIAN STATE OR NATION HAS NEVER EXISTED IN HISTORY, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

That, you can take to the bank.

 

[Roudy]

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Was Arafart the founder of the Palestinian movement "born in Palestine"? Nope, he was born and raised in Egypt. The Palestinians have more holes in their claims than Swiss Cheese.

What does that have to do with anything?

Didn't you just say two posts ago that "foreigners do not have rights"?! Now you're gonna have to swallow those words. The founder of the Palestinian movement was a "foreigner" from Egypt.

What the ****? Ha ha ha!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Was Arafart the founder of the Palestinian movement "born in Palestine"? Nope, he was born and raised in Egypt. The Palestinians have more holes in their claims than Swiss Cheese.

What does that have to do with anything?

It was obviously important to arafart-----he lied and claimed to have been born in Jerusalem ------if it was not important to him----why would he have lied about it?

And this is relevant how?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Was Arafart the founder of the Palestinian movement "born in Palestine"? Nope, he was born and raised in Egypt. The Palestinians have more holes in their claims than Swiss Cheese.

What does that have to do with anything?

Didn't you just say two posts ago that "foreigners do not have rights"?! Now you're gonna have to swallow those words. The founder of the Palestinian movement was a "foreigner" from Egypt.

What the ****? Ha ha ha!

Cool, then everything he signed with Israel, like Oslo, are illegitimate and void.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Right Israel exists as an assertion of the RIGHTS OF THE JEWS LIVING IN THE LAND MASS CALLED PALESTINE and the ESCAPEES FROM THE FILTH OF SHARIAH OPPRESSION in the neighboring shariah cesspits SOUTHERN SUDAN EXISTS in sudan as an assertion of the rights of non muslims living in the land called Sudan Hopefully----someday there will be a country in the middle east which exists for the rights of christian who have survived the filth of shariah ------and a country for the people called KURDS who have the right to exist free of the filth of arab oppression

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Hey here's a newsflash for Tinmore the Hamas terrorist propagandist...A PALESTINIAN STATE OR NATION HAS NEVER EXISTED IN HISTORY, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

That, you can take to the bank.

It doesn't matter. The right to self determination exists separate from statehood.

 

[irosie91]

Whatever, Israel is an illegal foreign intervention.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

Hey here's a newsflash for Tinmore the Hamas terrorist propagandist...A PALESTINIAN STATE OR NATION HAS NEVER EXISTED IN HISTORY, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

That, you can take to the bank.

It doesn't matter. The right to self determination exists separate from statehood.

Good point----the jews of the middle east have a right to SELF DETERMINATION as do the hindus of india and the SIKHS OF PUNJAB

 

[Roudy]

What does that have to do with anything?

It was obviously important to arafart-----he lied and claimed to have been born in Jerusalem ------if it was not important to him----why would he have lied about it?

And this is relevant how?

Arafat was born and raised in Cairo, got his degree in Egypt in 1956, moved to Kuwait and worked as a contractor. He started making money by selling weapons to Arabs who wanted to kill Jews. Once he realized the money making potential, he moved to Israel in 1964 and became a permanent revolutionary, creating a fictional Palestinian name for the Arabs and his movement. He died having stolen billion of his "people's" money, his wife hiding in Paris, refuses to send a dime nor will she set foot among "Palestinans".

Get it? It's all crap from top to bottom.

 

[Roudy]

What does that have to do with anything?

Didn't you just say two posts ago that "foreigners do not have rights"?! Now you're gonna have to swallow those words. The founder of the Palestinian movement was a "foreigner" from Egypt.

What the ****? Ha ha ha!

Cool, then everything he signed with Israel, like Oslo, are illegitimate and void.

Since when did Palestinians stand by anything they signed?

 

[Billo_Really]

Didn't you just say two posts ago that "foreigners do not have rights"?! Now you're gonna have to swallow those words. The founder of the Palestinian movement was a "foreigner" from Egypt.

What the ****? Ha ha ha!

Cool, then everything he signed with Israel, like Oslo, are illegitimate and void.

Since when did Palestinians stand by anything they signed?

You think having cool avatars makes you a cool guy?

 

[Roudy]

Cool, then everything he signed with Israel, like Oslo, are illegitimate and void.

Since when did Palestinians stand by anything they signed?

You think having cool avatars makes you a cool guy?

Yeah let's talk about avatars! That's just about the lamest diversion attempt I have ever witnessed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hey here's a newsflash for Tinmore the Hamas terrorist propagandist...A PALESTINIAN STATE OR NATION HAS NEVER EXISTED IN HISTORY, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

That, you can take to the bank.

It doesn't matter. The right to self determination exists separate from statehood.

Good point----the jews of the middle east have a right to SELF DETERMINATION as do the hindus of india and the SIKHS OF PUNJAB

All the Jews who were Palestinian citizens had the same right to self determination in Palestine as the other Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was obviously important to arafart-----he lied and claimed to have been born in Jerusalem ------if it was not important to him----why would he have lied about it?

And this is relevant how?

Arafat was born and raised in Cairo, got his degree in Egypt in 1956, moved to Kuwait and worked as a contractor. He started making money by selling weapons to Arabs who wanted to kill Jews. Once he realized the money making potential, he moved to Israel in 1964 and became a permanent revolutionary, creating a fictional Palestinian name for the Arabs and his movement. He died having stolen billion of his "people's" money, his wife hiding in Paris, refuses to send a dime nor will she set foot among "Palestinans".

Get it? It's all crap from top to bottom.

Arafat was interested in Arafat. He sold his people out when Israel brought him back to Palestine.

 

[irosie91]

It doesn't matter. The right to self determination exists separate from statehood.

Good point----the jews of the middle east have a right to SELF DETERMINATION as do the hindus of india and the SIKHS OF PUNJAB

All the Jews who were Palestinian citizens had the same right to self determination in Palestine as the other Palestinians.

Could you define that term "PALESTINIAN CITIZEN" for me? Before 1948 and for the preceding 2000 years the ONLY PEOPLE CALLED "PALESTINIANS" were jews arabs did not become "palestinians" until well into the 1960s I have relatives who were born before 1948 and who lived in palestine------who still have papers marked "PALESTINIAN" a mark that never appeared on the governmental papers of any muslim at that time For your own interest go to a library that has been around for a long time-----take a look at microfilmed periodicals----look for the "TRAVEL" stuff then look for the word PALESTINIAN -------please note-----that "palestinian" is a jew if it refers to a person. If it refers to a school------its a jewish school If it refers to a hospital-----its a jewish hospital Are you suggesting that ONLY JEWS HAVE RIGHTS in the land mass that had been called "palestine" for about 2000 years? gee---you are a radical zionist