Crystalclear
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Israel could have flattened Gaza in a day. That did not happen. You leave out the part where the IDF tries to evacuate people and where Hamas fires rockets from schools and hospitals.
Israel says Gaza war cost military $2.5 bn
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Palestinians are getting massacres every day?
Wow, you're more full of shit than I thought.
Are you doing your Muslim suty by spreading lies abiut Israel?
Challenger
Gold Member
youch said:
My use of the term Zionist is purely descriptive as this so called “Jewish and democratic state” was founded by and is largely inhabited by either ardent Zionists or those who passively subscribe to Zionist ideology.
Bigotry? Perhaps; I am, like most reasonable human beings, inherently predisposed towards being intolerant towards those who routinely imprison, torture and murder another people because they are of a different religion or ethnicity.
youch said:
Ouch, you got me, I forgot to multiply by 100
(checks to see if civilization has collapsed and they sky has fallen down) but you are right, my mathematical faux-pas is as unimportant as it is irrelevant.The important point is that only a tiny fraction of the projectiles fired from Gaza fall anywhere close to military targets or population centres.
The world/land/region is not “constantly bombarded” with rockets, this is just a myth propagated by the Zionists for the gullible. Rockets or mortars are normally shot off only after some form of provocation by the Zionist colonisers. When they want to test a new weapon or do some “live fire “exercises, they “poke the monkey cage” until some Palestinian’s patience snaps and they set of a few projectiles in the general direction of enemy territory (that have a 7.5% chance of hitting anything other than sand or rocks). The Zionists were taught this tactic by none other than Orde Wingate and his Special Night Squads in the 1930’s. A small unit would drive through a targeted Palestinian village late at night and shoot it up; this would provoke a retaliatory response against a Jewish settlement. This later attack would be heavily publicised and used to justify a major attack against the targeted Palestinian village.
The justification is simple, just look up the Maquis, or the AK, or any of the myriad of other resistance movements against the Nazi Occupation in Europe during WW2. Every people have a fundamental right to resist oppression and occupation by whatever means they have at their disposal.
The ancient inhabitants of Jerusalem are long dead and so is the temple cult that controlled them. Interesting you mentioned that as Temple Judaism was mainly centred on that city and the Judean hills; there is no evidence that Temple Judaism was ever a universal or official religion in historical Palestine.
Colonisation? Palestine was colonised by Jewish Europeans, but you know that anyway. I regret the embarrassment you feel Mr Spock, but you are right, knowing the truth is dangerous.
RoccoR
Gold Member
Indofred, et al,
There is a certain unreasonableness to this logic.
First:
Second:
While the pro-Gaza/HAMAS elements in the western world might see Israel and the Arab-Palestinian propaganda in a different light, the Arab world sees it through the eyes of the Arab.
Most Respectfully,
R
There is a certain unreasonableness to this logic.
(COMMENT)
First:
In the initiation and conduct of War-like activity (eg HAMAS firing rockets and mortars, infiltrations and kidnappings, armed attacks, etc, into the sovereignty of another nation --- Israel) there is ---- inherent to this dangerous activity --- in which HAMAS was participating at the time casualties were inflicted, an express assumption of risk. And in this assumption of risk, there is NO exemption from liability for the operators of these various dangerous activity. HAMAS cannot be absolved of liability in the aftermath of its reckless conduct if Israel follows the Israel takes all reasonable measures to follow the Customary International Humanitarian Law (IHL).
There is no such thing as fighting a war, and being absolved of the risk inherent in fighting the war. If you don't want to suffer the risk, you don't open hostilities.
There is no such thing as fighting a war, and being absolved of the risk inherent in fighting the war. If you don't want to suffer the risk, you don't open hostilities.
Second:
It is well known to HAMAS, that it is Customary Law condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression;
It is well known to HAMAS and the People of Gaza that the UN has moved to criminalize the willful provision or collection, by any means, directly or indirectly, of funds by their nationals or in their territories with the intention that the funds should be used, or in the knowledge that they are to be used, in order to carry out terrorist acts; providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists;
It is well known to the People of Gaza that HAMAS, a number of it associate element and affiliations are designated as terrorist organizations;
It is well known to the People of Gaza that they should:
It is well known to HAMAS and the People of Gaza that the UN has moved to criminalize the willful provision or collection, by any means, directly or indirectly, of funds by their nationals or in their territories with the intention that the funds should be used, or in the knowledge that they are to be used, in order to carry out terrorist acts; providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists;
It is well known to the People of Gaza that HAMAS, a number of it associate element and affiliations are designated as terrorist organizations;
It is well known to the People of Gaza that they should:
- Take the necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist acts, including by provision of early warning to other States by exchange of information;
- Deny safe haven to those who finance, plan, support, or commit terrorist acts, or provide safe havens;
It is well known to the People of Gaza that to do otherwise is inherently dangerous.
When you say "civilized" --- and attempt to blame Israel for the deaths --- you are making the argument that the Hostile Arab Palestinians are absolved of all wrong doing and therefore are the victims of some negligent action on the part of Israel. It is exactly the opposite. HAMAS has a responsibility to act in the best interest of its people; defending its sovereignty and citizens from harm. It does not have the inherent right to open a Jihad (Holy War). Instead --- HAMAS --- demonstrated a depraved indifference to the consequences that could reasonably be expected to follow the initiation and conduct of War-like activity.
SAUDI KING PUBLICLY BLAMES HAMAS FOR GAZA WAR
In a stunning five minute statement read on state television late Friday, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, leader of Israel’s oldest and most implacable foe, called the Hamas-Israel war in Gaza a “collective massacre” caused by Hamas. (Breitbart: by THOMAS ROSE 2 Aug 2014)
While the pro-Gaza/HAMAS elements in the western world might see Israel and the Arab-Palestinian propaganda in a different light, the Arab world sees it through the eyes of the Arab.
Most Respectfully,
R
Maybe they should sue hamas for the money in International courts, and then get legal backing for withholding funds from the palestinians
More goes to Saudi if you bother to look, closely followed by other ISLAMONAZI countries. How much does an F16 cost, and why does Saudi have 10, and the fully trained pilots to fly them at Americas expence
Because it would only take one to land on a school and there would be many dead children, that would result in many more dead Palestinians for this act of war
And you would be wrong as Israel pays back more than it receives, you are aware that the majority is in the form of loans that carry interest and have to be paid back.
You do realise don't you that the Palestinians have ethnically cleansed 10% of their population because they are Christians don't you. Of these half have been murdered by the likes of hamas in the name of allah. so who is it killing Christian children again ?
Maybe they should be sending out hit squads to take out ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS in the USA and setting it up so it looks like a home made bomb exploded in their faces...............
RoccoR
Gold Member
et al,
I thought this was interesting.
Just as a side note:
Hamas Terrorists Admit To Using Human Shield, Launching Rockets From School Playgrounds - IDF Reports [Video]
Report: Over a Dozen Hamas Terrorists Admit to Use of Hospitals, Kindergartens and Mosques for Military Activity
A number of Hamas operatives who were arrested and detained by Israel during Operation Protective Edge admitted to the use of civilian establishments, such as mosques, schools and hospitals, as covers for terrorist …The Algemeiner · 8/26/2014
Most Respectfully,
R
I thought this was interesting.
Just as a side note:
Hamas Terrorists Admit To Using Human Shield, Launching Rockets From School Playgrounds - IDF Reports [Video]
Hamas terrorists admitted to using human shield by using mosques and hospitals as hiding places and building tunnels near school playground. The confession came as dozens of Hamas terrorists were interrogated by the Israel Security Agency or ISA as part of its Operation Protective Edge.
Terrorist Abd Al-Rahman Ba'aloosha confessed that Hamas convene its fighters in key mosques after building a bunker underneath. One terrorist had shared that he was recruited during a meeting held inside the underground bunkers.
Two other terrorists, Afif and Ahmed Jarrah, made the chilling revelation that Hamas had built an attack tunnel within a school playground - from which rockets were being launched. A similar tunnel was also built within hospital premises. As part of its plan, these tunnels shall serve as holding place for kidnapped IDF soldiers.
Samir Abu Luli, another terrorist interrogated by ISF, divulged that Hamas' police officers were deployed in the Al-Najar Hospital of Rafah. They act as bodyguards for operatives of Hamas andPalestinian Islamic Jihad hiding inside. Nafez Shaluf, one of the terrorists, said Hamas usually hurled sick patients out in the streets.
SOURCE: International Business Times (Australia) By Athena Yenko | September 5, 2014 Terrorist Abd Al-Rahman Ba'aloosha confessed that Hamas convene its fighters in key mosques after building a bunker underneath. One terrorist had shared that he was recruited during a meeting held inside the underground bunkers.
Two other terrorists, Afif and Ahmed Jarrah, made the chilling revelation that Hamas had built an attack tunnel within a school playground - from which rockets were being launched. A similar tunnel was also built within hospital premises. As part of its plan, these tunnels shall serve as holding place for kidnapped IDF soldiers.
Samir Abu Luli, another terrorist interrogated by ISF, divulged that Hamas' police officers were deployed in the Al-Najar Hospital of Rafah. They act as bodyguards for operatives of Hamas andPalestinian Islamic Jihad hiding inside. Nafez Shaluf, one of the terrorists, said Hamas usually hurled sick patients out in the streets.
Report: Over a Dozen Hamas Terrorists Admit to Use of Hospitals, Kindergartens and Mosques for Military Activity
A number of Hamas operatives who were arrested and detained by Israel during Operation Protective Edge admitted to the use of civilian establishments, such as mosques, schools and hospitals, as covers for terrorist …The Algemeiner · 8/26/2014
Most Respectfully,
R
Get it right in retaliation for terrorist attacks against Israeli children that are in breach of International law and the Geneva conventions. So the UN should be looking at cutting funding to UNRWA and giving the money to Israel.
It cost the American taxpayer nothing and it is the muslim in the white house that has made the American Vets homeless not Israel.
Maybe we could buy some of those ww2 freighters and drop then on gaza to house the homeless..............
According to their DNA they are, it is the arab muslims pretending to be Palestinians that aren't Semitic
But one of the lowest job prospects in the whole world, because the diplomas are worthless outside Palestine.
youch said:
My use of the term Zionist is purely descriptive as this so called “Jewish and democratic state” was founded by and is largely inhabited by either ardent Zionists or those who passively subscribe to Zionist ideology.
Bigotry? Perhaps; I am, like most reasonable human beings, inherently predisposed towards being intolerant towards those who routinely imprison, torture and murder another people because they are of a different religion or ethnicity.
youch said:
Ouch, you got me, I forgot to multiply by 100
The important point is that only a tiny fraction of the projectiles fired from Gaza fall anywhere close to military targets or population centres.
The world/land/region is not “constantly bombarded” with rockets, this is just a myth propagated by the Zionists for the gullible. Rockets or mortars are normally shot off only after some form of provocation by the Zionist colonisers. When they want to test a new weapon or do some “live fire “exercises, they “poke the monkey cage” until some Palestinian’s patience snaps and they set of a few projectiles in the general direction of enemy territory (that have a 7.5% chance of hitting anything other than sand or rocks). The Zionists were taught this tactic by none other than Orde Wingate and his Special Night Squads in the 1930’s. A small unit would drive through a targeted Palestinian village late at night and shoot it up; this would provoke a retaliatory response against a Jewish settlement. This later attack would be heavily publicised and used to justify a major attack against the targeted Palestinian village.
The justification is simple, just look up the Maquis, or the AK, or any of the myriad of other resistance movements against the Nazi Occupation in Europe during WW2. Every people have a fundamental right to resist oppression and occupation by whatever means they have at their disposal.
The ancient inhabitants of Jerusalem are long dead and so is the temple cult that controlled them. Interesting you mentioned that as Temple Judaism was mainly centred on that city and the Judean hills; there is no evidence that Temple Judaism was ever a universal or official religion in historical Palestine.
Colonisation? Palestine was colonised by Jewish Europeans, but you know that anyway. I regret the embarrassment you feel Mr Spock, but you are right, knowing the truth is dangerous.
That is what gets you ISLAMONAZIS isn't it, that the LoN GAVE the land they legally owned to the Jews as their NEW NATIONAL HOME. That the JEWS were SO MUCH BETTER than you could ever be. This has been proven time and time again when you ISLAMONAZIS have attacked the Jews and been soundly beaten. Now the world including Islamic nations is seeing the true Palestinians and are turning against them, the recent exposure of ILLEGAL USE OF CIVILIANS, TARGETTING ISRAELI CHILDREN AND USING UN STRUCTURES has made hamas and Palestine nasty words. Knowing the truth has opened a lot of eyes and shown just how evil and twisted arab muslims can be.
jillian
Princess
*yawn* yes, they should have let the loser terrorist scum continue to send missiles into Israel and go through the tunnels.
worth every penny.
A major VICTORY for Hamas! Over 2000 dead Palestinians, much of Gaza in ruins & no big Palestinian demands granted by Israel. Keep them rocket missiles comin'.
jillian
Princess
yah. it's amazing what they call victory. but I don't think this one worked out so well for the pals.
fanger
Gold Member
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NO aid goes to Saudi Arabia if they have F16 it's because they paid for them
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