Israeli Army Forces Enter Gaza, Open Fire On Palestinian Farmers

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You know, that is a good question.

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

(COMMENT)

It is rather difficult to identify an organized group in the set of Arab Palestinians that don't actually support Jihadist concepts.

I don't know which Palestinian parties are non-Hostile (if any). I would think there must be a couple.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You know, that is a good question.

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

(COMMENT)

It is rather difficult to identify an organized group in the set of Arab Palestinians that don't actually support Jihadist concepts.

I don't know which Palestinian parties are non-Hostile (if any). I would think there must be a couple.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, it seems that most are hostile to the occupation.

So the occupation and it toadies call them terrorists.

 

[Billo_Really]

Edited out if you bother to look, the footage is disjointed and does not flow. There is no continuity as such and you see the same scene twice in many cases. I heard the command to turn around and the Palestinians refused, so the warning shots in the water were legal as they did not injure any of the fishermen.

What maritime law allows Israel to interfere with a boat sailing in its own territorial waters?

 

[Phoenall]

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

It is not name callers that decide they are terrorists, but nations that have teams of legal experts to settle the issue. So if the EU says that any Palestinian group that is aligned with a proven terrorist organisation is also terrorist who are we to argue.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You know, that is a good question.

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

(COMMENT)

It is rather difficult to identify an organized group in the set of Arab Palestinians that don't actually support Jihadist concepts.

I don't know which Palestinian parties are non-Hostile (if any). I would think there must be a couple.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, it seems that most are hostile to the occupation.

So the occupation and it toadies call them terrorists.

Firing rockets at civilians and targeting children are acts of terrorism, they are not hostilities towards the occupation. If the Palestinians want to end the occupation then they need to work within the framework of the UN charter and International Law.

 

[Billo_Really]

No matter what you might think, the Israelis tend to grow, expand and develop politically, intellectually and philosophically; the same cannot be said for the Palestinian.

These day's, Israel is developing more fascist and totalitarian, if you ask me.

Most of your commentary, about the make believe connection between the Irgun and the Likud was unsubstantiated nonsense and ignored.

Aside from the members of Irgun that were members of Likud.

But even if there were a connection by association,

WTF do mean, "if there was"? You mentioned it yourself a few posts ago.

those members of the Irgun, surviving today --- would be 80 years old plus today. Not much of a threat to the Arab Palestinian. But was we address how organizations evolve and develop in western like environments, the character of such organizations, which don't live in a vacuum, do change.

And so did Hamas. They're ready to be a strictly political organization, but Israel won't let them.

The unproductive Arab Palestinian nearly always base their lack of development on the "occupation." What they don't expound upon is that the "occupation" and the accompanying security containment and quarantine has been established and maintained (and grown tighter) because of the threat the Arab Palestinian presents to local and regional security.

That's bullshit! Total, 100% bullshit. The occupation and blockade are the cause of all the violence.

Had the Arab Palestinian concentrated on educational, economic and industrialization --- and the associated necessary improvement in infrastructure --- critical requirements to national prosperity --- then they would have seen a gradual reduction in the security containment and quarantine over the last quarter century.

You are so full of shit. They've made many gestures giving Israel everything it wants in negotiations and Israel hasn't lightened up at all. That's why I say, "**** it!" Let's send in the god-damn marines and force Israel to make concessions. If I was President, I'd tell Netanfuckyou, "Time is up! This is no longer your decision to make. You either leave on your own, or be forced to".

But the fact that the Arab Palestinian demonstrated a coup d'état level effort against the Jordanians (only trying to help them) and a terrorist and insurgency towards Israel (that was working towards normalized relations) --- choosing to invest their capital (monetary and political) in combative engagements, the cordon that wrapped around them only grew stronger (self strangulation).

End the occupation and there won't be combative engagements.

The Arab Palestinian need to pick themselves up and work towards building a better nation then starting a fight/conflict every time they have two cents to rub together. The world community is not going to continue to pay for the recover of their folly every two - to - three years when they skim donor contributions to buy more weapons, build more tunnels, and attack more civilian targets.

Why can't they have weapons? Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves?

Interesting. I hadn't heard that there was a critical street light issue.

It's not a critical issue. Hamas made some street improvements and the IDF came along a little later and shot out the lamps at the top.

Actually, Israel will --- eventually begin a gradual relaxation of the security containment and quarantine on the State of Palestine. They will do so at some risk to their own security and may pay a price. If, in the gradual relaxation of the containment and quarantine, the Jihadist and Fedayeen exploit the new conditions, it will demonstrate that the security containment and quarantine needs to be tightened, rather than loosened.

The "quarantine", is a war crime. It collectively punishes 1.5 million Gazans who have committed no crime.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

It is not name callers that decide they are terrorists, but nations that have teams of legal experts to settle the issue. So if the EU says that any Palestinian group that is aligned with a proven terrorist organisation is also terrorist who are we to argue.

Everybody has the right to their political opinions.

 

[Phoenall]

Edited out if you bother to look, the footage is disjointed and does not flow. There is no continuity as such and you see the same scene twice in many cases. I heard the command to turn around and the Palestinians refused, so the warning shots in the water were legal as they did not injure any of the fishermen.

What maritime law allows Israel to interfere with a boat sailing in its own territorial waters?

International Maritime Law when it is dealing with a nation at war. The Palestinians declared war on Israel so Israel have responded with a LEGAL BLOCKADE. If they don't like it then stop engaging in war with Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

Firing rockets at civilians and targeting children are acts of terrorism, they are not hostilities towards the occupation. If the Palestinians want to end the occupation then they need to work within the framework of the UN charter and International Law.

The Palestinian's aren't the ones in violation of over 200 UN resolutions, Israel is.

 

[Billo_Really]

International Maritime Law when it is dealing with a nation at war. The Palestinians declared war on Israel so Israel have responded with a LEGAL BLOCKADE. If they don't like it then stop engaging in war with Israel.

It's not a war, it's an occupation.

And you have no right telling others what they can or cannot do on their own property. You want to know just how wrong that is? Try and tell me what's what under my own roof and see what happens next.

 

[Phoenall]

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

It is not name callers that decide they are terrorists, but nations that have teams of legal experts to settle the issue. So if the EU says that any Palestinian group that is aligned with a proven terrorist organisation is also terrorist who are we to argue.

Everybody has the right to their political opinions.

True but they cant put them forward in such a way as to incite violence against one side. If they say that they are not terrorists and then go about targeting children and unarmed civilians in the hope that they will force their leaders to give in they will be seen as terrorists by all decent human beings.

 

[Phoenall]

Firing rockets at civilians and targeting children are acts of terrorism, they are not hostilities towards the occupation. If the Palestinians want to end the occupation then they need to work within the framework of the UN charter and International Law.

The Palestinian's aren't the ones in violation of over 200 UN resolutions, Israel is.

All brought by pro Palestinian factions and the vast majority vetoed by the US and UK because of the ISLAMONAZI JEW HATRED behind them.

 

[Billo_Really]

All brought by pro Palestinian factions and the vast majority vetoed by the US and UK because of the ISLAMONAZI JEW HATRED behind them.

Wrong. You don't even know any of them, yet you comment on them anyway. In 5 years, you're going to look back at yourself and see what I see now.

 

[Phoenall]

International Maritime Law when it is dealing with a nation at war. The Palestinians declared war on Israel so Israel have responded with a LEGAL BLOCKADE. If they don't like it then stop engaging in war with Israel.

It's not a war, it's an occupation.

And you have no right telling others what they can or cannot do on their own property. You want to know just how wrong that is? Try and tell me what's what under my own roof and see what happens next.

It is a war of the Palestinians making and rather than kill thousands of innocents as hamas wants Israel places gaza ubderf a blockade and the west bank under occupation. They could lift both and engage in a war of annihilation if you want, and flatten gaza in the process. Those are the options so decide which will best suit your political dogma, all out war that the Palestinians can never win or the status quo.

 

[ChrisL]

Firing rockets at civilians and targeting children are acts of terrorism, they are not hostilities towards the occupation. If the Palestinians want to end the occupation then they need to work within the framework of the UN charter and International Law.

The Palestinian's aren't the ones in violation of over 200 UN resolutions, Israel is.

All brought by pro Palestinian factions and the vast majority vetoed by the US and UK because of the ISLAMONAZI JEW HATRED behind them.

I agree. Can you imagine what it would be like if the Palestinians had control over that region? Israel offers the area at least some semblance of stability. As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say they are the ONLY country over there that is stable.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

It is not name callers that decide they are terrorists, but nations that have teams of legal experts to settle the issue. So if the EU says that any Palestinian group that is aligned with a proven terrorist organisation is also terrorist who are we to argue.

Everybody has the right to their political opinions.

True but they cant put them forward in such a way as to incite violence against one side. If they say that they are not terrorists and then go about targeting children and unarmed civilians in the hope that they will force their leaders to give in they will be seen as terrorists by all decent human beings.

Children killed since 2000
Israelis: 131
Palestinians: 1656
Remember These Children

Israel calling the Palestinians terrorists is like the coal mine calling kettle black.

 

[Phoenall]

All brought by pro Palestinian factions and the vast majority vetoed by the US and UK because of the ISLAMONAZI JEW HATRED behind them.

Wrong. You don't even know any of them, yet you comment on them anyway. In 5 years, you're going to look back at yourself and see what I see now.

So who brought the resolutions, list them and the initiating nation so we can see the evidence you seem so strongly in agreement. Remember that the security council is under the control of the ISLAMOINAZI's and they decide which resolutions are acted on.

Criticism of the United Nations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Phoenall]

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

It is not name callers that decide they are terrorists, but nations that have teams of legal experts to settle the issue. So if the EU says that any Palestinian group that is aligned with a proven terrorist organisation is also terrorist who are we to argue.

Everybody has the right to their political opinions.

True but they cant put them forward in such a way as to incite violence against one side. If they say that they are not terrorists and then go about targeting children and unarmed civilians in the hope that they will force their leaders to give in they will be seen as terrorists by all decent human beings.

Children killed since 2000
Israelis: 131
Palestinians: 1656
Remember These Children

Israel calling the Palestinians terrorists is like the coal mine calling kettle black.

Why the cut off date of 2000 leaving the many thousands of Jews killed by the arab muslims in the preceding 52 years out of the equation. Your duplicity and manipulations are noted and queried so time to man up and tell the truth.

Conflicts since 1950 with over 10,000 Fatalities (all figures rounded)*

1	40,000,000	Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, manmade famine, Gulag)
2	10,000,000	Soviet Bloc: late Stalinism, 1950-53; post-Stalinism, to 1987 (mostly Gulag)
3	4,000,000	Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides
4	3,800,000	Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present
5	2,800,000	Korean war, 1950-53
6	1,900,000	Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)
7	1,870,000	Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91
8	1,800,000	Vietnam War, 1954-75
9	1,800,000	Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001
10	1,250,000	West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)
11	1,100,000	Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
12	1,100,000	Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000) + after retreat of Portugal 1976-92
13	1,000,000	Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
14	900,000	Rwanda genocide, 1994
15	875,000	Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)
16	850,000	Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present
17	650,000	Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)
18	580,000	Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal's retreat (1972-2002)
19	500,000	Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999
20	430,000	Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)
21	400,000	Indochina: against France, 1945-54
22	400,000	Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)
23	400,000	Somalia, 1991-present
24	400,000	North Korea up to 2006 (own people)
25	300,000	Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1990s
26	300,000	Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
27	240,000	Colombia, 1946-58; 1964-present
28	200,000	Yugoslavia, Tito regime, 1944-80
29	200,000	Guatemala, 1960-96
30	190,000	Laos, 1975-90
31	175,000	Serbia against Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, 1991-1999
32	150,000	Romania, 1949-99 (own people)
33	150,000	Liberia, 1989-97
34	140,000	Russia against Chechnya, 1994-present
35	150,000	Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
36	140,000	Kuwait War, 1990-91
37	130,000	Philippines: 1946-54 (10,000); 1972-present (120,000)
38	130,000	Burma/Myanmar, 1948-present
39	100,000	North Yemen, 1962-70
40	100,000	Sierra Leone, 1991-present
41	100,000	Albania, 1945-91 (own people)
42	80,000	Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
43	75,000	Iraq, 2003-present (domestic)
44	75,000	El Salvador, 1975-92
45	70,000	Eritrea against Ethiopia, 1998-2000
46	68,000	Sri Lanka, 1997-present
47	60,000	Zimbabwe, 1966-79; 1980-present
48	60,000	Nicaragua, 1972-91 (Marxists/natives etc,)
49	51,000	Arab-Israeli conflict 1950-present
50	50,000	North Vietnam, 1954-75 (own people)
51	50,000	Tajikistan, 1992-96 (secularists against Islamists)
52	50,000	Equatorial Guinea, 1969-79
53	50,000	Peru, 1980-2000
54	50,000	Guinea, 1958-84
55	40,000	Chad, 1982-90
56	30,000	Bulgaria, 1948-89 (own people)
57	30,000	Rhodesia, 1972-79
58	30,000	Argentina, 1976-83 (own people)
59	27,000	Hungary, 1948-89 (own people)
60	26,000	Kashmir independence, 1989-present
61	25,000	Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
62	22,000	Poland, 1948-89 (own people)
63	20,000	Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
64	20,000	Chinese-Vietnamese war, 1979
65	19,000	Morocco: war against France, 1953-56 (3,000) and in Western Sahara, 1975-present (16,000)
66	18,000	Congo Republic, 1997-99
67	10,000	South Yemen, 1986 (civil war)

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

*Sources: Z. Brzezinski, Out of Control: Global Turmoil on the Eve of the Twenty-first Century, 1993; S. Courtois, Le Livre Noir du Communism, 1997; G. Heinsohn, Lexikon der Völkermorde, 1999, 2nd ed.; G. Heinsohn, Söhne und Weltmacht, 2006, 8th ed.; R. Rummel, Death by Government, 1994; M. Small and J.D. Singer, Resort to Arms: International and Civil Wars 1816-1980, 1982; M. White, "Death Tolls for the Major Wars and Atrocities of the Twentieth Century," 2003.

Here is a list of conflicts that shows the numbers killed since 1950, take a look at were the Israeli Palestinian conflict is

 

[Phoenall]

All brought by pro Palestinian factions and the vast majority vetoed by the US and UK because of the ISLAMONAZI JEW HATRED behind them.

Wrong. You don't even know any of them, yet you comment on them anyway. In 5 years, you're going to look back at yourself and see what I see now.

WRONG as I was you 20 years ago and then I saw the light, and at the same time I saw the muslims doing the same thing in the UK as they did in Palestine. So I did some research and saw the real problems, the RABID ANTI SEMITISM in the UN. The Jew hatred that is still widespread and the wishes of many people to see the Jews wiped out. The LIES believed by gullible left wing morons about the Jews and Israel that hide the real truth. The use of 2000 as a cut of date because before then the numbers of Jewish children massacred by Palestinians was much higher than the figures after.
As for the resolutions being anti semitic this might help you understand why many see it as so

Criticism of the United Nations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Issues relating to the state of Israel, the Palestinian people and other aspects of the Arab-Israeli conflict occupy a large amount of debate time, resolutions and resources at the United Nations. Critics such as Dore Gold, Alan Dershowitz, Mark Dreyfus, Robert S. Wistrich, Alan Keyes, and the Anti-Defamation League consider UN attention on Israel's treatment of Palestinians to be excessive.[24][25][26][27][28][29] According to Wistrich, "a third of all critical resolutions passed by [the UN] Human Rights Commission during the past forty years have been directed exclusively at Israel. By way of comparison, there has not been a single resolution even mentioning the massive violations of human rights in China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Syria, or Zimbabwe


The UN has been accused by Dershowitz, human rights activists Elie Wiesel, Anne Bayefsky, and Bayard Rustin, historian Robert S. Wistrich, and feminists Phyllis Chesler and Sonia Johnson of tolerating antisemitic remarks within its walls.[24][27][34][35] Israeli delegates to the UN "have been treated to a sickening litany of anti-Semitic abuse at the General Assembly, in the UN Human Rights Commission, and sometimes even in the Security Council" for decades.[24]
UN conferences throughout the 1970s and into the 1980s often passed resolutions denouncing Zionism. These conferences often did not have anything to do with Middle East politics. UN documents of the period denied the existence of the Jewish people, the history of ancient Israel, the Holocaust, and the notion that Jews deserve the same rights granted to other groups.[36] Wistrich described the 1980 World Conference of the United Nations Decade for Women in Copenhagen in his book, A Lethal Obsession:
"Jewish feminists heard truly chilling comments, such as 'The only good Jew is a dead Jew' and 'The only way to rid the world of Zionism is to kill all the Jews.' One eye-witness overheard other delegates saying that the American women's movement had a bad name because its most prominent founding figures ... were all Jewish. The feminist activist Sonia Johnson described the anti-Semitism at the Copenhagen conference as 'over, wild, and irrational.' ... The psychologist and author Phyllis Chesler recorded the savage response when one Jewish woman mentioned that her husband had been shot without a trial in Iraq and that she had to escape to Israel with her children. The place went wild: 'Cuba si! Yankee no! PLO! PLO!' they shouted. 'Israel kills babies and women. Israel must die.'"[24]
The most infamous example of this trend was the passage of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379, which equated Zionism with racism, on November 10, 1975. It was the first postwar ideology to ever be condemned in the United Nations' history. The resolution was internationally condemned in the media (especially in the media of Western countries). Many observers noted that the resolution was passed on the thirty-seventh anniversary of Kristallnacht, the pogrom historians agree marked the beginning of the Holocaust.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You know, that is a good question.

There is little question that much of the Western World clearly did not understand why the Arab Palestinian people might vote for a known terrorist organization for its leadership. Conversely, the Arab Palestinian clearly did not understand the consequences of accepting and supporting a terrorist organization.

Can you name some Palestinian parties who are not considered terrorists by the third grade name callers?

(COMMENT)

It is rather difficult to identify an organized group in the set of Arab Palestinians that don't actually support Jihadist concepts.

I don't know which Palestinian parties are non-Hostile (if any). I would think there must be a couple.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, it seems that most are hostile to the occupation.

So the occupation and it toadies call them terrorists.

Because they have partaken in many terrorist activities.