Israel’s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle

[Penelope]

Israel’s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM — Divisions within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's governing coalition delayed on Sunday a preliminary vote on a proposed law to declare Israel the nation-state of the Jewish people.
In now-frozen peace talks, Palestinians had rejected Netanyahu's demand that they recognise Israel as a Jewish state. Legislators from the country's Arab minority have described the bill as racist.
Netanyahu opened the weekly Cabinet meeting on Sunday by promising to "move forward on the nationality law" proposed by his right-wing Likud Party and far-right allies.
The Israeli leader said it was time for the country’s courts, which have been attacked by some ultranationalists as supportive of Palestinian land rights, “to recognise the aspect of our being the nation state of the Jewish people”.

Israel s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle The Jordan Times

With the discussions of the last two few days on the religious board and here, we can decide if the Jews are a race or a religion, so this is a nonsense debate.

This is very racist as well, I think Germany should declare themselves a German state, and kick all the returning Jews looking for a better life out, How is that, now that they are flocking there once again.

 

[Lipush]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

 

[frigidweirdo]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

 

[Sunni Man]

Israel's blatant apartheid marches onward..........

 

[Lipush]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

 

[frigidweirdo]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

 

[Lipush]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

Yes.

Are there any rights given to Israeli Jews, that are denied from Israeli non-Jews?

 

[Daniyel]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

It couldnt be a status quo then.

 

[Penelope]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

Yes.

Are there any rights given to Israeli Jews, that are denied from Israeli non-Jews?

Well now we need to define who is an Israeli , don't we, (according to you Jew is a religion, or a person who practices Judaism since you are a convert- Is this correct)

Whose does the Israeli people include?

 

[Kondor3]

The corresponding state of affairs in the homeland of Islam...

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion. Although no law requires citizens or passport holders to be Muslim, almost all citizens are Muslims. Children born to Muslim fathers are by law deemed Muslim, and conversion from Islam to another religion is considered apostasy and punishable by death. Blasphemy against Sunni Islam is also punishable by death, but the more common penalty is a long prison sentence. There have been no confirmed reports of executions for either apostasy or blasphemy in recent years.[1]

Religious freedom is virtually non-existent.[2] The Government does not provide legal recognition or protection for freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice. As a matter of policy, the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims who gather in homes for religious practice; however, this right is not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.[3] Moreover, the public practice of non-Muslim religions is prohibited.[1] The Saudi Mutaween (Arabic: مطوعين), or Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (i.e., the religious police) enforces the prohibition on the public practice of non-Muslim religions. Sharia applies to all people inside Saudi Arabia, regardless of religion.

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Saudi Arabia is an Islamic monarchy and the Government has declared the Qur'an and the Sunnah (tradition) of Muhammad to be the country’s Constitution. Freedom of religion is severely limited. Islam is the official religion. Under the law, children born to Muslim fathers are also Muslim, regardless of the country or the religious tradition in which they have been raised. The Government prohibits the public practice of other religions but the government generally allows private practice of non-Muslim religions.[1] The Government bases its legitimacy on governance according to the precepts of the rigorously conservative and strict interpretation of the Salafi or Wahhabi school of the Sunni branch of Islam and discriminates against other branches of Islam. Neither the Government nor society in general accepts the concepts of separation of religion and state, and such separation does not exist.

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Freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

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Following this same logic, it would appear that the Motherland of Islam is ALSO 'racist' and ALSO practices 'apartheid', at a level FAR in excess of that which Muslims are attempting to castigate Israel for...

Rather like the 3-time-loser convicted Felon (Islam) reprimanding the Parking Ticket Violator... in a separatism-discrimination context.

Just tooooooooo pathetic (and comical) for words...

Face-palm time...

 

[Phoenall]

Israel’s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM — Divisions within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's governing coalition delayed on Sunday a preliminary vote on a proposed law to declare Israel the nation-state of the Jewish people.
In now-frozen peace talks, Palestinians had rejected Netanyahu's demand that they recognise Israel as a Jewish state. Legislators from the country's Arab minority have described the bill as racist.
Netanyahu opened the weekly Cabinet meeting on Sunday by promising to "move forward on the nationality law" proposed by his right-wing Likud Party and far-right allies.
The Israeli leader said it was time for the country’s courts, which have been attacked by some ultranationalists as supportive of Palestinian land rights, “to recognise the aspect of our being the nation state of the Jewish people”.

Israel s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle The Jordan Times

With the discussions of the last two few days on the religious board and here, we can decide if the Jews are a race or a religion, so this is a nonsense debate.

This is very racist as well, I think Germany should declare themselves a German state, and kick all the returning Jews looking for a better life out, How is that, now that they are flocking there once again.

How is it racist unless you want to define all the Islamic states as racist as well ?

For the record Germany is a German state, but German is not a race of religion but a country denominator.

Once again you fail to demonise the Jews because you don't have the intelligence to think it through, Israel has already been diegnated THE JEWISH STATE by the UN back in 1949

 

[Phoenall]

Israel's blatant apartheid marches onward..........

Another IDIOTIC muslim claiming that Palestine is Jewish, when it is ran by the P.A. who are clinging onto power

 

[Phoenall]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

It isnt as all races and religions have a place in Israeli society, the only way it could be seen as discriminatory would be in not demanding the non Jews do national service.

 

[Phoenall]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

Yes.

Are there any rights given to Israeli Jews, that are denied from Israeli non-Jews?

Well now we need to define who is an Israeli , don't we, (according to you Jew is a religion, or a person who practices Judaism since you are a convert- Is this correct)

Whose does the Israeli people include?

All races and all religions as laid out in their declaration of Independence. By proclaiming that Israel is to be recognised by its official UN title is NOT racist or discriminatory. The problem lies in the fact that if the muslims recognise Israel as a Jewish state they are giving up all claims to Israel as an Islamic state.

 

[Roudy]

Israel’s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM — Divisions within Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's governing coalition delayed on Sunday a preliminary vote on a proposed law to declare Israel the nation-state of the Jewish people.
In now-frozen peace talks, Palestinians had rejected Netanyahu's demand that they recognise Israel as a Jewish state. Legislators from the country's Arab minority have described the bill as racist.
Netanyahu opened the weekly Cabinet meeting on Sunday by promising to "move forward on the nationality law" proposed by his right-wing Likud Party and far-right allies.
The Israeli leader said it was time for the country’s courts, which have been attacked by some ultranationalists as supportive of Palestinian land rights, “to recognise the aspect of our being the nation state of the Jewish people”.

Israel s proposed Jewish nation-state law hits hurdle The Jordan Times

With the discussions of the last two few days on the religious board and here, we can decide if the Jews are a race or a religion, so this is a nonsense debate.

This is very racist as well, I think Germany should declare themselves a German state, and kick all the returning Jews looking for a better life out, How is that, now that they are flocking there once again.

"Occupied Jerusalem". What a ******* joke this article is. I'll print it and sell it as toilet paper.

 

[Grendelyn]

The corresponding state of affairs in the homeland of Islam...

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion. Although no law requires citizens or passport holders to be Muslim, almost all citizens are Muslims. Children born to Muslim fathers are by law deemed Muslim, and conversion from Islam to another religion is considered apostasy and punishable by death. Blasphemy against Sunni Islam is also punishable by death, but the more common penalty is a long prison sentence. There have been no confirmed reports of executions for either apostasy or blasphemy in recent years.[1]

Religious freedom is virtually non-existent.[2] The Government does not provide legal recognition or protection for freedom of religion, and it is severely restricted in practice. As a matter of policy, the Government guarantees and protects the right to private worship for all, including non-Muslims who gather in homes for religious practice; however, this right is not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.[3] Moreover, the public practice of non-Muslim religions is prohibited.[1] The Saudi Mutaween (Arabic: مطوعين), or Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (i.e., the religious police) enforces the prohibition on the public practice of non-Muslim religions. Sharia applies to all people inside Saudi Arabia, regardless of religion.

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Saudi Arabia is an Islamic monarchy and the Government has declared the Qur'an and the Sunnah (tradition) of Muhammad to be the country’s Constitution. Freedom of religion is severely limited. Islam is the official religion. Under the law, children born to Muslim fathers are also Muslim, regardless of the country or the religious tradition in which they have been raised. The Government prohibits the public practice of other religions but the government generally allows private practice of non-Muslim religions.[1] The Government bases its legitimacy on governance according to the precepts of the rigorously conservative and strict interpretation of the Salafi or Wahhabi school of the Sunni branch of Islam and discriminates against other branches of Islam. Neither the Government nor society in general accepts the concepts of separation of religion and state, and such separation does not exist.

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Following this same logic, it would appear that the Motherland of Islam is ALSO 'racist' and practices 'apartheid', at a level FAR in excess of that which Muslims are attempting to castigate Israel for...

Just tooooooooo comical for words...

I would agree, the Motherland of Islam is 'racist' and practices 'apartheid'. What's even more comical than what you state as being "Just tooooooooo comical for words," is that the Motherland of Judaism is doing her best to be just like her Islamic sister only does it while feigning freedom and democracy. ~ Susan

'All religions are evil.'​

 

[Lipush]

How is it racist? does Israel not define itself as a Jewish state?

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

Yes.

Are there any rights given to Israeli Jews, that are denied from Israeli non-Jews?

Well now we need to define who is an Israeli , don't we, (according to you Jew is a religion, or a person who practices Judaism since you are a convert- Is this correct)

Whose does the Israeli people include?

Well that depends on definition, and it's not my place to tell who is worthy of being called Israeli and who's not.

Fact that the law may point some issue doesn't mean it's not good.

 

[Penelope]

Racism seems to be the wrong word, though what they mean is that it's discriminatory, however racism is a more hard hitting word than discriminatory.

How is that discriminatory? it changes nothing in the status quo

You're assuming the status quo isn't discriminatory then?

Yes.

Are there any rights given to Israeli Jews, that are denied from Israeli non-Jews?

Well now we need to define who is an Israeli , don't we, (according to you Jew is a religion, or a person who practices Judaism since you are a convert- Is this correct)

Whose does the Israeli people include?

Well that depends on definition, and it's not my place to tell who is worthy of being called Israeli and who's not.

Fact that the law may point some issue doesn't mean it's not good.

I get confused with you, you say you became a Jew but your grandparents and your parents were sent to Israel, in the 1800's to work a farm. So you were born of a Jewish mother, and that would make you a Jew. You were born and raised there, so have every right to live there in my book, but when you said you became a Jew was it that you meant, you became a Jew who practiced Judaism? If this is too personal just say so.

 

[fanger]

Lipush has stated before that she was Adopted, all the Family she lays claim to are her adopted family

 

[Kondor3]

...On 3 August 2011, Dichter filed, together with another 39 Knesset members, the proposed Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People[1] which seeks to determine the nature of the state of Israel as the Jewish people, and as such it interprets the term "Jewish and democratic state" which appears in the Israeli basic laws Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation and Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty. According to the proposal, Israel will be defined as the nation state of the Jewish people, and in order to prevent Israel from becoming a Binational state, the proposal says that the right to self-determination in Israel would be unique to the Jewish people. The proposal also states that the state of Israel should establish ethnic communities where every resident can preserve its culture and heritage, that the Hebrew language would be considered the only official language of the state of Israel (while the Arabic language would be of a special status), that the Hebrew calendar would become the official calendar of the state of Israel, and that the Hebrew law would serve as an inspiration to Israeli legislators. The bill is currently in early legislative stages and still has not passed a preliminary reading...

The bill's clauses

• Sections 1-2 of the bill detail the principles for which the law was established: "Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people in which the Jewish people fulfill their ambition to self-determination according to their cultural and historical legacy."
• Section 3 regulates the state's symbols - the flag, the anthem and the Emblem of Israel.
• Section 4 stipulates that Hebrew is the only official language of the state of Israel while the Arabic language would be of a "special status".
• Section 5 establishes the Law of Return as part of Israel's Basic Laws.
• Sections 6-7 deal with the relations between the state of Israel and the Jewish diaspora as well as Israel's responsibility for in-gathering world Jewry.
• Sections 8-9 deal with the state's obligation to preserve the Jewish heritage.
• Sections 10-11-12 regulate the Hebrew calendar, holidays and memorial days.
• Section 13 - provides that in a case of a Laconic phrase in the Israeli law, the Israeli court system would use the Jewish law as a source of inspiration.
• Section 14 - deals with the state's obligation to protect the holy places of all faiths located within the territory of Israel.

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Basic Law proposal Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia